7D image quality better than a 5DmkII

He intentionally find fault with this 5Dc name, not just once in this thread but many times in many different threads. He has a crusade to fight on 5D and 5D2.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=39703361

Sounds familiar? If you search you can find more to show he is so obsessed with this name - Classic that he simply cannot swallow.

I cannot read Fuzzy's mind. Does he ever tired? He really needs to check with a doctor ASAP because he is so mad on 5D/5D2. What's wrong with this guy?
Beats 7D for general IQ.
I've never heard of a 5D "Classic"
A common name for the original 5D on this forum.
That 5dc or "classic" is absolute nonsense; why? Because it is at least for a while needlessly confusing for people when they first see it (e.g. did they mistype? do they actually mean 5d2 or just 5d?, etc..)

For heavens sakes, this isn't nursery school- the camera has a name. 5d. There isn't a 5dc, "classic" or whatever else you want to call it. Yes, I know there are "pet" names fort lenses etc., but usually smart people will specifically state what they're talking about before adding the pet name (e.g. 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 "holy trinity").

A lens that is exceptionally heavy or large can reasonably have a pet name but a freak'n 5d? Are you kidding me? Sheesh people. I didn't know what in the world people were talking about when I first saw 5dc and had to waste time going down the thread trying to figure out what in the world I had missed in the Canon lineup (obviously I'm not the only one).

Keep it simple. The camera has a name, and for the sake of being grown up... use it.

;)

I think the 5d2 is better IQ wise over the 7d in most cases as someone already stated.
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Well, technically there is no such thing as a 5D2. It's a 5D Mark II....wait, I guess if you go by the Canon USA site it's actually the EOS 5D Mark II.

Is the 5D2 a relative to R2D2?

I personally don't have an issue with original 5D, 5D classic....although if people said 5D (not Mark II) or 5D (not Canon 5D Mark II), it would be technically more correct I guess.

There's quite a few people on this forum that really seem to get bent out of shape about this.
Beats 7D for general IQ.
I've never heard of a 5D "Classic"

Is it some special edition of the 5D. As far as I know, there is only a 5D and a 5D2. Now as to the 5D, no, sorry. The IQ from the 5D is not better.
 
Really??? Mistyping 5d2 or 5d?. Neither is even close to the letter "c" on the keyboard...qwerty or dvorak.
That 5dc or "classic" is absolute nonsense; why? Because it is at least for a while needlessly confusing for people when they first see it (e.g. did they mistype? do they actually mean 5d2 or just 5d?, etc..)
 
5dc is used on many forums I am on because of a few reasons

Several people use the term 5d when they mean 5d2, so our c suffix is to distinguish the two

And because some great shooters have sold the 5dc after they bought the 5dii -- but then they realized how good the 5dc really was -- so they bought back the 5dc to keep in their bags along with the 5dii

that is classic!

And these are some great photogs.

The 5dc does 12.8 mpxl

21 mpxl is often too much and medium raw of 10 mpxl on a 5dii is not enough.
 
Really??? Mistyping 5d2 or 5d?. Neither is even close to the letter "c" on the keyboard...qwerty or dvorak.
.... No kidding- that's why I was wondering if I had 'missed' something.

In any case I think it's utter nonsense. Reasonably intelligent people expect Nikon owners to be able to readily differentiate between the D3s, D3, and D3x or the D2H and D2Hs, or D2x and D2Xs.... But Canon folk have to add "classic" to a non-classic for some infantile reasons that don't make sense to begin with?

C'mon people...

You're killing me with this nonsense.

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Be careful to avoid posting after drinking 7 cups of coffee next time, OK? You'll embarrass yourself again if you aren't careful...

Dan
That 5dc or "classic" is absolute nonsense; why? Because it is at least for a while needlessly confusing for people when they first see it (e.g. did they mistype? do they actually mean 5d2 or just 5d?, etc..)

For heavens sakes, this isn't nursery school- the camera has a name. 5d. There isn't a 5dc, "classic" or whatever else you want to call it. Yes, I know there are "pet" names fort lenses etc., but usually smart people will specifically state what they're talking about before adding the pet name (e.g. 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 "holy trinity").

A lens that is exceptionally heavy or large can reasonably have a pet name but a freak'n 5d? Are you kidding me? Sheesh people. I didn't know what in the world people were talking about when I first saw 5dc and had to waste time going down the thread trying to figure out what in the world I had missed in the Canon lineup (obviously I'm not the only one).

