Diopter Adj on XPRO 1 - anyone concerned w/both glasses and contacts?

" Or you can cut a lens the right size from an old pair of reading glasses."

So I should buy a $2700 camera and then cut down a pair of old glasses so I can look thru the viewfinder? Like wow....

djpearlman said:

" Or you can cut a lens the right size from an old pair of reading glasses."

So I should buy a $2700 camera and then cut down a pair of old glasses so I can look thru the viewfinder? Like wow....

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Or you could pay $7,000 for a Leica and "cut down a pair of old glasses so I can look thru the viewfinder" .......

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Suppose they thought that we would put up with the problem to be able to afford a poor mans Leica!!!

No Fuji! I am so used to looking through Canons excellent viewfinders and being able to not only get a perfectly crisp view of the image for focussing but don't have to push my specs hard against the stop to be able to see the corners. I put up with a little bit of agro from my X10 as far as viewfinder but then it is my walk-a-bout and serves the purpose when needed but the size and cost of the new Fuji will put it in the system cameras that needs to be used as such. Pity!!!
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it's important to have the adjustment. I shot Nikon cameras as well as Olumpus Pen and Richoh GXR. They have all had internal diopter control through sa wheel on the camera.

Many many years ago I worked for Nikon and it was at a time of screw in diopters. Theu were a pain. Not because the did not work, although not exactly, but to find. Stores never seemed to have the right ones. In this day and age you and I will be hard put to even find a store that stocks diopters.

Back then the solotion was to take the camera to an eye doctor together with a blank eyepiece, test your eye through the camera and determine what strength you needed to have ground and put in the blank. This was indeed a hassel and expensive. If you do not super glue the diopter it just mauy unsrew itself so have a back up.

for the sake of esthetics to leave off a fine tuning diopter is ludicrous and dilutes the word pro. Even the most basic of point and shoots have this control today.

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Elliot

this is sort of obvious, that besides sharing camera with an assistant,
family, friend or just passerby, even ourselves are culpable of
causing problems

if we look at the XP1's VF:

• its off center position in the top-left corner is quite advantageous: allows to shoot in RF style, and a nose is clear of LCD = no smears, no discomfort; provided that we focus with right eye;
• however, in VERTICAL orientation the only way to accomplish the same is to switch eyes - unless camera will be placed in a very awkward position, facing all up, with only point of contact being the right eye;
• there are very many photogs (myself included) whose eyes differ in the amount of correction required, and what is more this changes in time (even during a day, when fatigue and even levels of glucose in blood are all quite contributing factors);

so, gluing a screw-on diopter won't do at all as we'd need not one but
two of them - with constant screwing/unscrewing, and... lost shots ,

jpr2

ELLIOT P STERN said:

it's important to have the adjustment. I shot Nikon cameras as well as Olumpus Pen and Richoh GXR. They have all had internal diopter control through sa wheel on the camera.

Many many years ago I worked for Nikon and it was at a time of screw in diopters. Theu were a pain. Not because the did not work, although not exactly, but to find. Stores never seemed to have the right ones. In this day and age you and I will be hard put to even find a store that stocks diopters.

Back then the solotion was to take the camera to an eye doctor together with a blank eyepiece, test your eye through the camera and determine what strength you needed to have ground and put in the blank. This was indeed a hassel and expensive. If you do not super glue the diopter it just mauy unsrew itself so have a back up.

for the sake of esthetics to leave off a fine tuning diopter is ludicrous and dilutes the word pro. Even the most basic of point and shoots have this control today.

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I'm going to let Fuji know a little secret here. Many, many people have poor eyesight and do not admit it or do not even know about it. If Fuji did some market research such as "Do you use the Diopter adjustment on your camera?" I guarantee they will get bad or misleading results back.

Fuji's reply to my youtube comment on this subject is that removing the diopter saved 1cm of space. If they are charging a premium price for the camera and space is a consideration then please include an assortment of corrective lenses inside the box! As it turns out my optometrist is also a photographer but I know he will charge me an arm and a leg for a corrective lens. Also, I'm supposed to unscrew a corrective lens so that another person such as a waiter or my wife can use my camera? When I hand my 7D to anybody it's a simple routine of flicking the diopter adjustment dial, putting the camera on auto and handing it over.

