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Did anyone hear about the new Fuji X-Pro 1, maybe an alternative!

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Zvonimir Tosic said:
limbonaut said:
No haven't used used it, nor has anyone else here. Many who have used the hybrid viewfinder on the x100 have reported mixed feelings. Its clear however that as a purely evf it is not as good as the nex viewfinder. However, its important for people to know that the "hybrid" part of the viewfinder is only available on two (maybe 3) lenses.
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I have used because I have an X100.

And although that camera is not a Pentax DSLR, it's everything else I wanted to experience in a camera. No new system (just a fixed lens), silent, small and ultra-discrete.

OVF is its stellar part, and the ability to control the camera without removing your sight through the OVF is what enhances one's photography taking experience enormously. Also the ability to nail the exposure PERFECTLY every time.

OVF is also brighter and overall better to my eyes than Pentax's pentaprism (K7).
And is almost half the weight of a K7+any lens combo (even DA40).
Image quality is stupendous.

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That's nice, and I like the X100 for many of the reasons you provide here, but the x1 pro is larger, heavier and the hybrid viewfinder will only function on a few of the lenses. Again negating many of the benefits of mirrorless technology.

My point is that while mirrorless cameras are great (I own one) they still do not replace DSLR' for many uses. The x1 pro crosses over some DSLR's (the K5 in particular) in its size dimensions making me ask the question; what am I gaining by going mirrorless via the x1? From what I have seen thus far from the specs there is nothing it does better and has some significant limitations to boot.

I would get an X100 because its smaller, simpler and more discreet, but it would not replace the flexibility and performance of my K5. The X1 doesn't even perform the role the X100 would for me.

I'm not knocking the X1 (just like I would not dare knock Leica rangefinder bodies) but they are not replacements for DSLR's.
 
limbonaut said:
My point is that while mirrorless cameras are great (I own one) they still do not replace DSLR' for many uses. The x1 pro crosses over some DSLR's (the K5 in particular) in its size dimensions making me ask the question; what am I gaining by going mirrorless via the x1? From what I have seen thus far from the specs there is nothing it does better and has some significant limitations to boot.
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It is the same Sony 16MP sensor as the K-5, but with a different color filter and no AA filter. IF (and it is still an IF) Fuji got it right the XP1 will produce sharper cleaner images than the K-5.

The K-5 is 72% thicker and 64% heavier than the XP1.

Mirror-less is not designed to replace DSLRs for every application. They are specialty cameras that meet the needs of certain people. Nobody expects to see Fuji XP1's all over the sidelines of the NFL or World Cup. For a lot of people a camera like an XP1 will do 90% of what they want it to do. Depending on how the AF performs in low-light it could make an excellent wedding or portrait camera. This segment has always been strong for Fuji because of their colors and DR, and Fuji is going back after them.

The XP1 is not a jack-of-all trades like a typical DSLR. It is not meant to be. But until we see IQ and operational performance we will not know if it is a master of any. The design and the lenses are a breath of fresh air.
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Winder said:
limbonaut said:
My point is that while mirrorless cameras are great (I own one) they still do not replace DSLR' for many uses. The x1 pro crosses over some DSLR's (the K5 in particular) in its size dimensions making me ask the question; what am I gaining by going mirrorless via the x1? From what I have seen thus far from the specs there is nothing it does better and has some significant limitations to boot.
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It is the same Sony 16MP sensor as the K-5, but with a different color filter and no AA filter. IF (and it is still an IF) Fuji got it right the XP1 will produce sharper cleaner images than the K-5.

The K-5 is 72% thicker and 64% heavier than the XP1.

Mirror-less is not designed to replace DSLRs for every application. They are specialty cameras that meet the needs of certain people. Nobody expects to see Fuji XP1's all over the sidelines of the NFL or World Cup. For a lot of people a camera like an XP1 will do 90% of what they want it to do. Depending on how the AF performs in low-light it could make an excellent wedding or portrait camera. This segment has always been strong for Fuji because of their colors and DR, and Fuji is going back after them.

The XP1 is not a jack-of-all trades like a typical DSLR. It is not meant to be. But until we see IQ and operational performance we will not know if it is a master of any. The design and the lenses are a breath of fresh air.
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Of course, and that is why the answer to the title of this post is a resounding "no."
 
