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AF Focus Video demo for X-pro1 from a Vietnamere reviewer.

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rob78 wrote:

... is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about.

Unbelievable.
Unless your camera has a real manual focus, then it's all about autofocus.
Seriously, and I am not trolling here, what is Fuji thinking?
 
Yohan Pamudji said:
Ugh, awful. I'm suddenly no longer interested in the X-Pro1. What a shame that they can't nail down such a basic function of a modern camera. What good is all the image quality and build quality in the world if the camera can't nail the shot before the shot disappears? I wasn't expecting 1D/D3 level AF, but I was expecting something reasonably competent, which this is not.
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Exactly. All system today are great in IQ and have great lenses. Even entry level gear can produce proffesional quality, eve with kit lenses, if used and PP properly.

But there are stll many things that set the apart. And probably the most important one is focus. Fuji focus seems the worst when compared to any system today. And thrir manual focus does not work. I had so high hopes for the new Fiji system, they are masters in IQ and innovation department, too bad.
 
That's too bad. Biggest frustration with the X100 is not "slow" autofocus so much as failure to focus -- same as seen at 5:12 in the video. Puzzling that Fuji hasn't improved it.

But it's still pre-production.

Thanks for posting this link.
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Hi,
Tee1up said:
rob78 wrote:

... is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about.

Unbelievable.
Unless your camera has a real manual focus, then it's all about autofocus.
Seriously, and I am not trolling here, what is Fuji thinking?
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Well, I have to agree. I don´t complain much about X-100 AF. I have the luck to live in a well lighted place :-) But some times I just want MF and X-100 is a bit of a pain on that, you can´t even rub the focus ring accidentaly or it goes off ... etc. etc... best option is to use AF and AEL/AFL as a on/off switch to AF-L only. If X100 had a good MF it would be an almost perfect camera.

Those X-100 cameras on videos, are they final? in fact, the focus (or atempts) on X-Pro 1 on that video looks very like my X-100, not faster or better ...apparentely...

If one has a good MF system, AF works as a Bonus. Focus is together with exposure and composition on of the major keys of photographic experience, not demoted to a secondary role...

My 2 cents
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Photohobbyfun said:
rob78 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/01/fujifilm-x-pro-1-hands-on-intoxicatingly-simple/
Gizmodo hands-on. Note this quote

"The camera’s one drawback, and Fuji has told us that this will be the case on the production models, is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about. Fine, but it’s going to annoy the hell out of you if you’re used to a good point-and-shoot camera or DSLR."

oh dear..
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This is camera is targeted at pro's though and pro's don't need fast autofocus.
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I hope that was tongue in cheek.
 
Yohan Pamudji said:
Photohobbyfun said:
rob78 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/01/fujifilm-x-pro-1-hands-on-intoxicatingly-simple/
Gizmodo hands-on. Note this quote

"The camera’s one drawback, and Fuji has told us that this will be the case on the production models, is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about. Fine, but it’s going to annoy the hell out of you if you’re used to a good point-and-shoot camera or DSLR."

oh dear..
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This is camera is targeted at pro's though and pro's don't need fast autofocus.
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I hope that was tongue in cheek.
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They also say "Fuji tells us it’ll cost about $US2400."..... That is a lot more than anyone else is reporting. Makes me wonder how accurate this report is.

The Fuji rep in one video said it was very fast. Much faster than the X100.
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Winder said:
Yohan Pamudji said:
Photohobbyfun said:
rob78 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/01/fujifilm-x-pro-1-hands-on-intoxicatingly-simple/
Gizmodo hands-on. Note this quote

"The camera’s one drawback, and Fuji has told us that this will be the case on the production models, is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about. Fine, but it’s going to annoy the hell out of you if you’re used to a good point-and-shoot camera or DSLR."

oh dear..
Click to expand...
This is camera is targeted at pro's though and pro's don't need fast autofocus.
Click to expand...
I hope that was tongue in cheek.
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They also say "Fuji tells us it’ll cost about $US2400."..... That is a lot more than anyone else is reporting. Makes me wonder how accurate this report is.

The Fuji rep in one video said it was very fast. Much faster than the X100.
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Faster than the X100 isn't saying much.
 