Keep it simple. The camera has a name, and for the sake of being grown up... use it.

;)

I think the 5d2 is better IQ wise over the 7d in most cases as someone already stated.
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To each his own...seems like life is too short to get bent out of shape about something so trivial.

-Tim
 
5dc is used on many forums I am on because of a few reasons

Several people use the term 5d when they mean 5d2, so our c suffix is to distinguish the two
Don't even try it, you don't want to make yourself look like a nut :) So what, people make small mistakes but you don't expect people to start renaming cars, cameras and whatever else on the planet just because a relative few people make a slip of the keyboard do you? Of course not. That would make people look like they were 12 instead of grownups.
And because some great shooters have sold the 5dc after they bought the 5dii -- but then they realized how good the 5dc really was -- so they bought back the 5dc to keep in their bags along with the 5dii
What does that possibly have to do with anything- furthermore... doesn't "classic" generally denote a certain "age" of the product, make or model in order for it to be considered a "classic" even in most general terms?
that is classic!

And these are some great photogs.
So if they were the worse photos, then you wouldn't be for doing something as silly as renaming a camera that already has a name?
The 5dc does 12.8 mpxl
Yes. The 5d does... but what does that have anything to do with it? One of the old pro models does 11mp when everyone else was cranking out cameras with much less resolution, but that hasn't anything to do with anything either.
21 mpxl is often too much and medium raw of 10 mpxl on a 5dii is not enough.
Oh c'mon now... (playfully wagging finger from side to side) "not enough" for what exactly?

You're talking basically about a 9x14in print max at 300ppi (let's put this into terms we can all relate to instead of guess work) and I can assure you, that most people printing or photographing to put food in their mouth would rather have the additional res of the 5d2 because you can always make it smaller, but not larger, and at 9x14 (inches) you're still in the small print range... clients aren't going to know the difference... but what happens when you have to crop out that clump of trees, or a group of people in the way? 13mp isn't going to cut it as well as 21mp.
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reminds me of too strict of teacher when I was growing up...

print tech doesn't use 300ppi

change it to 240 and see the size

in canidid shooting in weddings 10-12.8 mpxl is good stuff for the 12x18 spreads we design

This isn't cars.

And 6 + years later great wedding photogs are still using 5dc -- this is amazing considering computers last 3-4 years tops these days

this is art - no rigid rules - 5dc users ban together on its nickname ;)
 
Well, technically there is no such thing as a 5D2. It's a 5D Mark II....wait, I guess if you go by the Canon USA site it's actually the EOS 5D Mark II.

Is the 5D2 a relative to R2D2?
Surely you're smart enough to realize that writing 5d2, 5dII or 5d Mark II seems far more comparable, reasonable, and acceptable as opposed to writing 5dc which no one ever enunciates.

If I was typing to tech support and they ask what type of Canon I had, and I typed "5d2" You and I both know that even the most dull-minded tech person would know instantly what model I was talking about. We all know that. Even people at Nikon would know that, tech support or not.

Write 5dc and a lot of people (tech, Canon shooters, Nikon shooters, etc.) won't know what the heck you're talking about. You know that. We all know that.
I personally don't have an issue with original 5D, 5D classic....although if people said 5D (not Mark II) or 5D (not Canon 5D Mark II), it would be technically more correct I guess.
Really? You're an adult and you actually have to "guess" that it would be "more" correct. So if it was a question on your SAT, ACT, LSAT, GRE, GMAT, etc.. in the comprehension section of the examination, as to which would make more sense to most people on the planet (5d2 instead of 5d Mark II) or (5dc instead of 5d Mark I) you'd actually have to scratch your head and "guess" or skip that space on the bubble sheet, finish less mentally taxing questions and later come back to further contemplate what would be the best answer ?

I refuse to believe you're that dim :)

I'd bet $50 you're smarter than that.
There's quite a few people on this forum that really seem to get bent out of shape about this.
Because it's so ridiculous that it's aggravating to see it in the forum.
Beats 7D for general IQ.
I've never heard of a 5D "Classic"

Is it some special edition of the 5D. As far as I know, there is only a 5D and a 5D2. Now as to the 5D, no, sorry. The IQ from the 5D is not better.
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Most likely laughing to hard to respond.
 
Thanks for the link. Interesting.

