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PAUL TILL said:
I was wondering if the reason dpreview is stalling on the full review of the X10 was because they are owned by Amazon. If Amazon has 10,000 units sitting in their warehouse waiting to be sold, would they not instruct dpreview to hold off on their review knowing the various issues would damage sales?
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TBH I find the user reports and reports from users on these forums much more informative than any reviews on any site, and that's the real reason why most of us are here.....

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I have some questions about the logic in this query. Whenever most people question amazon/dpreview relationship, it seems they act more like Amazon is the camera store down the street rather than the multi billion dollar warehouse store it is. For one thing, high end electronics may add to sales but not so much for profit. A pack of pencils may cost 25 cent to make and then is sold for $3. Huge profit margin. Really high end electronics are made with expensive parts and often multiple factories. The increased costs mean the cost of making a tv or camera will be a lot closer to retail costs than say a pencil or, say, a shirt. So the more retailers mark down the less profit they make. Which is how a store like amazon or walmart(where I work) can sell a $2000 tv and not make a lot of profit on it. I would thinkthat amazon makes more in both sales AND profit from their kindle ebooks, which cost very little to make and maintain and yet still inexplicable sell for full retail price.

Which brings me to my second part. Sometimes I think amazon sells everything under the sun. Books, food, furniture, jewlery, coffins (!), electronics, housewares, lawn and garden stuff. So, out of all the millions of things they sell, you would have to narrow it down to just electronics, then just to the thousand models of cameras they sell, then to the x10 in particular, then to the buyers of the x10 who would refuse to buy it because of WDS (and we've seen from just ftf that some buyers still buy/and are happy with it even knowing about the problem), then narrow it down to the potential buyers who would refuse to buy based on dpreview, then out of the buyers you have left factor how those lost sales/profit would affect amazon's bottom line relative the millions of other things they sell. I find it hard to believe the potential loss would be enough for amazon to bring pressure on dpreview.
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AdAstra09 said:
I have some questions about the logic in this query. Whenever most people question amazon/dpreview relationship, it seems they act more like Amazon is the camera store down the street rather than the multi billion dollar warehouse store it is. For one thing, high end electronics may add to sales but not so much for profit.
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If there is no profit in them why sell them?

If I go see my friend who is the manager of a high end AV store I pay trade so I know just how much profit they are making, I usually come away with a smile on my face. :P

Paul.
 
Of course there is profit. There is just not as much profit on electronics vs other things that's all I'm saying. And what about the rest of my argument? Do u honestly think that some missed sales on one camera out of millions of items is causing amazon CEO's to waste time pressuring dpreview. Talk about a poor allocation of resources...
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PAUL TILL said:
AdAstra09 said:
I have some questions about the logic in this query. Whenever most people question amazon/dpreview relationship, it seems they act more like Amazon is the camera store down the street rather than the multi billion dollar warehouse store it is. For one thing, high end electronics may add to sales but not so much for profit.
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If there is no profit in them why sell them?

If I go see my friend who is the manager of a high end AV store I pay trade so I know just how much profit they are making, I usually come away with a smile on my face. :P

Paul.
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On cameras margins are painfully slim (unless you can sell at RRP, which no one does).
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Simon Joinson said:
On cameras margins are painfully slim (unless you can sell at RRP, which no one does).
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Do camera stores eventually take a loss on their stock?

Let's take my Fuji F200EXR as an example, when I purchased it, it was £350, the last few in the same shop were on sale for £125.

I'm not in the trade so don't know but I would presume they are either still making a profit or just breaking even. So that would mean the F200EXR had a £225 profit in it at the beginning.

A few of weeks ago my X10 was £529 now it's already down to £425, that's in just a few weeks, they are still making a profit and I can guarantee it will be £300 or less in not so many more weeks.

Paul.
 
Simon Joinson said:
On cameras margins are painfully slim (unless you can sell at RRP, which no one does).
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I also remember buying the Olympus E3 + Zuiko 12-60mm lens from Jessops.

Now if you purchased the E3 body it was £1099 and the Zuiko Digital ED 12-60mm was £630 that's £1729.00 for the pair if purchased separately.

Here's the crunch, if you purchased them together as a package it was only £799 or £899 can't remember exactly. A lot of people were buying the body + lens and selling either the lens or body depending on what they wanted, thus making what they kept, E3 body or the Zuiko 12-60mm only about £100 after selling the bit they never wanted.

You can't tell me there was no profit or very little in those items when sold individually.

Paul.
 
When people tell you the sun is differnt from the moon or that grass is green, it is not a conspiracy, just a simple statement of fact. You say you don't work in trade (which I assume is retail) well I do and I am telling you 1) sales and profit are two differnt things 2) and televisions and cameras have very little profit margin compared to things like makeup, socks, pencils, organic fruit, etc. They have great sales potential but not great profit potential. Which is not the same as saying no profit, just that there is a lot less margin gor error. In addition electronics and cameras have far smaller life than say, organic brown eggs. You can be pretty sure that organic brown eggs will still sell @ a premium two years from now, while x10 prices, popularity, and profits will have plummeted. Also, I can tell you it is possible for retail stores to sell things @ a loss when it nears the end of the sale life. Last august, our store home office handed down so many markdowns our sales soared but our profits plummeted. That's not conspiracy, just fact.
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PAUL TILL said:
Simon Joinson said:
On cameras margins are painfully slim (unless you can sell at RRP, which no one does).
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Do camera stores eventually take a loss on their stock?

Let's take my Fuji F200EXR as an example, when I purchased it, it was £350, the last few in the same shop were on sale for £125.

I'm not in the trade so don't know
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PAUL TILL said:
but I would presume they are either still making a profit or just breaking even. So that would mean the F200EXR had a £225 profit in it at the beginning.
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or maybe things don't work like that....
PAUL TILL said:
A few of weeks ago my X10 was £529 now it's already down to £425, that's in just a few weeks, they are still making a profit and I can guarantee it will be £300 or less in not so many more weeks.
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1) retailers don't buy all their stock at the same time
2) the wholesale price falls over time

3) manufactures offer rebate schemes to protect retailers from being stuck with overpriced stock as prices fall

Seriously, stick to stuff you know about.
Simon
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That must have hurt, Paul.

As on outsider to the industry, it sure feels like the welcome mat's been pulled.
Simon Joinson said:
PAUL TILL said:
Simon Joinson said:
On cameras margins are painfully slim (unless you can sell at RRP, which no one does).
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Do camera stores eventually take a loss on their stock?

Let's take my Fuji F200EXR as an example, when I purchased it, it was £350, the last few in the same shop were on sale for £125.

I'm not in the trade so don't know
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This is the key phrase here
Simon Joinson said:
but I would presume they are either still making a profit or just breaking even. So that would mean the F200EXR had a £225 profit in it at the beginning.
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or maybe things don't work like that....
Simon Joinson said:
A few of weeks ago my X10 was £529 now it's already down to £425, that's in just a few weeks, they are still making a profit and I can guarantee it will be £300 or less in not so many more weeks.
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1) retailers don't buy all their stock at the same time
2) the wholesale price falls over time

3) manufactures offer rebate schemes to protect retailers from being stuck with overpriced stock as prices fall

Seriously, stick to stuff you know about.
Simon
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dpreview.com
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