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I've seen some wonderful images taken with the X-10 here, and I really tried to learn to love this camera and figure out its numerous quirks. The form factor, the looks, and the manual zoom are fantastic. However, the orbs published, and the ones I've seen in real life are just not excusable to me in a $600 piece of kit. I'm sending it back as the Amazon return window is closing in a week or so. I'll keep a keen eye on the forums to see what Fuji is able to do in firmware to address the issue. With my luck the firmware will come out the day after UPS comes to pick up my package.

I remain frustrated that they could release a camera with an issue so obvious that it shows up in full auto in the very first picture snapped of the tree on Christmas morning. Surely they didn't think people wanted hole-punched images ?

In the mean time, back to looking at cameras. Does anyone have a sense of how the Olympus Pen E3 with the kit zoom would stack up in terms of 'coat-pocketability' if that's a word ?

Good luck to all who love their cameras - it just didn't work for me.
 
try out camerasize.com and compare them it gives a reasonable look at the cameras size when you click on magnify and set your screen size
 
DonRieck said:
I've seen some wonderful images taken with the X-10 here, and I really tried to learn to love this camera and figure out its numerous quirks. The form factor, the looks, and the manual zoom are fantastic. However, the orbs published, and the ones I've seen in real life are just not excusable to me in a $600 piece of kit. I'm sending it back as the Amazon return window is closing in a week or so. I'll keep a keen eye on the forums to see what Fuji is able to do in firmware to address the issue. With my luck the firmware will come out the day after UPS comes to pick up my package.

I remain frustrated that they could release a camera with an issue so obvious that it shows up in full auto in the very first picture snapped of the tree on Christmas morning. Surely they didn't think people wanted hole-punched images ?

In the mean time, back to looking at cameras. Does anyone have a sense of how the Olympus Pen E3 with the kit zoom would stack up in terms of 'coat-pocketability' if that's a word ?

Good luck to all who love their cameras - it just didn't work for me.
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Good for you! Your actions send a loud and clear message to Fujifilm that their defective product is not worth $600 . For everyone who takes the time to post their miserable experience, there are several dozen more who just silently ship their defective camera back. You are not alone.

Cue rabid drooling fan boy response......3.......2.......1......

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rattymouse said:
PAUL TILL said:
FujiFilm must have thousands of refurbished X10's sitting in their repair centres.
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What makes you think they are going to repair them??
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Fuji have told me that all returns get fully checked over and any faulty component replaced before being re-sold as refubs or shipped back out to dealers as "new". ;)

Or are you implying they just throw them in the bin (were they belong) ?

Paul.

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PAUL TILL said:
rattymouse said:
PAUL TILL said:
FujiFilm must have thousands of refurbished X10's sitting in their repair centres.
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What makes you think they are going to repair them??
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Fuji have told me that all returns get fully checked over and any faulty component replaced before being re-sold as refubs or shipped back out to dealers as "new". ;)
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So there are non blooming FUJI CMOS sensors to be had then?

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rattymouse said:
PAUL TILL said:
rattymouse said:
PAUL TILL said:
FujiFilm must have thousands of refurbished X10's sitting in their repair centres.
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What makes you think they are going to repair them??
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Fuji have told me that all returns get fully checked over and any faulty component replaced before being re-sold as refubs or shipped back out to dealers as "new". ;)
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So there are non blooming FUJI CMOS sensors to be had then?
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One day. ;)

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DonRieck said:
In the mean time, back to looking at cameras. Does anyone have a sense of how the Olympus Pen E3 with the kit zoom would stack up in terms of 'coat-pocketability' if that's a word ?
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I had the E-P1 and E-P2. They fit in the pocket of a coat, better without the viewfinder. The Sony NEX C3 and 5n fit just as easily and, in my opinion, their IQ is MUCH better.

Enrique
 
DonRieck said:
In the mean time, back to looking at cameras. Does anyone have a sense of how the Olympus Pen E3 with the kit zoom would stack up in terms of 'coat-pocketability' if that's a word ?
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If it's a big coat. My brother in law has the Olympus. I am currently shooting a Panasonic GX1. With the zoom lens I would not put it in my pocket. With the pancake lens you can, so it's worth getting the dual lens kit.