I use DXO mainly to get an idea of the rating with respect to other cameras on noise and colors

Then I go to the digital picture site and look at the color patches for two or three cameras I'm considering and...

in every case so far, my eyes have seen at the digital picture site --the same differentiation that DXO is presenting in their charts.

DXO is good but doesn't tell me visually what it means

The visuals at the digital picture site tells me what it means and if I'm going to buy a camera or not or if I buy a camera how far I'll go zoomed in on closeups

I go iso1250 with my 40d
I go iso3200 with my 5dc

Then I start figuring out visually how sharp things are at F stops combined with noise considerations -- and I can sort in Lightroom on iso settings and write presets to sharpen whole segments of the same iso images to the same sharpness and NR.

When between myself and my assistant we shoot 2200 at an event, one needs to figure out how to weed --photomechanic --and how to automate --LR presets
 
Wow, that is a lot of typing.

I was attempting to mimic the vitriol (I didn't even have to look it up in the dictionary) expressed in the commentary provided by the person quoted in my reply. Maybe have them rethink how they treated the person they were replying to. In reality, I believe your post took it to the next level though...bravo!

I'm not going to argue with you over my level of education or intellectual prowess. I will say that I am able to understand the various forms of 5D, 5Dc, 5D classic, original 5D vs. 5D2, 5DII, 5D II, 5D Mark II without much thought. It doesn't even phase me, which is probably the root of my inability to relate to those who get so riled up over it all.

I am truly sorry it upsets you so. It seems that so many of these variations are in constant use that I just don't see it changing at this point, no matter how much it upsets some people.
 
You know that the Proof is in the details? Yes it is my belief that bigger is better! FF rules and that APS-C has its place in photography, its just that I do not like my blue skies to be grainy and I have noticed in all shots with smaller sensors the sky in Landscapes gets grainy. furthermore in low light the challenge is to bring out the details and the smaller sensors just cannot get it done!

APS-C sensors are great when you fill the frame with a Macro Lens or shot items that are singular, or shot pieces of paper with lines on it, but even when looking at the lines, even though they appear sharp, their is considerable Chromatic Noise!
Landscape Photography requires the best money can buy
In the old days bigger was better they used 4x5 or 8x10 to get the job done.

FF is Better, its Bigger! and cost more its like saying that 35mm film is better than 120mm film? that's just nonsense.
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ershotz
 
Its the size of the sensor Bigger is Better!
Smaller pixels are less efficient than larger ones!
Dynamic range is better with larger pixels!
Larger Pixels hold more light, less noise and cleaner images!
Larger pixels = more light!

FF = Better! at-least if you have the talent to take the picture in the first place otherwise you could use a disc camera? or a # 2 lead pencil?
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ershotz
 
Well, technically there is no such thing as a 5D2. It's a 5D Mark II....wait, I guess if you go by the Canon USA site it's actually the EOS 5D Mark II.

Is the 5D2 a relative to R2D2?
Surely you're smart enough to realize that writing 5d2, 5dII or 5d Mark II seems far more comparable, reasonable, and acceptable as opposed to writing 5dc which no one ever enunciates.

If I was typing to tech support and they ask what type of Canon I had, and I typed "5d2" You and I both know that even the most dull-minded tech person would know instantly what model I was talking about. We all know that. Even people at Nikon would know that, tech support or not.
And we also know that if you write 5D, many will not be sure if you're referring to a Mark II or not. We all know that. How do I know that? I just do.
Write 5dc and a lot of people (tech, Canon shooters, Nikon shooters, etc.) won't know what the heck you're talking about. You know that. We all know that.
I personally don't have an issue with original 5D, 5D classic....although if people said 5D (not Mark II) or 5D (not Canon 5D Mark II), it would be technically more correct I guess.
Really? You're an adult and you actually have to "guess" that it would be "more" correct. So if it was a question on your SAT, ACT, LSAT, GRE, GMAT, etc.. in the comprehension section of the examination, as to which would make more sense to most people on the planet (5d2 instead of 5d Mark II) or (5dc instead of 5d Mark I) you'd actually have to scratch your head and "guess" or skip that space on the bubble sheet, finish less mentally taxing questions and later come back to further contemplate what would be the best answer ?