Given that the X-Pro 1 is not a great deal smaller than the K-5--at least not enough to matter to me--the only compelling reason to consider it would be if the IQ is a quantum leap better. Over on the DPR Fujifilm forum, there is speculation that they used the same Sony 16MP sensor that is in the K-5 and several other currently available cameras. So, unless Fuji was able to work miracles with that sensor, I don't think we should expect miracles with the IQ either.

That said, it is a really cool looking camera that may allow one to have a digital rangefinder-like shooting experience for a lot less money than with an actual digital rangefinder (i.e. Leica). The fact that the X-Pro 1 lacks in-camera image stabilization is a big negative for me. I used a Contax G2 film rangefinder for 5 years, and I know that it is possible to hold such a camera steady for ridiculously long shutter times, but not nearly as long as with IS/SR. Having done it both ways, I know this to be true.

Rob
 
NorthwestF said:
The X-Pro1's price will be around $1700, with lenses in the $650 region ...

LOL ..

I don't think it's going to a big seller at those prices.
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Really?

K-5 at release date: $1600 US.
Lens prices today:
DA 21mm f/3.2: $650 US
DA 35mm f/2.8: $700 US
DA 70mm f/2.4: $700 US
(all retail prices from Pentax imaging)

So I fail to see your argument. Especially when the Fuji lenses offer larger apertures for similar money (if they really are around $650).

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viking79 said:
viking79 said:
The X-Pro1's price will be around $1700, with lenses in the $650 region ...

LOL ..

I don't think it's going to a big seller at those prices.
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Really?

K-5 at release date: $1600 US.
Lens prices today:
DA 21mm f/3.2: $650 US
DA 35mm f/2.8: $700 US
DA 70mm f/2.4: $700 US
(all retail prices from Pentax imaging)
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I don't think the K-5 was a big seller at that price either, and there are cheaper lens choices as well.

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There are just so many choices now that its getting ridiculous.

Q.....Nex3, 5 , 7, 9, 11..........Oly....X1......N1.......J1.......

Pick a colour, sensor size, lens range, price, something that can be operated from your smart phone, cook your dinner, do your washing and give you a massage at the end of the day...............its getting pointless to argue the difference!!!

I do agree with those people who state the K5 as a DSLR is not much bigger than most of these mirrorless on offer and what makes Pentax stand out a little. What really is the point of Nex etc, with those big lenses? in terms of small size?.........they are obviously great cameras and take awesome pictures......but this shows me again and again, that Pentax got the concept right with the Q in terms of small size. Now the other manufacturers are being criticized for market entry price as well....go figure !!! Same criticism.

At the end of the day, what ever brand and what ever size and colour floats your boat and puts a smile on your face while your carrying it, then just buy the damn things and get shooting. We are so spoilt for choice, there are no bad cameras out there.
 
I think the XP1 will be a pretty big seller for Fuji. It is not priced to be a high volume item. Fuji will sell all they can make.
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Charles2 said:
What is a compelling reason for a K-5 owner to buy into the whole new X-mount system? The K-5 image quality exceeds my ability as a photographer....
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It won't appeal to all... but the concept has some real appeal as a reportage/street camera.

Especially as this one doesn't have the 'EXR' dual resolution nonsense of its predecessors.
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Robgo2 said:
Over on the DPR Fujifilm forum, there is speculation that they used the same Sony 16MP sensor that is in the K-5 and several other currently available cameras.
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This is probably incorrect. It's a different sensor made by Fuji
 
Winder said:
limbonaut said:
My point is that while mirrorless cameras are great (I own one) they still do not replace DSLR' for many uses. The x1 pro crosses over some DSLR's (the K5 in particular) in its size dimensions making me ask the question; what am I gaining by going mirrorless via the x1? From what I have seen thus far from the specs there is nothing it does better and has some significant limitations to boot.
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It is the same Sony 16MP sensor as the K-5, but with a different color filter and no AA filter.
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That's not true ... at least don't make claims like that without evidence.

Fuji has explicitly stated in several interviews the sensor was designed exclusively by them (and not just the color filter).
 