Yohan Pamudji said:
Photohobbyfun said:
rob78 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/01/fujifilm-x-pro-1-hands-on-intoxicatingly-simple/
Gizmodo hands-on. Note this quote

"The camera’s one drawback, and Fuji has told us that this will be the case on the production models, is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about. Fine, but it’s going to annoy the hell out of you if you’re used to a good point-and-shoot camera or DSLR."

oh dear..
Click to expand...
This is camera is targeted at pro's though and pro's don't need fast autofocus.
Click to expand...
I hope that was tongue in cheek.
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Haha yes it was.
Winder said:
Yohan Pamudji said:
Photohobbyfun said:
rob78 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/01/fujifilm-x-pro-1-hands-on-intoxicatingly-simple/
Gizmodo hands-on. Note this quote

"The camera’s one drawback, and Fuji has told us that this will be the case on the production models, is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about. Fine, but it’s going to annoy the hell out of you if you’re used to a good point-and-shoot camera or DSLR."

oh dear..
Click to expand...
This is camera is targeted at pro's though and pro's don't need fast autofocus.
Click to expand...
I hope that was tongue in cheek.
Click to expand...
They also say "Fuji tells us it’ll cost about $US2400."..... That is a lot more than anyone else is reporting. Makes me wonder how accurate this report is.

The Fuji rep in one video said it was very fast. Much faster than the X100.
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Fuji guys also said the X100 had fast autofocusing. These are Fujifilm employees and they are paid to advertise the camera, of course they are going to say positive things, unless they slip up of course.

We'll have to wait for production firmware and for reviewers to get their hands on the camera before we can come to any real conclusions.

As for the $2400 price tag, that may be the price with the 35mm 1.4 lens. The rumors are that the body will be $1700 and the lenses will be $650. So you're looking at a $50 discount for buying the kit.

I get the feeling, that the X-Pro1 is not going to be the runaway hit that Fujifilm is expecting. An X100 at $1200 doesn't seem too bad. But a $1700 body with quirky firmware and poor autofocus seems less attractive than a fixed lens camera that will supplement a system.
 
Photohobbyfun said:
Yohan Pamudji said:
Photohobbyfun said:
rob78 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/01/fujifilm-x-pro-1-hands-on-intoxicatingly-simple/
Gizmodo hands-on. Note this quote

"The camera’s one drawback, and Fuji has told us that this will be the case on the production models, is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about. Fine, but it’s going to annoy the hell out of you if you’re used to a good point-and-shoot camera or DSLR."

oh dear..
Click to expand...
This is camera is targeted at pro's though and pro's don't need fast autofocus.
Click to expand...
I hope that was tongue in cheek.
Click to expand...
Haha yes it was.
Winder said:
Yohan Pamudji said:
Photohobbyfun said:
rob78 said:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/01/fujifilm-x-pro-1-hands-on-intoxicatingly-simple/
Gizmodo hands-on. Note this quote

"The camera’s one drawback, and Fuji has told us that this will be the case on the production models, is that the autofocus isn’t going to be as snappy as it is on other cameras. Fuji says thats because that’s not what this camera is about. Fine, but it’s going to annoy the hell out of you if you’re used to a good point-and-shoot camera or DSLR."

oh dear..
Click to expand...
This is camera is targeted at pro's though and pro's don't need fast autofocus.
Click to expand...
I hope that was tongue in cheek.
Click to expand...
They also say "Fuji tells us it’ll cost about $US2400."..... That is a lot more than anyone else is reporting. Makes me wonder how accurate this report is.

The Fuji rep in one video said it was very fast. Much faster than the X100.
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Fuji guys also said the X100 had fast autofocusing. These are Fujifilm employees and they are paid to advertise the camera, of course they are going to say positive things, unless they slip up of course.

We'll have to wait for production firmware and for reviewers to get their hands on the camera before we can come to any real conclusions.

As for the $2400 price tag, that may be the price with the 35mm 1.4 lens. The rumors are that the body will be $1700 and the lenses will be $650. So you're looking at a $50 discount for buying the kit.

I get the feeling, that the X-Pro1 is not going to be the runaway hit that Fujifilm is expecting. An X100 at $1200 doesn't seem too bad. But a $1700 body with quirky firmware and poor autofocus seems less attractive than a fixed lens camera that will supplement a system.
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The person talking to the Fuji Rep is an X100 owner and stated that the AF appears faster than the X100. That is when the Fuji rep replies that it is much faster.

I agree we need to wait for reviews to see if this camera will be a success. The NEX-7 body sells for $1,200 + -. I don't think Fuji can sell the body for more than that and be successful. It might be another buggy Fuji camera.

The flip side is that the Zeiss 24mm f/1.4 sells for $1,000 and if the Fuji lenses sell for $600.00ish the saving on glass might be worth it. We need to see how good the lenses are.

