7D image quality better than a 5DmkII

Rupert Bottomsworth · Jan 19, 2012

MAC said:
5dc is used on many forums I am on because of a few reasons

Several people use the term 5d when they mean 5d2, so our c suffix is to distinguish the two

What's wrong with using 2?

Honestly, there must be some real morons out there if they can't tell that 5D means the first generation of the camera and 5D2 is the second.

oysso · Jan 20, 2012

MAC said:
Thanks for the link. Interesting.

I use DXO mainly to get an idea of the rating with respect to other cameras on noise and colors

Then I go to the digital picture site and look at the color patches for two or three cameras I'm considering and...

in every case so far, my eyes have seen at the digital picture site --the same differentiation that DXO is presenting in their charts.

DXO is good but doesn't tell me visually what it means

The visuals at the digital picture site tells me what it means and if I'm going to buy a camera or not or if I buy a camera how far I'll go zoomed in on closeups

I go iso1250 with my 40d
I go iso3200 with my 5dc

Then I start figuring out visually how sharp things are at F stops combined with noise considerations -- and I can sort in Lightroom on iso settings and write presets to sharpen whole segments of the same iso images to the same sharpness and NR.

When between myself and my assistant we shoot 2200 at an event, one needs to figure out how to weed --photomechanic --and how to automate --LR presets

That is just thinking about gain. The image gets less DOF as a result of wider opening.... The lagest F-tops are first and foremost a way of getting better out of focus blur.

Trevor Allen · Jan 20, 2012

No not at all

MAC · Jan 20, 2012

oysso said:
MAC said:

Thanks for the link. Interesting.

I use DXO mainly to get an idea of the rating with respect to other cameras on noise and colors

Then I go to the digital picture site and look at the color patches for two or three cameras I'm considering and...

in every case so far, my eyes have seen at the digital picture site --the same differentiation that DXO is presenting in their charts.

DXO is good but doesn't tell me visually what it means

The visuals at the digital picture site tells me what it means and if I'm going to buy a camera or not or if I buy a camera how far I'll go zoomed in on closeups

I go iso1250 with my 40d
I go iso3200 with my 5dc

Then I start figuring out visually how sharp things are at F stops combined with noise considerations -- and I can sort in Lightroom on iso settings and write presets to sharpen whole segments of the same iso images to the same sharpness and NR.

When between myself and my assistant we shoot 2200 at an event, one needs to figure out how to weed --photomechanic --and how to automate --LR presets

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That is just thinking about gain. The image gets less DOF as a result of wider opening.... The lagest F-tops are first and foremost a way of getting better out of focus blur.

Yes, better Blur, better Low Noise, better Sharpness (particulalry wide open - F1.2-F2.8)

Shows up HUGE on normal size prints

Game, Set, Match

Slam Dunk in my eyes with portrait L primes in low light without flash

Looks like the forum is back to rationale. The 7d trolls come over to this forum, give the full frame no credit, and in the end try to bring the place down. Giving credit to both formats is approrpiate versus mis-information. So I just provided the picture they know is not easy to find for some

So I posted above the visual accuracy.

many already know about the physical clutter -- ie, the difference between f2.8 clutter (on FF gives good blur) and f4.5 clutter (on crop does not give nearly as good of blur). And then it just goes the same better FF blur as you go further wide open with lenses -- and the lenses were designed in focal length for the FF so all these parameters add up to IQ of the system in real shooting senarios.

Faintandfuzzy · Jan 20, 2012

.....that's why they have to use "Classic" for the Canon 1Ds Classic and Canon 1D Classic in order to tell them apart....oh wait....they don't ;-)

It seems it's only the 5D users who get easily confused so they have to add "classic" at the end because the 5D is somehow magic.

Ershotz - · Jan 20, 2012

Faintandfuzzy said:
.....that's why they have to use "Classic" for the Canon 1Ds Classic and Canon 1D Classic in order to tell them apart....oh wait....they don't ;-)

It seems it's only the 5D users who get easily confused so they have to add "classic" at the end because the 5D is somehow magic.

The 5D is magic because it is full frame And there is nothing wrong with calling it Classic!
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ershotz

qianp2k · Jan 20, 2012

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos5d/

It's Classic is because Canon sets a milestone back in August 2005, the only affordable small-form FF DSLR in the market then as said by Canon then 'defines (a) new D-SLR category' , indeed. It's Classic that its IQ can withstand most today advanced DSLRs even after 6 full years. In low ISOs, its IQ actually better than D700/D3/D300s, and probably still the sharpest DSLR at per-pixel basis. 5D IQ is known for its natural sharpness, smooth and creamy color rendition and stellar in skin tone.

Ershotz - said:
Faintandfuzzy said:

.....that's why they have to use "Classic" for the Canon 1Ds Classic and Canon 1D Classic in order to tell them apart....oh wait....they don't ;-)

It seems it's only the 5D users who get easily confused so they have to add "classic" at the end because the 5D is somehow magic.

Click to expand...

The 5D is magic because it is full frame And there is nothing wrong with calling it Classic!
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ershotz

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gdanmitchell · Jan 20, 2012

Rupert Bottomsworth said:
Honestly, there must be some real morons out there...

I think you have demonstrated that most effectively.

Now tone it down, please.

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Faintandfuzzy · Jan 20, 2012

Ershotz - said:
Faintandfuzzy said:

.....that's why they have to use "Classic" for the Canon 1Ds Classic and Canon 1D Classic in order to tell them apart....oh wait....they don't ;-)

It seems it's only the 5D users who get easily confused so they have to add "classic" at the end because the 5D is somehow magic.

