E-mount lenses: not suitable for video?

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I bought the nex 5n not only as a more portable camera but also as a video camera (the DSLR I'm using is not capable of shooting video).

The lenses I currently have are 18-55, 16 2.8 and 30 3.5, and all of them have a very long focus ring travel, which makes it extremely difficult to produce 'defocus to focus' effects in videos
Maybe video was not taken into account when the lenses were designed?
 
the 18-200mm lens is specifically from the vg camcorder and totally designed for video and 1 more reason why to get one especially if you want to do lots of video.
 
I bought the nex 5n not only as a more portable camera but also as a video camera (the DSLR I'm using is not capable of shooting video).

The lenses I currently have are 18-55, 16 2.8 and 30 3.5, and all of them have a very long focus ring travel, which makes it extremely difficult to produce 'defocus to focus' effects in videos
Maybe video was not taken into account when the lenses were designed?
Actually, they "sort of" were designed for video... but not all of them really... Sony has 3 video cameras that utilize the E mount: FS100, VG10, VG20.

The thing is, though, all three of them come with the Sony E 18-200mm OSS lens in kit form. So, you may find that the SEL18200 is what you need, but you may also have a different problem. All Sony E lenses are focus-by-wire lenses, which means that when you turn the focus ring, the camera's firmware is more than likely what decides where the focus gear ends up. It's possible that the NEX still image cameras require more turn to allow for finer control of focus than is required for video work, since video work generally utilizes a larger DoF than photo work.

I'd suggest asking a local dealer if they would let you test out the SEL18200 in-store to see if it gives you faster control of focus than the other lenses do. If you get a chance to test it out, let us know what you find out. It might be something that you could ask the Sony firmware people to implement: a setting to control the distance you have to turn the focus ring to go from minimum focus distance to infinity.
 
First of all no camera is good for every use. There are different cameras for different uses. And actually making it good for one use, can make it bad for other uses. A Leica is a great camera, but not for everything. It is not for telephoto shots, for birds, for nature (unless it is landscapes), for sports, etc. You can use it for that, but we must recognize that there are better tools for a lot less for those tasks.

With video the same thing happens. There are many kind of video users. There are the ones that want to record their children play at school and want it to be quick to focus, and want it to last for an hour (that it lasts for the play). Others want to make the occasional video with friends. Others use it for documentaries (Have you seen the one of the Viennese coffee shops with the nex?) and then there is people that want to make a short artistic film. With focus changing from one subject to the other in very smooth ways, etc.

So, depending on what kind of video you want to shoot, there are different choices. But we can group them in two big classes. That needs AF or that needs precise manual focus. OF course you could ask for one that has both, but again we are trying to do everything and end up doing nothing right. So I would recommend those two groups.

For AF, the 18-200. It is the best. IT is the lens in the video cameras by sony. IT wont be that great with manual focus, but it is great with auto focus.

For manual focus, there are a lot of options. Get a good manual focus lens. A fast 50mm is great for close shots, or two people talking and changing focus from one to the other. Here there are a lot of tools and tips and tricks to make this easier. For instance, use a tripod, and mark the distances that you need to focus in the barrel (with something that you can erase of course). Then it is easier to change from one focus to the next, you can do it with your hand, and go to the next mark. There are other tricks like using a rubber band to get a more smooth change of focus, etc.

So basically, you need to know what you want to film and decide on the right lens for it. The nex5n and 7 are great for that because of the complete manual control (the old versions didn't have it), so I recommend you doing some investigation and also deciding exactly what is you need/want. And don't expect a 1 solution that fits all problems. That doesn't exist. Not even in the most expensive camera that you can buy.

Ti@go.
I bought the nex 5n not only as a more portable camera but also as a video camera (the DSLR I'm using is not capable of shooting video).

The lenses I currently have are 18-55, 16 2.8 and 30 3.5, and all of them have a very long focus ring travel, which makes it extremely difficult to produce 'defocus to focus' effects in videos
Maybe video was not taken into account when the lenses were designed?
 
Great post. Btw, what video is that? Do you have a link? Would like to see that =)
[...] Others use it for documentaries (Have you seen the one of the Viennese coffee shops with the nex?) and then...
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Proud Sony NEX 5 user =D
 
how do you use follow focus w the kit lens? this is what you use right?
 
N0BOX wrote:
Actually, they "sort of" were designed for video... but not all of them really... Sony has 3 video cameras that utilize the E mount: FS100, VG10, VG20.
It doesn't change the thrust of your point, but for the record Sony currently sells the FS100 and the FS700, both professional cameras with body-only selling for thousands, the EA50, a mid-level professional video camera, the VG30 (replaced the 10 & 20) a mid level consumer e-mount video body, and the VG900 -- a unique, 'Full-Frame' video body that uses the e-mount and is priced at the high end of consumer offerings.



My point is simply this -- Sony makes more video cameras than still cameras with the e-mount; Sony makes a Full Frame e-mount video camera,

Cheers,
GB
 
I bought the nex 5n not only as a more portable camera but also as a video camera (the DSLR I'm using is not capable of shooting video).

The lenses I currently have are 18-55, 16 2.8 and 30 3.5, and all of them have a very long focus ring travel, which makes it extremely difficult to produce 'defocus to focus' effects in videos
Maybe video was not taken into account when the lenses were designed?
I use primarily the 24 1.8 and 50 1.8 on the nex 7 for short films all the time:


I agree with you on defocus to focus issue. I stopped doing that because the fly by wire focus doesn't work well enough in the emount to date.
 
D Cox wrote:
davect01 wrote:

I have said this before, the NEX takes superb video's under the right conditions.

Zooming is not one of them.
I don't shoot video, so I may be wrong, but I was always told you should never zoom during a shot. The zoom lens is to allow precise framing, like the pan and tilt on the tripod.
I've shot and directed video for the last twenty five years for corporate & television -- zooming while recording is something done very sparingly, most often as a 'creep' zoom to slowly change the framing to heighten the intensity of an interview, for example. Frankly now it is easier to do that sort of modest reframing in post, and so even creep zooms are seldom used.



It's also true that in corporate and television work, 'autofocus' is almost unknown. Full size professional cameras don't even offer AF -- and most cameramen using a modern modest camera that offers AF will probably have it turned off during shooting, along with the autoexposure.



But the requirements of the more casual video shooter -- not to mention the specialized requirements of certain types of video shooter (weddings perhaps, some types of run & gun documentary) may prefer to risk the intrusion of autofocus hunting and autoexposure changes over the loss of a one time shot. My own use of both is negligible -- I prefer to use legacy lenses for video, as the direct linkage makes 'rack focus' (deliberate transition from in to out of focus or reverse), and will always use locked exposure. That said, OSS is a terrific benefit not found on full size pro cameras, and a feature I do take advantage of when the shot requires it. Ironically, I seldom use that feature in shooting stills!

Cheers,
GB
 
proxy wrote:

how do you use follow focus w the kit lens? this is what you use right?
you put a rubber o ring around the spur gear. works fine, except that it eventually pushes the lens and body away a bit after a while and needs to be readjusted again. not a perfect solution, but works.

tyson
 

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