Fuji, the best way to see if a feature like this can be left off, especially in the name of aesthetics, is to give it to people to beta test. Unfortunately this seems to be a step missing these days as companies rush to get products out the door as quickly and secretly as possible.

jpr2 said:

this is sort of obvious, that besides sharing camera with an assistant,
family, friend or just passerby, even ourselves are culpable of
causing problems

if we look at the XP1's VF:

• its off center position in the top-left corner is quite advantageous: allows to shoot in RF style, and a nose is clear of LCD = no smears, no discomfort; provided that we focus with right eye;
• however, in VERTICAL orientation the only way to accomplish the same is to switch eyes - unless camera will be placed in a very awkward position, facing all up, with only point of contact being the right eye;
• there are very many photogs (myself included) whose eyes differ in the amount of correction required, and what is more this changes in time (even during a day, when fatigue and even levels of glucose in blood are all quite contributing factors);

so, gluing a screw-on diopter won't do at all as we'd need not one but
two of them - with constant screwing/unscrewing, and... lost shots ,

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oops, drop the little thing on the ground, broke, this is the backup one, and you are hiking, ...

jpr2 said:

jpr2

ELLIOT P STERN said:

it's important to have the adjustment. I shot Nikon cameras as well as Olumpus Pen and Richoh GXR. They have all had internal diopter control through sa wheel on the camera.

Many many years ago I worked for Nikon and it was at a time of screw in diopters. Theu were a pain. Not because the did not work, although not exactly, but to find. Stores never seemed to have the right ones. In this day and age you and I will be hard put to even find a store that stocks diopters.

Back then the solotion was to take the camera to an eye doctor together with a blank eyepiece, test your eye through the camera and determine what strength you needed to have ground and put in the blank. This was indeed a hassel and expensive. If you do not super glue the diopter it just mauy unsrew itself so have a back up.

for the sake of esthetics to leave off a fine tuning diopter is ludicrous and dilutes the word pro. Even the most basic of point and shoots have this control today.

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@ jpr2
you are absolute RIGHT !
I think about it exactly as you

and only for this reason , i will be very sorry because I 'll not buy this camera , simple !

I'm feeling very sad...
bye , bye fuji
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I get that its a problem, lack of diop.adj. cause I ware glasses to, but people come ON!
Different diopters for each lens, different for time of day...??

Do you REALLY need to have THAT much perfection? Such perfect vision through those few second in the viewfinder?

Sheesh... make your lives a bit easier and just get one that work better than none.
Don't be so anal.
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at this stage of our knowledge it is already quite evident that
the XP1 has two very strong selling points:

• [1] excellent sensor (by all indicators) of very good and pleasing colors, resolution, DOF characteristics - which might be quite unique, low light capabilities, the list can go on and on;
• [2] superb hybrid VF, both by design/concept, as well as actual implementation;

it also seems to have few weak points:

• [3] MF by-wire, supposedly not much improved from quirks haunting the x100;
• [4] rather far from excellent AF implementation;

• ALAS the strengths stemming from [2] are nullified by the lack of adjustable diopter = I see no or very little point to have even the best industry VF, if it can't be seen clearly at the best resolution and sharpness it has to offer - the sheer idiocy of such a design, which puts lots of resources to gain excellence only to spoil it by an absence of essential trifle, is beyond words, and... indeed a deal killer for me, despite all possible... but in practice purely hypothetical fortes !!!

jpr2

adal said:

@ jpr2
you are absolute RIGHT !
I think about it exactly as you

and only for this reason , i will be very sorry because I 'll not buy this camera , simple !

I'm feeling very sad...
bye , bye fuji
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Sorry but , for example, I am Miope
( I am -2.5 both the eyes)
I can't see very well the far objects ( landscape...)
so, this is really important...

before my shot I raise my glass on my forehead and put my left photo trained eye very near the viewfinder to compose my photo and ..see all the infarmations superimposed
it is vital to see a sharp image ! and without the damn glass too !!!!
do you agree ??

thx to all posters
...and keep this thread up...please
hoping in fuji listening (or..reading)

ciaooooo
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[2] superb hybrid VF, both by design/concept,

ALAS the strengths stemming from [2] are nullified by the lack of adjustable diopter = I see no or very little point to have even the best industry VF, if it can't be seen clearly at the best resolution and sharpness it has to offer - the sheer idiocy of such a design, which puts lots of resources to gain excellence only to spoil it by an absence of essential trifle, is beyond words, and... indeed a deal killer for me,

I couldn t agree more it s almost as tho they enjoy the "flawed genius " of each design they can t make it perfect it case it angers the "camera gods" like rugs in Persia which had to contain a deliberate flaw. Perfection belongs only to a higher .....

I wanted the X100 until I used one {early firmware} my frustration at the focus and clunky interface and iffy rear LCD made me wait.

X10 the same, sooooo close, but a light telling you in your peripheral vision you are sharp and then the review showing you aren t meant for me it s unusable.

I have to know in the viewfinder I m sharp and have the shot. Put the X100 VF in X10 and we re close....

I waited again, this must be the one ,and a simple thing like a built diopter fatally flaws it again.
I ll try it but ..... Soo frustrating and now I m seeing expensive- ish .
I want a diopter for that kind of cash.