Click to expand...

The 5D is magic because it is full frame And there is nothing wrong with calling it Classic!
--
ershotz

The only reason it's magic is that the 5d is now so old, it's cheap enough that pro wannabees can afford to buy it to make them feel special.

Rupert Bottomsworth · Jan 20, 2012

gdanmitchell said:
Rupert Bottomsworth said:

Honestly, there must be some real morons out there...

Click to expand...

I think you have demonstrated that most effectively.

Now tone it down, please.

How about you jump off a tall building.

Apewithacamera · Jan 20, 2012

How about 5D LC (Legendary Classic)

Ershotz - · Jan 20, 2012

Faintandfuzzy said:
Ershotz - said:

Faintandfuzzy said:

.....that's why they have to use "Classic" for the Canon 1Ds Classic and Canon 1D Classic in order to tell them apart....oh wait....they don't ;-)

It seems it's only the 5D users who get easily confused so they have to add "classic" at the end because the 5D is somehow magic.

Click to expand...

The 5D is magic because it is full frame And there is nothing wrong with callIing it Classic!
--
ershotz

Click to expand...

The only reason it's magic is that the 5d is now so old, it's cheap enough that pro wannabees can afford to buy it to make them feel special.

So you admit, if they are pro wannabes, that pro's used them, probable because it is full frame! Sorry you dont feel special, just buy a ff 5D classic and you will feel warm,faint,and fuzzy
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ershotz

Le Kilt · Jan 20, 2012

Rupert Bottomsworth said:
MAC said:

5dc is used on many forums I am on because of a few reasons

Several people use the term 5d when they mean 5d2, so our c suffix is to distinguish the two

Click to expand...

What's wrong with using 2?

Honestly, there must be some real morons out there if they can't tell that 5D means the first generation of the camera and 5D2 is the second.

It's when the real morons use the term 5D that people aren't sure which they mean.

There are also some morons that can't tell what 5Dc means despite having been told.
But you're not one of those, are you?

Vibrio · Jan 20, 2012

The 7D has no where near the IQ of the 5D2

Dosquattros said:
I am getting ready to buy a new DSLR and am down to the 5DmkII or 7D. The dpreview review of the 7D shows it to take better quality images than the 5DmkII but habe a difficult time believing it. How can this be true? I will use this camera for travel, and by doing so it may be subjected to some hard use and weather. I want the best images possible so they can be enlarged. Thanks in advance for your input.

Tim Devine · Jan 20, 2012

Oops. There's a 1D Classic reference....AND it came from a Nikon user.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/987170

There are quite a few people appending Classic to the 1D series.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=Canon+%221D+Classic%22
https://www.google.com/search?q=Canon+%221Ds+Classic%22

Even if you win a few battles here and there...I think the war has already been lost.

Faintandfuzzy said:
.....that's why they have to use "Classic" for the Canon 1Ds Classic and Canon 1D Classic in order to tell them apart....oh wait....they don't ;-)

It seems it's only the 5D users who get easily confused so they have to add "classic" at the end because the 5D is somehow magic.

Tim Devine · Jan 20, 2012

Good or bad, some people say 5D when in reality they are talking about the 5D II. I think people started adding the "Classic" and "Mark I" so that it's abundantly clear that they are talking about the 5D, not the 5D II.

Blame Canon...in the end it's the naming that really started the ball rolling.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=37975968
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1056163/0#10045043
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=11027245&postcount=11

I guess I could have spent more time finding examples, but it was pretty easy to find a few right off the bat.

Dosquattros · Jan 20, 2012

Thanks for all the input. I think I will go with the 5DII since most of my shots are landscapes, and other fix objects.

Tim Devine · Jan 20, 2012

And to continue the conversation I'm having with myself. This forum is named "Canon EOS-1D / 1Ds / 5D Forum". The "5D" part of the name covers both the 5D and 5D II. One could argue that calling it the "Canon EOS 1 And 5 Series Forum" might be better, but you get the idea. It's just another example of why you might see people trying to instill some disambiguation (to steal a term from Wikipedia) into the mix.

Just wait until the 7D Mark II (assuming Canon runs with the 1/5 naming convention and not the nnX/nnnX convention) comes out. Dare I say we'll see some "7D Classic" or "7D Mark I" posts?

springbock · Jan 20, 2012

Apewithacamera said:
How about 5D LC (Legendary Classic)

lol.... I'm waiting for Mac to start calling the 100 L macro the "100 L ultimate"

. When someone changes the name of their camera from the manufacturers name and tries to elevate it's importance with a name like classic, it screams FANBOY!

Should the 1st digital 6mp Rebel be called the Rebel classic? After all it was the first DSLR that broke the $1,000 barrier

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Now carry on, smoke em if you got em.

Cheers,

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MAC · Jan 20, 2012

springbock said:
Apewithacamera said:

How about 5D LC (Legendary Classic)

Click to expand...

lol.... I'm waiting for Mac to start calling the 100 L macro the "100 L ultimate" . When someone changes the name of their camera from the manufacturers name and tries to elevate it's importance with a name like classic, it screams FANBOY!

Should the 1st digital 6mp Rebel be called the Rebel classic? After all it was the first DSLR that broke the $1,000 barrier .

Now carry on, smoke em if you got em.

Cheers,

HaHa, it takes a few years for togs to tool up, then we'll name it ;

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