Overated primes II

People who want primes should buy primes. People who want zooms should buy zooms. Your camera is not a personal statement. Photos are a personal statement. Your camera is a tool. I like to use primes except when I don't, and then I use a zoom. It baffles me that people take this stuff personally.
I use both and don't have an issue. Both have their uses and totally agree.

Danny.
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People who want primes should buy primes. People who want zooms should buy zooms. Your camera is not a personal statement. Photos are a personal statement. Your camera is a tool. I like to use primes except when I don't, and then I use a zoom. It baffles me that people take this stuff personally.
EXACTLY!

I use both primes and zooms. They each have their place. Why limit your options???

-J
 
Who are the "primers"

Can't say I've ever noticed much prime/zoom bashing, except for Louis ever-present search for a fast wide angle, which, based on his work, I can understand.
I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.
Well said, Bob.

Whether primes or zooms, they are just tools, use the one that is appropriate and available. Know the advantages and disadvantages. There is no one size fits all.

But there are always people on every forum fanatical about small and insignificant issues, making ridiculous claims about them incessantly. The foolishness of "primers" on this forum was evident to everybody except themselves.
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Where the vehemence in your post comes from I don't know, but you must care enough about this to revive a month-old thread which itself is a continuation of another thread. In any case, I use zooms and primes. Mostly zooms, these days, except when the light is low or I want to travel really light. But when I have gone for a while using only primes, my mind does tend to see images that fit this frame, and I can capture them in less than half the time it might take for me to find the right framing with a zoom. You can think this is rubbish if you want to, but unless you've shot for a long time with just one or two primes (weeks or more, I'd say), you don't know the value of what you are dismissing.

Of course it's also true that in that same period of time I might have shot an equal number of other images with a zoom that I framed as I was shooting them. But it's simply a choice, not "snobbish" or "FOOLISH" to choose to frame in my mind and then shoot with the focal length of the lens I've trained my eye to see through.

What is snobbish and foolish is to assume that the choices you make are right for everybody -- or even anybody -- else, whether in photography or in any other area of life.
I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.

Here are two of the many negatives of primes, as I see it anyway.

[snip]

2) I have heard some photographers say that you can see shots easier if you consistently use one size prime and you get used to it's field of view. This is rubbish also, as what you are doing subconsciously is mentally forcing the shot to fit into a predetermined cubbyhole, thereby limiting your creativity before you even started visualizing the shot.
 
Well said.
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People who want primes should buy primes. People who want zooms should buy zooms. Your camera is not a personal statement. Photos are a personal statement. Your camera is a tool. I like to use primes except when I don't, and then I use a zoom. It baffles me that people take this stuff personally.
EXACTLY!
I use both primes and zooms. They each have their place. Why limit your options???
You're being entirely too reasonable about this. Overated primes II finally made it to DVD.

Let's max this mutha out so Jere can bring us ...
Overated primes III: Return of the Zoomers
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Where the vehemence in your post comes from I don't know, but you must care enough about this to revive a month-old thread which itself is a continuation of another thread. In any case, I use zooms and primes. Mostly zooms, these days, except when the light is low or I want to travel really light. But when I have gone for a while using only primes, my mind does tend to see images that fit this frame, and I can capture them in less than half the time it might take for me to find the right framing with a zoom. You can think this is rubbish if you want to, but unless you've shot for a long time with just one or two primes (weeks or more, I'd say), you don't know the value of what you are dismissing.

Of course it's also true that in that same period of time I might have shot an equal number of other images with a zoom that I framed as I was shooting them. But it's simply a choice, not "snobbish" or "FOOLISH" to choose to frame in my mind and then shoot with the focal length of the lens I've trained my eye to see through.

What is snobbish and foolish is to assume that the choices you make are right for everybody -- or even anybody -- else, whether in photography or in any other area of life.
I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.

Here are two of the many negatives of primes, as I see it anyway.

[snip]

2) I have heard some photographers say that you can see shots easier if you consistently use one size prime and you get used to it's field of view. This is rubbish also, as what you are doing subconsciously is mentally forcing the shot to fit into a predetermined cubbyhole, thereby limiting your creativity before you even started visualizing the shot.
Nothing wrong with shooting either, but trying to convince people that a fixed focal will make them or force them to become a better photographer is strictly hogwash and anyone with average intelligence knows better.
 
Is that what you think I'm saying?
Where the vehemence in your post comes from I don't know, but you must care enough about this to revive a month-old thread which itself is a continuation of another thread. In any case, I use zooms and primes. Mostly zooms, these days, except when the light is low or I want to travel really light. But when I have gone for a while using only primes, my mind does tend to see images that fit this frame, and I can capture them in less than half the time it might take for me to find the right framing with a zoom. You can think this is rubbish if you want to, but unless you've shot for a long time with just one or two primes (weeks or more, I'd say), you don't know the value of what you are dismissing.

Of course it's also true that in that same period of time I might have shot an equal number of other images with a zoom that I framed as I was shooting them. But it's simply a choice, not "snobbish" or "FOOLISH" to choose to frame in my mind and then shoot with the focal length of the lens I've trained my eye to see through.

What is snobbish and foolish is to assume that the choices you make are right for everybody -- or even anybody -- else, whether in photography or in any other area of life.
I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.

Here are two of the many negatives of primes, as I see it anyway.

[snip]

2) I have heard some photographers say that you can see shots easier if you consistently use one size prime and you get used to it's field of view. This is rubbish also, as what you are doing subconsciously is mentally forcing the shot to fit into a predetermined cubbyhole, thereby limiting your creativity before you even started visualizing the shot.
C
Nothing wrong with shooting either, but trying to convince people that a fixed focal will make them or force them to become a better photographer is strictly hogwash and anyone with average intelligence knows better.
 