I think it is too early for people to make any opinions about the camera.
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http://www.prophotocoalition.com/index.php/dcarr/story/hands_on_impressions_of_the_fuji_x-pro_1

here's a review. not great news about MF:

"1/3 stop increments on the aperture is a nice addition but the focus-by-wire system still leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion. You just feel so disconnected from the camera when you use it in that way."

and similar thought on AF:

"I experimented with the speed of the AF system as best I could in the booth and it seems to be considerably improved upon the X100’s which was or still is the worst of any camera I’ve ever owned. Despite the obvious improvements though it still falls way shot of the AF speed and accuracy achieved by Sony in the NEX-7 and Panasonic with the GX1"

As an x100 owner, this is disappointing news, and I'm reluctant to invest in a lens system that just doesn't respond as you'd want it to.
 
So whats with the picture freeze as it acquires focus!!??

That looks more concerning to me than any point about speed...
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The thing is, the camera was in Macro focusing mode in the beginning of the focus test, when it hunted and failed to focus. You can see him turn it off at around 4:52. After that, it still failed to focus sometimes, but then again, I've seen similar performance out of the NEX-5 where it failed to focus on low-contrast targets. The performance wasn't class-leading, but I'd say that with proper technique you'll get the shot more often than not.
Tee1up said:
The red box occurs when he is shooting at low contrast areas, the same AF issue inherent in the x100. Also, 2 meters is not considered a macro distance. Pick up any other $1700 (or less) camera and you will not be dealing with this kind of problem excepting the x100 of course.

I guess we will really have to wait for some real reviews from DPR and others to get a real sense of whether or not AF is a shortcoming on this camera.
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toanster said:
Here's a video demo from a vietnam review.

His verdict was - The AF focus on the X-pro1 is faster than the x100, but slower than the X10

watch demo at 4:50 in.
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WoW that is a slow AF. :-(
 
Carsten Pauer 2 said:
WoW that is a slow AF. :-(
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They're also in a dimly lit room focusing at things no sane person would even want to take a photo of.

"Hey, let's test out the AF buying aiming the camera at dimly lit random spots as rapidly as possible"

That type of test doesn't tell me a thing. I want to see a test where a photographer composes an actual frame, just like you'd do in real life, then press the shutter. My E-P1, Panasonic G1, Nex-3, and NEX-5n would have also all failed that test as also....yet by blind luck or magic I somehow still managed to get nice pics with all of those cameras.

Look, I'm not expecting Nikon D3 speed out of this camera, and neither should anyone else, but let's wait until we see some real world testing by trusted source before jumping off a cliff. Even if this camera doesn't match the E-P3 (and it probably won't), that is not going to prevent it at all from being a great travel camera, reportage camera, landscape camera, architecture camera, urban camera, street camera, and portrait camera...in short, JUST the camera I want. However, if blazing speed is what you are after then it's probably best that you give up on that dream now and move along.
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That lag stuttering would drive me crazy. Even more than the slow and inaccurate focus.
 
tulo said:
A traditional rangefinder is certainly not the fastest focusing method, but one of the more accurate and reliable under almost any condition...
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Hmmm. I used a medium format rangefinder as my main camera for a decade or so. There's a reason why people resort to setting approximate focus on rangefinders and then hoping that depth of field will help them to get their subject somewhere in the zone that is relatively sharp. The X-Pro1 should easily best the speed of that technique, and I suspect it will also provide more accuracy than I could achieve by superimposing two images in my viewfinder.
 
Art Vandelay II said:
but let's wait until we see some real world testing by trusted source before jumping off a cliff.
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I think there is no one more left there can "jumping of a cliff".
There are already jumped...
Art Vandelay II said:
Even if this camera doesn't match the E-P3 (and it probably won't), that is not going to prevent it at all from being a great travel camera, reportage camera, landscape camera, architecture camera, urban camera, street camera, and portrait camera...in short, JUST the camera I want.
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Yes there You want.
Art Vandelay II said:
However, if blazing speed is what you are after then it's probably best that you give up on that dream now and move along.
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Yeah some People don't want Advance...
...go Your Way and i go my own Way...
 
Carsten Pauer 2 said:
Yeah some People don't want Advance...
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Who doesn't want advanced AF? I certainly do, I however can live without it. If you're seeking perfection in a camera that is a very futile search at this point in time. I'd love to have a Nikon D4 sensor packed into an X-Pro1 body that uses the Nikon V1's AF system, and the Sony OLED EVF...but that's not going to happen anytime soon. For now I will just work around whatever weakness a camera has.
Member said:
...go Your Way and i go my own Way...
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Sounds like you made the right choice for yourself.
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