The lenses are fairly slow compared with the X10, but you can push the ISO a bit more than with the Fuji due to the larger sensor size. The 20mm f1.7 pancake is nice and fast, but no zoom.

Just another compromise. but NO ORBS, and more reliable flare handling in general.

Also, you ARE getting 16mp. Not sometimes 6 mp.

Then again, I suspect when the new Canon comes out I will sell ALL my point and shoots and replace with that.

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Well, I've just placed an order for an Olympus XZ-1. Many compromises (seems that's all camera buying is is sorting out compromises), but it's $200 cheaper than the X-10, full time 10 MP, and has an option for an EVF that brings the total price comparable to the X-10. I already have a nice Canon and some good glass, and am really looking for a take-everywhere travel cam that will fit in a pocket or my messenger bag. Reviews seem good, and the sample pics I've found on the web seem good. Much worse high ISO performance in jpgs, but it seems like it cleans up nicely in RAW.

We'll try it out and see.

And I do agree that part of my decision was to send a message to Fuji that releasing a camera with an obvious and in my experience serious flaw is just not right. They nailed the looks, but forgot about the images that every day shooters are going to see.
 
Small and better than m43 cameras.
Better high ISO, better DR...
Or just wait to see what Olympus OMD has to offer.
 
Small body, HUGE lens, at least if you really want to match real DSLR quality.

I looked seriously at the NEX series, but their current lenses aren't much. Which means using legacy lenses.

I already find my Canon 60D, on the end of a big, good, lens, too small.

Micro Four Thirds at least combines small lenses with smaller body.

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“There is only you and your camera. The limitations in your photography are in yourself, for what we see is what we are.” Ernst Haas

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rattymouse said:
aeneon said:
rattymouse said:
So there are non blooming FUJI CMOS sensors to be had then?

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http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
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Dont be silly ratty , Fuji dont make them. :)
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Well Paul said Fuji is repairing the X10's so they must have something to replace the defective sensor with. Perhaps they are buying some Sony sensors and putting them in?
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You never know but its likely another bloomer :(

Anyway , glad you are on the mend and back in the forum :)

and how about a new Fujifilm slogan .

"The X series of Digital Cameras - They're Blooming good"

Orber yours soon before they disappear in a flash"
 
Attempting a helpful answer without getting dumped on by orb haters: I really liked the EP3 but sold all (an upgrade from EPL2 w several lenses) when I realized one could never have the one perfect lenses with you and the best (12/45) were very expensive.

My X10 gives me a indoor low light and a outdoor range in one camera that is always with me. Pluses are image quality (orbs not a issue), zoom ring, optical viewfinder, classic feel/quality and panorama mode. The EXR modes are fussy but I think about them like changing a lenses to suit low light or outdoor zoom.

That said, I think the Canon G1X would be a excellent choice. It will have better image quality (possibly one stop indoors and two stop outdoors despite the slower lens) and have a higher resolution vari-angle LCD. It's not much larger but, in my opinion, doesn't win any style points. The poor macro performance of the larger sensor is a issue but can be mitigated by adding a closeup lens "filter".

Any choice is going to be a compromise. Pick one and just have fun, life is too short to be frustrated with what a camera can't do!
 
echorower said:
That said, I think the Canon G1X would be a excellent choice. It will have better image quality (possibly one stop indoors and two stop outdoors despite the slower lens) and have a higher resolution vari-angle LCD. It's not much larger but, in my opinion, doesn't win any style points. The poor macro performance of the larger sensor is a issue but can be mitigated by adding a closeup lens "filter".
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As someone else said "I have always had a problem guessing how the camera looks when I examine the photographs."

All I care about, ultimately, is IQ.

I am really looking forward to the G1X, although the video samples I've seen are iffy.

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“There is only you and your camera. The limitations in your photography are in yourself, for what we see is what we are.” Ernst Haas

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