Totally agree, I'm not sure how these things even turn into a debate. Prime obviously have there pro's and con's, as do zooms, pick your poison.
I think a lot of acrimony develops when people start posting their opinions in an obnoxious and insulting manner. Then it slides downhill. I've seen plenty of disagreements in other forums where things don't go downhill like so many threads here. It all hinges on the maturity and politeness of the participants.

Debate is fine. It's the boorish behaviour that ruins everything.

larsbc
 
Totally agree, I'm not sure how these things even turn into a debate. Prime obviously have there pro's and con's, as do zooms, pick your poison.
I think a lot of acrimony develops when people start posting their opinions in an obnoxious and insulting manner. Then it slides downhill. I've seen plenty of disagreements in other forums where things don't go downhill like so many threads here. It all hinges on the maturity and politeness of the participants.

Debate is fine. It's the boorish behaviour that ruins everything.

larsbc
This is a prime example of zooming in on the heart of the matter :-)

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I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.
Well said, Bob.

Whether primes or zooms, they are just tools, use the one that is appropriate and available. Know the advantages and disadvantages. There is no one size fits all.

But there are always people on every forum fanatical about small and insignificant issues, making ridiculous claims about them incessantly. The foolishness of "primers" on this forum was evident to everybody except themselves.
 
Good post.
What is snobbish and foolish is to assume that the choices you make are right for everybody -- or even anybody -- else, whether in photography or in any other area of life.
My feelings exactly
I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.

Here are two of the many negatives of primes, as I see it anyway.

[snip]

2) I have heard some photographers say that you can see shots easier if you consistently use one size prime and you get used to it's field of view. This is rubbish also, as what you are doing subconsciously is mentally forcing the shot to fit into a predetermined cubbyhole, thereby limiting your creativity before you even started visualizing the shot.
 
I have used Sony and Nikon gear and I have posted on a lot of different forums, but I have never been into the Four Thirds movement, so this is my first time here.

I say this will all sincerity... you guys have a really good forum here. There are a lot of really nice people here who care about what they do and are typically very polite and helpful in their posts.

It's basically void of the pompous arrogance that I find on so many other forums.

CONGRATULATIONS to all of you. You have a really GREAT group.

Bob from Ohio
 
I should say that Sony is a great group of people also.

Bob from Ohio.
 
Where the vehemence in your post comes from I don't know, but you must care enough about this to revive a month-old thread which itself is a continuation of another thread. In any case, I use zooms and primes. Mostly zooms, these days, except when the light is low or I want to travel really light. But when I have gone for a while using only primes, my mind does tend to see images that fit this frame, and I can capture them in less than half the time it might take for me to find the right framing with a zoom. You can think this is rubbish if you want to, but unless you've shot for a long time with just one or two primes (weeks or more, I'd say), you don't know the value of what you are dismissing.

Of course it's also true that in that same period of time I might have shot an equal number of other images with a zoom that I framed as I was shooting them. But it's simply a choice, not "snobbish" or "FOOLISH" to choose to frame in my mind and then shoot with the focal length of the lens I've trained my eye to see through.

What is snobbish and foolish is to assume that the choices you make are right for everybody -- or even anybody -- else, whether in photography or in any other area of life.
I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.

Here are two of the many negatives of primes, as I see it anyway.

[snip]

2) I have heard some photographers say that you can see shots easier if you consistently use one size prime and you get used to it's field of view. This is rubbish also, as what you are doing subconsciously is mentally forcing the shot to fit into a predetermined cubbyhole, thereby limiting your creativity before you even started visualizing the shot.
C
Nothing wrong with shooting either, but trying to convince people that a fixed focal will make them or force them to become a better photographer is strictly hogwash and anyone with average intelligence knows better.
No not you but several others previous, this is a long thread as you know.
 
OK. You quoted my post so it was unclear.
 
That's clearly what I thought you were suggesting. You weren't???
Where the vehemence in your post comes from I don't know, but you must care enough about this to revive a month-old thread which itself is a continuation of another thread. In any case, I use zooms and primes. Mostly zooms, these days, except when the light is low or I want to travel really light. But when I have gone for a while using only primes, my mind does tend to see images that fit this frame, and I can capture them in less than half the time it might take for me to find the right framing with a zoom. You can think this is rubbish if you want to, but unless you've shot for a long time with just one or two primes (weeks or more, I'd say), you don't know the value of what you are dismissing.

Of course it's also true that in that same period of time I might have shot an equal number of other images with a zoom that I framed as I was shooting them. But it's simply a choice, not "snobbish" or "FOOLISH" to choose to frame in my mind and then shoot with the focal length of the lens I've trained my eye to see through.

What is snobbish and foolish is to assume that the choices you make are right for everybody -- or even anybody -- else, whether in photography or in any other area of life.
I don't know if primes are "overrated", but I will say that there is an insecure, snobbish, and FOOLISH, arrogance that often accompanies the photographer that is a die-hard user of them.

Here are two of the many negatives of primes, as I see it anyway.

[snip]

2) I have heard some photographers say that you can see shots easier if you consistently use one size prime and you get used to it's field of view. This is rubbish also, as what you are doing subconsciously is mentally forcing the shot to fit into a predetermined cubbyhole, thereby limiting your creativity before you even started visualizing the shot.
C
Nothing wrong with shooting either, but trying to convince people that a fixed focal will make them or force them to become a better photographer is strictly hogwash and anyone with average intelligence knows better.
 

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