Diopter adjustment is a must. No adjustment is a definite no go. More than one person needs to use this camera, what a mess caring around and changing diopters. Fuji really rushed this camera out so they could compete with the NEX-7, to bad.

Apologies if it has already been mentioned but does anybody know what the standard dioptre power is for the viewfinder of the X Pro 1 ?

I know most SLRs require your eye to focus closer than infinity, i.e. their standard dioptre mid point setting before any adjustment will be approximately -1 Dioptres because you are focussing on an image on a ground glass focussing screen which is an apparent distance of 1 metre (3ft) rather than the actual scene itself.

But I don't know what the situation is with rangefinder type viewfinders. There is no ground glass screen of course. In other words if viewing with two eyes (one through the viewfinder and one directly to the scene) as many rangefinder users like to do, how would the camera viewfinder best be set up? Infinity (0 Dioptres) I presume, or am I wrong?

If you have glasses for long distance vision aren't you then perfectly served by leaving the viewfinder as it is and by wearing your glasses (assuming you can see all corners of the viewfinder reasonably well that is)?

I agree many of us with problems with short distance vision may need glasses to look at the LCD and the controls, but in that case if wearing those for shooting (even if the camera did have an adjustable viewfinder) what would you be able to see further away from you?

Personally I wear varifocals and therefore am lucky enough to be able to see at most distances without changing glasses or removing them, even though my eyes are completely useless without them. So probably an adjustable dioptre wouldn't provide much advantage anyway?

I'm wondering therefore whether adjustable viewfinders are really needed with a camera like the X Pro 1, or am I being thick?

meland said:

Personally I wear varifocals and therefore am lucky enough to be able to see at most distances without changing glasses or removing them, even though my eyes are completely useless without them. So probably an adjustable dioptre wouldn't provide much advantage anyway?

I'm wondering therefore whether adjustable viewfinders are really needed with a camera like the X Pro 1, or am I being thick?

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I'm varifocals user too, what is more my left & right prescriptions do differ,
and to make things worse still there is a bit of astigamatism involved in
both eyes [sigh !!!]; and yet while progressive glasses allow me to see
very well from infinity to close distances without the need to remove
glasses (well enough to see LCD at close distance too);

• I've found that on ANY camera I use there is a clear need for adjustments despite verifocals;
• in fact four different settings are necessary - with/w-out glasses separately for left/right side;
• and it is not only theory, as I'm using them this way rather often; outside studio I prefer to shoot with glasses on, changing eyes as a function of light/sunshine direction - to eliminate ambient light from VF as much as possible;
• indoors shooting without is much preferable for me; also in most adverse light conditions outdoors it might be necessary to resort to glass-less shooting;
• a lot depends also on horizontal/vertical camera orientation;

the only solution, obviously, is to have an adjustable diopter ;

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jpr2 said:

meland said:

Personally I wear varifocals and therefore am lucky enough to be able to see at most distances without changing glasses or removing them, even though my eyes are completely useless without them. So probably an adjustable dioptre wouldn't provide much advantage anyway?

I'm wondering therefore whether adjustable viewfinders are really needed with a camera like the X Pro 1, or am I being thick?

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I'm varifocals user too, what is more my left & right prescriptions do differ,
and to make things worse still there is a bit of astigamatism involved in
both eyes [sigh !!!]; and yet while progressive glasses allow me to see
very well from infinity to close distances without the need to remove
glasses (well enough to see LCD at close distance too);

• I've found that on ANY camera I use there is a clear need for adjustments despite verifocals;
• in fact four different settings are necessary - with/w-out glasses separately for left/right side;
• and it is not only theory, as I'm using them this way rather often; outside studio I prefer to shoot with glasses on, changing eyes as a function of light/sunshine direction - to eliminate ambient light from VF as much as possible;
• indoors shooting without is much preferable for me; also in most adverse light conditions outdoors it might be necessary to resort to glass-less shooting;
• a lot depends also on horizontal/vertical camera orientation;

the only solution, obviously, is to have an adjustable diopter ;

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I totally agree with you on DSLRs. But do you find the same with rangefinder type cameras?

Optical viewfinders are usually designed to give apparent focus at around 2 meters/6 ft. For example the native diopter for the M8/M9 (& M6,7,too) is -0.5 and the framelines appear at 2 meters. For me, I need a +2.00 diopter to get +1.5 where things at 2 meters are in focus while not wearing glasses. I can't hand the camera to my wife without removing the little expensive diopter and chancing losing it.
I haven't seen the VF specs on the X-Pro1.
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dealbreaker fuji. you lost $3000. minimum from me, to save yourself 10 bucks.

TTC947 said:

dealbreaker fuji. you lost $3000. minimum from me, to save yourself 10 bucks.

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So hand your wife the $3000 and spend $10 yourself on lens cleaner for your Sony.
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