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.... does it have sensor cleaning on start-up, with the consequent few milliseconds delay? If so, the whole camera's rubbish!

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Jim
 
Jim Ford said:
.... does it have sensor cleaning on start-up, with the consequent few milliseconds delay? If so, the whole camera's rubbish!

;^)

Jim
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Ya, right, like a few milliseconds is going to kill you. Get real.
 
if you can't wait a few milliseconds for startup.....
Can't think of a real world situation where this would even remotely matter
 
Jim Ford said:
.... does it have sensor cleaning on start-up, with the consequent few milliseconds delay? If so, the whole camera's rubbish!
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Hey Jim I can't find the bits in the reviews where DPReview disparages the cameras for this feature.
Was it in some old ones like e-500?
(I'm not going to search too hard...)
 
This was listed under the CONS in the final roundup of PROS and CONS in many reviews.

DPR's reasoning seems to be that however little time the sensor clean takes, there are situation where that delay may be too much. That is why DPR seems to favour a sensor clean cycle upon shutdown or according to user choice.

The counter-argument is of course that sensor cleaning is most useful prior to shooting : dust may enter the chamber when the camera is shut off (a lens swap is an obvious occasion), so it makes most sense to shake the sensor upon startup.

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made by DP Review since the 1st review of the E-1. It's been mentioned in most of the reviews of nearly every Oly DSLR they've reviewed. It's sort of a joke here. They don't complain about it quite so much anymore however.

The fact that if you are carrying the camera in OFF, and if you turn the camera ON as you raise it to your eye to take a shot, it will be ready when you are is totally lost on them. Also the fact that it works beautifully has been mostly lost on them for at least 7 years that I can attest to.

Last year I went to the Carolina Nature Photographers annual meeting. There were a couple of guys there that would clean your camera for a mere 25.00. They literally had stacks of Canikons there to be cleaned. I could only smile and shake my head.
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In older times, the start-up delay made it into the cons list. With the E-5, it still gets mentioned, but not in the cons. (They had enough cons already, so perhaps they felt they would be seen as "piling on."):
Ulfric M Douglas said:
"The E-5's SSWF sensor-cleaning system operates when the camera is first powered up, and as such the E-5 takes roughly 1 second from the moment that the switch is turned until it is ready to take a shot. Shutdown isn't instantaneous either, but in this instance, the delay is caused by the E-5's image stabilization system recallibrating itself, which it does with an audible (and haptic) juddering. The shutdown delay is inconsequential, but it would be nice to have the option of setting SSWF to operate either on demand, or at shutdown. A delay of one second before you can take a picture doesn't sound like much, but it could potentially lead to missed shooting opportunities in some situations."
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As has been said before, that one second is of no consequence, as you usually have the camera ON when you're ready to shoot — or at the very least, it takes a few seconds to bring the camera to ready position after turning the camera on.

Hopefully, you have other things to check before shooting as well, such as shutter speed and ISO. I've never had the start-up slow me down in 7 years of shooting Oly DSLRs.

I fully understood the OP's sarcasm.
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Jim Ford said:
.... does it have sensor cleaning on start-up, with the consequent few milliseconds delay? If so, the whole camera's rubbish!
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Let's see, a few milliseconds now, or a few milliseconds later, multiplied by the number of shots you took, staring at a monitor in Lightroom or your favorite software. Hmmm...

Robert
 
Good one Jim. That is the dirty little secret that is in the front of all our minds for sure.

:)

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DPReview's insistence on panning Olympus for this feature has been one of their major review failings in my opinion.

Like virtually all other Oly DSLR users, I have never, ever missed an important shot because of the dust removal cycle at start-up. In addition, like most other Oly DSLR users, I appreciate the fact that Olympus, once again, designed the system to be effective --rather than bow to marketing hype.

I have yet to see DPR, or anyone else clearly demonstrate that dust removal at shut down is as effective as dust removal at start up. Clearly, logic would say that removing dust prior to capturing images makes more sense.

I certainly hope Olympus never supplants function for market hype with it's upper range cameras -- it's one of many reasons Oly owners tend to be so dedicated.

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daddyo said:
DPReview's insistence on panning Olympus for this feature has been one of their major review failings in my opinion.

Like virtually all other Oly DSLR users, I have never, ever missed an important shot because of the dust removal cycle at start-up. In addition, like most other Oly DSLR users, I appreciate the fact that Olympus, once again, designed the system to be effective --rather than bow to marketing hype.

I have yet to see DPR, or anyone else clearly demonstrate that dust removal at shut down is as effective as dust removal at start up. Clearly, logic would say that removing dust prior to capturing images makes more sense.

I certainly hope Olympus never supplants function for market hype with it's upper range cameras -- it's one of many reasons Oly owners tend to be so dedicated.
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Spot on Greg and the whole point of my tongue in cheek post.

As I've seen someone else state: cleaning the sensor when you switch the camera off makes as much sense as wiping your @rse before you have a cr@p!

Jim
 
Barry Stewart said:
Barry Stewart said:
"The E-5's SSWF sensor-cleaning system operates when the camera is first powered up, and as such the E-5 takes roughly 1 second from the moment that the switch is turned until it is ready to take a shot. Shutdown isn't instantaneous either, but in this instance, the delay is caused by the E-5's image stabilization system recallibrating itself, which it does with an audible (and haptic) juddering. The shutdown delay is inconsequential, but it would be nice to have the option of setting SSWF to operate either on demand, or at shutdown. A delay of one second before you can take a picture doesn't sound like much, but it could potentially lead to missed shooting opportunities in some situations."
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It's a good thing you added the winking emoticon at the end of your message, Jim. Otherwise, instead of a couple of sarcastic remarks there would have been about 150 replies ranging from questioning your ancestry to what part of your anatomy in which to insert your new OM-D. :) I'm afraid that a lot of people these days think "tongue-in-cheek" is a style of French kissing... :p
 
Quite simply this feature was designed by the wrong brand. As with most olympus innovations they are gimmicks until they quietly appear two years later in the right brands.
 
olypan said:
Quite simply this feature was designed by the wrong brand . As with most olympus innovations they are gimmicks until they quietly appear two years later in the right brands.
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Got to quote this for truth!

Flip-swivel LCD not a plus until Canon finally stuck one on.

Now suddenly the 4/3rds format will be a plus once the G1X starts selling.
 
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