No need for the Fuji... K-5 with the Limiteds is the perfect, smallest and most portable camera system. But it´s great to see someone else (not Canikon) do cameras, that will give a push to the market
 
ET2 said:
Robgo2 said:
Over on the DPR Fujifilm forum, there is speculation that they used the same Sony 16MP sensor that is in the K-5 and several other currently available cameras.
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This is probably incorrect. It's a different sensor made by Fuji
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I don't personally have definitive information on the origin of the sensor, but this thread from the Fujifilm forum raises doubts that it is a Fuji product.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=40286847

It is quite possible that Fuji took the superb Sony sensor and tweaked it in a unique fashion to produce superior IQ. We shall see.

Rob
 
Charles2 said:
The X-Pro 1 might be a way for owners of Leica glass to use a real digital camera, which the Leica M8 is not and which the M9 might be but costs more than $5,000. The Fuji X system is not likely to be cheap (Luminous Landscape guesses $1700 list for the body), and a rather special hence expensive M-mount adapter from Fuji will be necessary to use Leica glass.
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Have you shot with an M8? It is most certainly a "real digital camera."

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ET2 said:
Winder said:
limbonaut said:
My point is that while mirrorless cameras are great (I own one) they still do not replace DSLR' for many uses. The x1 pro crosses over some DSLR's (the K5 in particular) in its size dimensions making me ask the question; what am I gaining by going mirrorless via the x1? From what I have seen thus far from the specs there is nothing it does better and has some significant limitations to boot.
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It is the same Sony 16MP sensor as the K-5, but with a different color filter and no AA filter.
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That's not true ... at least don't make claims like that without evidence.

Fuji has explicitly stated in several interviews the sensor was designed exclusively by them (and not just the color filter).
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I am pretty sure that is the case. It is Sony silicon that Fuji is finishing out to their specifications. Just like what Nikon has been doing for years. You think it is a coincidence that the Fuji 12MP in the X100 is so close to the 12MP Sony and the new 16MP that has come out now that the 16MP Sony has come to market?

Fuji is finishing out their sensors just like Nikon and Pentax.
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jpfisher said:
Have you shot with an M8? It is most certainly a "real digital camera."
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Yes, I have used an M8. The phrase was shorthand for its problems: needs an IR cutoff filter for every lens or else you get uncurable magentas on foliage in shade among other subjects; takes so-o-o long to store a shot as a raw file on the SD card, almost as bad as a Sigma DP2; too much noise at moderate ISO levels; tiny LCD review screen. Plus a few operational quirks. Yes, it is a digital camera with all that.

You can certainly get beautiful shots with an M8 if you have the patience. (I hope this one qualifies: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41790885@N08/5948028085/sizes/l/in/photostream/ ) Too bad the camera behind M-mount glass demands so much.
 
I bet it'll cost a lot. And won't offer any 400mm lenses for birding.

All these new mounts are bound to produce a shakeout; I just hope the K mount isn't one of the losers, at least not any time soon.

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paulkienitz said:
I bet it'll cost a lot. And won't offer any 400mm lenses for birding.

All these new mounts are bound to produce a shakeout; I just hope the K mount isn't one of the losers, at least not any time soon.

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discards: DA 50-200 "zipper", F 100-300, Sigma 135-400 "piglet", M 400/5.6 "the Great Truncheon"
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For this body you are probably right, but there will be other bodies for the new X-mount system. Maybe even a GH-2 styled X-mount which would be great for longer glass.

Think of this as a new system, not just a new camera. There will be different bodies for different purposes. While all the lenses will work on all bodies, some bodies will be targeted towards different users. I would guess there would be 3 bodies in the system by this time next year.
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For me, I'm not going to start taking any new mount seriously until they start selling nonobvious niche-market lenses for it, such as supertelephotos. Anything without that support is just going to be a compact-upgrade consumer product. So far all of the mirrorless mounts are essentially ignoring the pro/sports/wildlife market, except by offering adapters. Panny seems to have the nearest thing to a complete lineup, probably because they don't have mirrored-mount lenses to put on an adapter, as Oly and Sony do. Entering that kind of more difficult market will be a sign that a mount is really making headway in acceptance and utility.

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keepers: K10D, Sig 17-70, DA 55-300, FA 50/1.4 "Billy Bass"

discards: DA 50-200 "zipper", F 100-300, Sigma 135-400 "piglet", M 400/5.6 "the Great Truncheon"
 
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