I refuse to believe you're that dim :)

I'd bet $50 you're smarter than that.
There's quite a few people on this forum that really seem to get bent out of shape about this.
Because it's so ridiculous that it's aggravating to see it in the forum.
Beats 7D for general IQ.
I've never heard of a 5D "Classic"

Is it some special edition of the 5D. As far as I know, there is only a 5D and a 5D2. Now as to the 5D, no, sorry. The IQ from the 5D is not better.
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Teila K. Day
 
Really??? Mistyping 5d2 or 5d?. Neither is even close to the letter "c" on the keyboard...qwerty or dvorak.
.... No kidding- that's why I was wondering if I had 'missed' something.

In any case I think it's utter nonsense. Reasonably intelligent people expect Nikon owners to be able to readily differentiate between the D3s, D3, and D3x or the D2H and D2Hs, or D2x and D2Xs....
No, intelligent people don't expect anything from Nikon owners, and just enjoy their Canon FF cameras.
But Canon folk have to add "classic" to a non-classic for some infantile reasons that don't make sense to begin with?
Sadly they don't make sense only to some poor Crop sensor camera owners...
C'mon people...

You're killing me with this nonsense.

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Teila K. Day
 
5dc is used on many forums I am on because of a few reasons

Several people use the term 5d when they mean 5d2, so our c suffix is to distinguish the two
Don't even try it, you don't want to make yourself look like a nut :) So what, people make small mistakes but you don't expect people to start renaming cars, cameras and whatever else on the planet just because a relative few people make a slip of the keyboard do you? Of course not. That would make people look like they were 12 instead of grownups.
And because some great shooters have sold the 5dc after they bought the 5dii -- but then they realized how good the 5dc really was -- so they bought back the 5dc to keep in their bags along with the 5dii
What does that possibly have to do with anything- furthermore... doesn't "classic" generally denote a certain "age" of the product, make or model in order for it to be considered a "classic" even in most general terms?
that is classic!

And these are some great photogs.
So if they were the worse photos, then you wouldn't be for doing something as silly as renaming a camera that already has a name?
The 5dc does 12.8 mpxl
Yes. The 5d does... but what does that have anything to do with it? One of the old pro models does 11mp when everyone else was cranking out cameras with much less resolution, but that hasn't anything to do with anything either.
21 mpxl is often too much and medium raw of 10 mpxl on a 5dii is not enough.
Oh c'mon now... (playfully wagging finger from side to side) "not enough" for what exactly?

You're talking basically about a 9x14in print max at 300ppi (let's put this into terms we can all relate to instead of guess work) and I can assure you, that most people printing or photographing to put food in their mouth would rather have the additional res of the 5d2 because you can always make it smaller, but not larger, and at 9x14 (inches) you're still in the small print range... clients aren't going to know the difference... but what happens when you have to crop out that clump of trees, or a group of people in the way? 13mp isn't going to cut it as well as 21mp.
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It's a pity you haven't owned one, or you might understand why people think so highly of them.

It was the first non-pro body to offer FF with an excellent quality and a price some non-pros could afford (and 2 years before Nikon released their first FF!). It had - and still has - that Wow! factor, where you just get great pics from it without even trying hard.

It is already a legendary camera, and even if it seems a bit early to call it a classic, it and its big brother are probably the two most famous DSLRs in the world. So yes, it is becoming a "Classic".

This does unfortunately generate some envy and jealousy from those not enjoying such marvels, but their owners generally help those poor people by sharing the wondrous photos obtained with them, bringing joy to the hearts of all.
 
When I saw 5Dc I wondered what the hell it was! So stupid. Can people really not differentiate between 5D and 5D2?
Teila Day wrote:

That 5dc or "classic" is absolute nonsense; why? Because it is at least for a while needlessly confusing for people when they first see it (e.g. did they mistype? do they actually mean 5d2 or just 5d?, etc..)

For heavens sakes, this isn't nursery school- the camera has a name. 5d. There isn't a 5dc, "classic" or whatever else you want to call it. Yes, I know there are "pet" names fort lenses etc., but usually smart people will specifically state what they're talking about before adding the pet name (e.g. 14-24, 24-70, 70-200 "holy trinity").

A lens that is exceptionally heavy or large can reasonably have a pet name but a freak'n 5d? Are you kidding me? Sheesh people. I didn't know what in the world people were talking about when I first saw 5dc and had to waste time going down the thread trying to figure out what in the world I had missed in the Canon lineup (obviously I'm not the only one).

Keep it simple. The camera has a name, and for the sake of being grown up... use it.

;)

I think the 5d2 is better IQ wise over the 7d in most cases as someone already stated.
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Teila K. Day
 

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