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After a good deal of reading, I decided to work towards purchasing the X100, but soon after making the decision I heard about the Fuji ILC and decided to wait it out. So now I have been reading a lot about the soon to be released, X-Pro 1.

I have had several things that have prevented me from deciding on either of the two. My first choice would be the XP1 but it has yet to even be reviewed and will probably have a list of people waiting for them when they do finally hit the market. And even more important is the price tag!

I mainly use my 5DMKII for all of my paid jobs and the 7D is there for backup. My two options or so it seems are as follows. I can keep the 7D (I forgot to mention that I sometimes shoot music videos with the 5D) as a backup and go for the X100 and a few accessories (The new Limited Edition version is tempting). OR I can sell the 7D and buy the X-Pro1 and the 35mm lens. The 18mm is tempting but I'm not completely sold on that one. I shoot a lot with a 50mm on my 5DMKII so i am used to that. I use a 28mm on my 7D which is very close to 35mm and I love that as well.

I mainly shoot for my school newspaper. I have also shot a lot of automobiles and car audio. Sometimes I shoot models, bands & musicians...

I do use the 7D if I ever need to shoot sports but I do not really like sports photography. I also take it out when I do anything in the street or in places where I might run into shady characters who look at such items as a meal ticket...

X-Pro1
PROS:
Future lens options
A good backup to the 5D in most situations
Hi ISOs

CONS:
A bit big. I kind of wanted something more jacket-pocketable.
Would most likely need to sell my 7D
Video probably doesn't compare to 7D
expensive
possible wait after initial release

X100
PROS:
Cheaper by the day
Keep 7D
Jacket-pocketable
silent
Looks Great!
Available now

CONS:
Will forever be scared of the dreaded SAB (has it been fixed in new models?)
No room to upgrade lenses
will always secretly desire the X-Pro1

Anyone have any suggestions for me?

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loo k for me its simple go and buy the X100 and keep your other cameras, at least you know its slow but you don't have to change lenses and that makes that little snap just a bit quicker.

For portrait the X100 is very good but I think both X are just to slow for what you need it for in general.
Your choice :-)
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Siggi
 
So hard to know what to say. I shoot with a 5D2 for my professional work and have two backup bodies. I also have n X100 which is "my" camera for fun. I have done one "fun" shoot with a model outdoors with it a few days ago.

For studio work if you had a problem with the 5D2 it would be odd to switch to the X100, or even the XP1 for me. When shooting glamor I tend to mix a lot of headshots in with the full-length shots and so would miss the zoom.

For my own personal photography I don't care if I never see a zoom lens again.

What I'm trying to say is that, for me, the rangefinder style of shooting is quite divorced from my paid work.

have you ever shot with a rangefinder/rangefinder style camera before? It's quite a different style of shooting, for me at least.
 
Gary CG said:
have you ever shot with a rangefinder/rangefinder style camera before? It's quite a different style of shooting, for me at least.
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I have an old Kodak Retina IIIc and a Rollei RF35 but both are film cameras that I rarely ever use. They are fun for street stuff.

My DSLRs are my workhorses. They have become less fun because they are so big and heavy.

I do so much work that is just reportage and in the line of journalism though and a smaller camera could work well for those situations, I think.

However I am leaning towards just grabbing the XP1 and keeping my DSLRs. I'll just have to live frugally for a while....

The X100 is nice (to me it looks better than the XP1, cosmetically) but I am scared that Fuji has not gotten the sticky shutter thing under control. If they would just make a statement about it so people like me could feel better, I would be willing to risk it.
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Cyclopedia Brown said:
X-Pro1
CONS:
possible wait after initial release
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Cyclopedia Brown said:
X100
PROS:
Available now
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Cyclopedia Brown said:
Anyone have any suggestions for me?
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Well, it could be 3 or 4 months for the X-pro1 to be available -- in the meantime grab an X100 and see how it works for you. You can sell it in two months and figure the 100-200 loss as a 'rental' fee. (I would buy new to get a full warranty).

Of course to really confuse things, throw a Nex 7 into the mix . . .

I have a 5dII and a Nex 7 on order - I might pre-order the X-pro1 and go with that depending on how it works with rangefinder glass. I have an M9 which is a perfect travel camera - except rangefinder calibration is not right with all my lenses. Works great with 15mm/24mm/35mm 's the 50/1 has too much focus shift to be useful, my 75/1.4 is useable, but my 90/2.8 back-focuses. A second body (nex or fuji) could make the M9 kit much more usable. Would consider selling the M9 when more wides come available for aps-c cameras.
 
f_stops said:
Well, it could be 3 or 4 months for the X-pro1 to be available -- in the meantime grab an X100 and see how it works for you. You can sell it in two months and figure the 100-200 loss as a 'rental' fee. (I would buy new to get a full warranty).
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I have been reading that due to the release of the X-Pro 1 and the SAB issue that has been a problem with a few X100 units that the resale value of the X100 is falling fast.
f_stops said:
Of course to really confuse things, throw a Nex 7 into the mix . . .
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I'm not really interested in the Nex7 for whatever reason.... Just not a Sony fan I guess.

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I think you should wait until the X-Pro 1 comes out for two reasons:

First, you want to wait objective reviews after the initial honeymoon phase is over (as obviously seen with the X100). Even the first wave of reviewed are likely to be optimistic, it's until much later people pointing out AF issue, sticky leaf blades, slow write..etc

Second, once X-Pro 1 is out, it probably means a wave of barely used X100 will flood the used gear market. You can probably grab one alot cheaper.

Either way, it's only a few month wait. The price of 7D won't change even past then.
 
