Could Sony FF use a fujifilm x100 style hybrid VF?

dw73 · Jan 15, 2012

I just saw that the fujifilm x100 uses a 'hybrid' viewfinder which the user can switch from OVF to EVF. Could Sony potentially use this type of technology in one of their FF replacements to the A900?

Just a thought! Options are nice!

liquid stereo · Jan 15, 2012

But remember, the only reason Sony got rid of the OVF was for AF in video.
Put the mirror back in there and you have OVF.
Put a AF in the sensor (a la Nikon) and you can have both EVF and OVF.

All for video... I am not sure how a hybrid viewfinder will be "an improvement".

Cheers!

dw73 said:
I just saw that the fujifilm x100 uses a 'hybrid' viewfinder which the user can switch from OVF to EVF. Could Sony potentially use this type of technology in one of their FF replacements to the A900?

Just a thought! Options are nice!

HobbiesAreFun · Jan 15, 2012

That's not the one and only reason for an EVF. Especially on crop bodies, there are multiple advantages to the EVF over an OVF.

liquid stereo said:
All for video... I am not sure how a hybrid viewfinder will be "an improvement".

Cheers!

dw73 said:

I just saw that the fujifilm x100 uses a 'hybrid' viewfinder which the user can switch from OVF to EVF. Could Sony potentially use this type of technology in one of their FF replacements to the A900?

Just a thought! Options are nice!

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dw73 · Jan 15, 2012

In a camera like the Fujifilm 100X, I noticed the OVF is in the upper left corner of the body - does it still represent a 100% view of what the actual image will be? Or, since it's off-centered from the location of the sensor, is it just an overall representation of what's out there, i.e. is it the same exact view of what it is in the EVF of that camera?

Keep in mind, I'm only interested in having an OVF option for OVF sake - that is, a 100% infinite representation of resolution of what's out there - OVF's show you exactly what's out there, not an electronic representation. Please, this thread is not for OVF vs EVF - it's only for would Sony ever provide a similar option for Sony FF users - because they also might want an OVF for OVF sake. If you're going to say that they wouldn't due to the SLT technology for auto-focus, well...

adi9 · Jan 15, 2012

dw73 said:
I just saw that the fujifilm x100 uses a 'hybrid' viewfinder which the user can switch from OVF to EVF. Could Sony potentially use this type of technology in one of their FF replacements to the A900?

Just a thought! Options are nice!

No.If you read the specs of that hibrid viewfinder you will see that the OVF and hybrif mode works with 2 lenses only.For everything else the EVF only is used. In theory it may work with more than 2 prime lenses but it can not work with a zoom lens (not in OVF mode). That is a rangefinder viewfinder not an SLR one.

winedarksea · Jan 15, 2012

mainly because the evf is the future of ALL photography, cinema & still.

but I agree with you--there is no point to have a hybrid like the x100, especially since BOTH choices in that camera are inferior to the evf in the A77.
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cyainparadise · Jan 15, 2012

and the camera, like all rangefinders suffers from parallax error. It's just like the error you would have with one of those disposable cameras. As someone who started out with a Minolta Hi-Matic 7s, it wouldn't bother me, but it might bother someone who has only used a SLR. However, most SLRs do not show 100% of the captured image.

dw73 said:
In a camera like the Fujifilm 100X, I noticed the OVF is in the upper left corner of the body - does it still represent a 100% view of what the actual image will be? Or, since it's off-centered from the location of the sensor, is it just an overall representation of what's out there, i.e. is it the same exact view of what it is in the EVF of that camera?

Keep in mind, I'm only interested in having an OVF option for OVF sake - that is, a 100% infinite representation of resolution of what's out there - OVF's show you exactly what's out there, not an electronic representation. Please, this thread is not for OVF vs EVF - it's only for would Sony ever provide a similar option for Sony FF users - because they also might want an OVF for OVF sake. If you're going to say that they wouldn't due to the SLT technology for auto-focus, well...

liquid stereo · Jan 15, 2012

Stop this bullsh!t talk/answer.

liquid stereo · Jan 15, 2012

The error becomes significant the closer the subject is to the lens. On the X100, I notice the difference in view/framing (between the OVF and the EVF) when the subject is closer than 3 to 4 feet. That's the only time I use the EVF (via the toggle on front of camera).

What I like about the OVF is the unobtrusive nature of composing an image. Its almost like looking through one's own eyes.

cyainparadise · Jan 15, 2012

adi9 said:
dw73 said:

I just saw that the fujifilm x100 uses a 'hybrid' viewfinder which the user can switch from OVF to EVF. Could Sony potentially use this type of technology in one of their FF replacements to the A900?

Just a thought! Options are nice!

Click to expand...

No.If you read the specs of that hibrid viewfinder you will see that the OVF and hybrif mode works with 2 lenses only.For everything else the EVF only is used. In theory it may work with more than 2 prime lenses but it can not work with a zoom lens (not in OVF mode). That is a rangefinder viewfinder not an SLR one.

If the camera were a DSLR, rather than a rangefinder, it probably would work with a zoom lens, in either mode.

liquid stereo · Jan 15, 2012

How is this camera a rangefinder? Its as much a rangefinder as a polaroid instamatic is a rangefinder.
I think all it shares with rangefinders is the shape and appearance.