The 7D is an action and sport cameras.
The fuji X1 pro is not
And the 5dmk2 is in the middle
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I love the crop factor at the long end, I hate it in the wide range
 
Powerdoc said:
The 7D is an action and sport cameras.
The fuji X1 pro is not
And the 5dmk2 is in the middle
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I love the crop factor at the long end, I hate it in the wide range
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I understand that and have used the 7D at many college football games, however, I am not a sports photographer and I dislike shooting sports so it is not a determining factor for me.

I realize that the X-Pro1 will not do many of the things that the 7D excels in doing. Moreover the 7D would not need a whole new set of lenses to use in concert with the 5D2.

These are all things that I am very much aware of. What I was hoping to hear was what people thought of either buying the X100 and keeping the 7D versus selling the 7D and going for the new X-Pro1.

Buying an X100 is very tempting since it allows me to keep my 7D, but I am also extremely worried about how Fuji will deal with the SAB issue in the near future. I really wish they would say if they have found a lasting solution to the problem or not...

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If you are getting an XP1 for paid reportage work then you'll need a backup. X100!!!

This also saves you from purchasing the wide lens for the XP1 which approximates to 35mm equiv.

No sticky blades here with my X100. If the image quality of the XP1 is anywhere near as nice as the X100 then it'll be great.

When I think of the tonal qualities of the X100 the word "creamy" comes to mind, even at ISO 6400. It's really something special.
Cyclopedia Brown said:
I do so much work that is just reportage and in the line of journalism though and a smaller camera could work well for those situations, I think.

However I am leaning towards just grabbing the XP1 and keeping my DSLRs. I'll just have to live frugally for a while....

The X100 is nice (to me it looks better than the XP1, cosmetically) but I am scared that Fuji has not gotten the sticky shutter thing under control. If they would just make a statement about it so people like me could feel better, I would be willing to risk it.
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Sure you can wait for XP1 while using that 7D, it is not like not having no camera at all... what is the point rushing it? And it is not like X100 will disappear, in fact you may get good price on used ones after XP1 if the xP1 is not the "one".
You will not miss anything if you have 7D....
 
I hear that your heart wants to buy the XP1 because of the current hype, but your mind says keep what you got and wait. I go through this every time a new exciting camera comes out. Was it the NEX7, X100, XP1, Sony 77? Based on the state of cameras, if you have good lenses, the difference in IQ between systems is not very much.

Why get into a 2nd lens system? The lens quality of the Canon and XP1 may be comparable, but no one knows for sure as the new Fuji primes have not been tested. The XP1 may be great at ISO 6400, but even it is how many times do you have to shoot at ISO 6400? If you wear glasses, the XP1 does not have built in diopter correction--does that make a difference to you where you must buy a separate diopter lens? The advantage of the XP1 may be that you believe that it is both smaller in size and the IQ is at least comparable to the 7D. Wait for a few reviews to determine if you really want to make the purchase. You won't go wrong by standing pat for awhile. Remember if you wait a few months, another blockbuster camera will be released which you will want more than the XP1.

Good luck with your decision.
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My only problem with your logic is this: if you sell your 7D, you are selling a lens-compatible system, which serves as a crop of your main system. If you get the Xpro, none of your lenses will work, even with an adapter, they will be manual focus.

Your backup is a completely different system that cannot use flash the same way or the lenses, and will handle differently. I can't imagine how that will help you professionally.
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I am shooting with 5d(original), 7d and x100 myself.

For me x100 has couple of advantages X-pro will not have.

X100 is the camera that I have with me all the time. Even if I would end up buying X-pro, I would probably not drag it with me that much.

My paid work is mostly theater, performance, music and other art-events. X-100 is very quiet. For many this is not an issue, but for me it is sometimes desisive: with x-100 I can shoot, with 5D I can not.

For a third camera, I personally do not need a system camera, especially if it is not compatible with my existing system. For me X-100 is a very good all-in-one solution, I know what it can do I do the rest with something else.

X-pro will definitely be very interesting camera, and I really would love to buy it. But I think I will spend my money at this point to update my 5d to mk2, and wait for a year or so to see what will happend.
 
shigzeo ? said:
My only problem with your logic is this: if you sell your 7D, you are selling a lens-compatible system, which serves as a crop of your main system. If you get the Xpro, none of your lenses will work, even with an adapter, they will be manual focus.
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I think I have actually figured out a way to keep my 7D and still pay for the X-Pro1. That being said, I really only want two different lenses with the X-Pro1. A 35 equivalent(which wont come at the release, I know) and a 50mm or in this case a 53mm.
shigzeo said:
Your backup is a completely different system that cannot use flash the same way or the lenses, and will handle differently. I can't imagine how that will help you professionally.
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I think this will be a great camera for journalism actually. I dont use much flash for my work in that field. I need something that performs well in low light at high ISOs. This seems to fit the bill in that regard.
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anttia said:
I am shooting with 5d(original), 7d and x100 myself.

For me x100 has couple of advantages X-pro will not have.

X100 is the camera that I have with me all the time. Even if I would end up buying X-pro, I would probably not drag it with me that much.
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That's one reason that the X100 still weighs heavily in my thoughts... It's smaller and easier to carry.... However I am frightened by the SAB issues and the inability to upgrade the lens if I decide I want to shoot from a different FOV.
anttia said:
For a third camera, I personally do not need a system camera, especially if it is not compatible with my existing system. For me X-100 is a very good all-in-one solution, I know what it can do I do the rest with something else.
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The 35mm lens does seem like a great all around lens.... I would rather have that length than the 53mm, but im fine with the idea of getting the 35mm later and having the 53mm for now as i love my 50mm now for my DSLR...
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