Am I incorrect?

ET2 · Jan 15, 2012

liquid stereo said:
What I like about the OVF is the unobtrusive nature of composing an image. Its almost like looking through one's own eyes.

Exactly. And that's the problem with the OVF. The image is not taken by the eye. It's taken by the sensor.

cyainparadise · Jan 15, 2012

The camera has a straight thru OVF, that is offset from the axis of the lens. While the camera does away with the focusing of a traditional rangefinder, it does act much like a rangefinder. Just as the A77 is called a SLR, even though it doesn't have the mechanism of a traditional SLR.

By your standards, the A77 isn't a SLR.

Am I incorrect?

Also, since you're being so nick-picky, there is or wasn't such a thing as a 'Polaroid Instamatic'. KODAK made the Instamatic camera.

Am I incorrect?

liquid stereo said:
How is this camera a rangefinder? Its as much a rangefinder as a polaroid instamatic is a rangefinder.
I think all it shares with rangefinders is the shape and appearance.

Am I incorrect?

nemofin · Jan 15, 2012

No. In Nex -> maybe, but in slt, no.

cyainparadise · Jan 15, 2012

The NEX cameras don't have an OVF, so they would have to add one, which would make them like the SLT. And, the NEX cameras don't have room for a OVF, unless they made the cameras more like a rangefinder look. But, I think the OP was suggesting that Sony add a hybrid system to their OVF FF cameras.

nemofin said:
No. In Nex -> maybe, but in slt, no.

liquid stereo · Jan 16, 2012

If would like to refer to any camera that has non-TTL viewing a rangefinder then go ahead.

As for the A77 being a DSLR, I think Sony refers to it as a DSLT.

You're right about the Polaroid - I meant to refer to the type of instant camera Polaroid sold where a photograph was produced right away from/by the camera. That too was not a rangefinder.

The digital rangefinders were/are the Leica M8/M8.2, M9 and Epson RD1.

cyainparadise said:
The camera has a straight thru OVF, that is offset from the axis of the lens. While the camera does away with the focusing of a traditional rangefinder, it does act much like a rangefinder. Just as the A77 is called a SLR, even though it doesn't have the mechanism of a traditional SLR.

By your standards, the A77 isn't a SLR.

Am I incorrect?

Also, since you're being so nick-picky, there is or wasn't such a thing as a 'Polaroid Instamatic'. KODAK made the Instamatic camera.

Am I incorrect?

liquid stereo said:

How is this camera a rangefinder? Its as much a rangefinder as a polaroid instamatic is a rangefinder.
I think all it shares with rangefinders is the shape and appearance.

Am I incorrect?

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TrojMacReady · Jan 16, 2012

liquid stereo said:
If would like to refer to any camera that has non-TTL viewing a rangefinder then go ahead.

As for the A77 being a DSLR, I think Sony refers to it as a DSLT.

Go to their website and read how they still call and categorize DSLT's as DSLR's.

liquid stereo said:
You're right about the Polaroid - I meant to refer to the type of instant camera Polaroid sold where a photograph was produced right away from/by the camera. That too was not a rangefinder.

The digital rangefinders were/are the Leica M8/M8.2, M9 and Epson RD1.

cyainparadise said:

The camera has a straight thru OVF, that is offset from the axis of the lens. While the camera does away with the focusing of a traditional rangefinder, it does act much like a rangefinder. Just as the A77 is called a SLR, even though it doesn't have the mechanism of a traditional SLR.

By your standards, the A77 isn't a SLR.

Am I incorrect?

Also, since you're being so nick-picky, there is or wasn't such a thing as a 'Polaroid Instamatic'. KODAK made the Instamatic camera.

Am I incorrect?

liquid stereo said:

How is this camera a rangefinder? Its as much a rangefinder as a polaroid instamatic is a rangefinder.
I think all it shares with rangefinders is the shape and appearance.

Am I incorrect?

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

TrojMacReady · Jan 16, 2012

dw73 said:
I just saw that the fujifilm x100 uses a 'hybrid' viewfinder which the user can switch from OVF to EVF. Could Sony potentially use this type of technology in one of their FF replacements to the A900?

Just a thought! Options are nice!

How? Another off axis implementation that crops the OVF as you zoom?

A TTL hybrid design isn't going to combine well with SLT and if you drop SLT, you lose AF when using the EVF.

TrojMacReady · Jan 16, 2012

liquid stereo said:
But remember, the only reason Sony got rid of the OVF was for AF in video.
Put the mirror back in there and you have OVF.
Put a AF in the sensor (a la Nikon) and you can have both EVF and OVF.

All for video... I am not sure how a hybrid viewfinder will be "an improvement".

Same old made up stories. Even Sony themselves mentions LV with all its benefits before video as a reason.

nemofin · Jan 16, 2012

The VF in Fuji is nothing like in SLT.
SLT is much more closed to "traditional" DSLR desing, but as we know, not quite.

There is still a mirror, even though not flipping one, and its ment for routing light to AF sensors and the actual imaging sensor.

So in here, no way that fuji "like" hybrid VF would be seen, no way!

But in Nex, you could add the tunnel VF and imlement the "hybrid" mechanism for it. It does not eat much room.

Could Sony FF use a fujifilm x100 style hybrid VF?

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