Hump Haters Unite!

The thing I miss most about my L1 when I pick up my GH2 is the bounce flash. There have been a few times when doing interior candids that I have chosen the L1 over the GH2 just for that reason. The humplessness of the L1 is attractive, yes, but the usefuless of the bounce flash is even more attractive.

Sterling
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I am not a fan of the hump, and I do prefer the "RF style" but I've got bigger concerns in my life. I'll let others rail on aesthetic issues.
We should all start bitching now about the coming Oly OM based camera having an EVF, but in the middle and with a hump.

C'mon, let it out. Then when it's released we can discuss other pertinent things like it's new sensor- or lack thereof.
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I hate the small size of the PENs and the GFs. Can't stand it, doesn't fit right in my hands. I much prefer the GH body style.
 
I love all camera types as long as they have good iso performance and there are fast lenses that one can use with them. I would strongly advise all hump haters, who have not yet looked through the viewfinder of an OM 1, to do so.
 
What about those of us who are left-eye dominant? Or worse, like me, have a significant defect in the right eye. How about a movement for a mirror image version. Maybe the Americans with Disabilities Act can help?
 
We should all start bitching now about the coming Oly OM based camera having an EVF, but in the middle and with a hump.
The original OM was a superb piece of product design, and Olympus will augment the fit and finish to a new level. Be sure that the old prism housing will be put to good function. If you don't like "humps", there are plenty of bodies for sale without.
C'mon, let it out. Then when it's released we can discuss other pertinent things like it's new sensor- or lack thereof.
It wont be the 'lack thereof' that you'll be discussing in this case.
 
What about those of us who are left-eye dominant? Or worse, like me, have a significant defect in the right eye. How about a movement for a mirror image version. Maybe the Americans with Disabilities Act can help?
those of you who are left eye dominant.

The ADA doesn't apply to the Internet!

Virtual Land of the Free, Home of the Ignorant!

TEdolph
 
I find I never take the EVF off my GF1, so why not get one with it built in? But I'm not crazy about the dipped-in-melted-plastic mini DSLR look.

I hope Panny eventually comes out with a "Rangefinder" style camera with built in EVF. If they are listening they will.

But I am excited for the OM styled camera. I expect it will be all shiny metal goodness like the EPs. When the OM-1 came out I was working in a photo studio, just out of High School. It was hard to decide between it and the Nikon FM I ended up getting. Often regretted the decision. Now I will jump on it.

We are lucky I think. We can choose between many body styles by two makers. It's not like ALL our options look like a credit card taped on the bottom of a beer can! And Samsung (who I had high hopes for) are struggling with low sales, delaying release of the NX20, and moving manufacturing to China. The new Fuji interests me, but as a second system at most- if not plagued with bugs like the X100. And the new Oly could easily steal away my affection.
 
What about those of us who are left-eye dominant? Or worse, like me, have a significant defect in the right eye. How about a movement for a mirror image version. Maybe the Americans with Disabilities Act can help?
those of you who are left eye dominant.

The ADA doesn't apply to the Internet!

Virtual Land of the Free, Home of the Ignorant!
You don't have any bandits left? We could lend you some :)

Am.

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I don't really hate humps, but I would love to see a PEN with built in EVF.
There are plenty of humps out there, if anyone want them.
Give us a choice.

Tom
 
I don't mind things that look like an OMI. The Panasonic hump makes it look like a bottom of the range Nikon dSLR, which I hate.

There's a clue in this OM stuff. It can't look like an OM if it has a hole in the front for a VF, so somehow it is getting light through the lens up into the VF. How? Dunno.

As I have loudly said, I think all sensors are fine these days, but even so I'm not paying big bucks for another iteration of Oly's aged Panny sensor.

I get the feeling I'm not going to like this camera. An OVF is no big deal to me, I don't want the size and weight I suspect it will bring, I have a nasty feeling it will be the old sensor, and the very slow zoom they have made which sounds like the kit lens makes me the whole thing will be pretty cheap and nasty.

But hey, who knows? Low expectations are good, right?
We should all start bitching now about the coming Oly OM based camera having an EVF, but in the middle and with a hump.

C'mon, let it out. Then when it's released we can discuss other pertinent things like it's new sensor- or lack thereof.
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And the looks really don't matter much to functionality anyhow maybe...to a degree.
Hallelujah! Someone with some common sense.
... let us not forget the quotation that "So called common sense is often in reality nothing more than common prejudice."

There may be a prize waiting for someone who can correctly attribute that quotation, as long as they also remember to change the Subject line to something appropriate.

One of the virtues of this forum is that it encourages a wide range of views rather than just those we agree with.
 
I still have my OM2. They have interchangeable backs. I would like a 4/3 sized digital back for my OM. I could draw framing lines on the focus screen. You could tuck the electronics into the space where the film canister sits. Don't know where to stick the battery, though.

I know, ain't gonna happen. I sure like my OM, but I sure don't like 35mm film any more. (I still shoot 120 film on occasion.)
Like many ideas this one is not new. Back in the early days of digital photography it seemed like a natural moneyspinner to do this. See:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2002/9/19/siliconfilmagain

This did not fly 10 years ago because it was incredibly complex to create reliably.

Much as some of us appreciate the flexibility of being able to use 'legacy' lenses on our m43 camera bodies, many of these lenses were never designed to focus light rays onto sensors at the optimal angles, unlike those specifically designed for this format.
 
The center position of the VF is by far superior to a clumsy sideways position. The hump is an ideal place a large build in flash, and lower shoulders are good places for reachable controls. As the Fuji X-Pro 1 shows, rangefinders with build-in, large enough view finders are not necessarily the more compact body design.

Rangefinder is not the panacea of mirrorless. Hump designs should be implemented alternatives. It was good that m4/3 started with a humped camera, the G1.
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Thomas
 
I have always said I would rather be a "Surprised Pessimist" than a "Disappointed Optimist".

Once you peel away the hyperbole, all Olympus has said it that they are coming out with an m4/3 compatible camera with a "New/Different/Better" VF. (choose one of the 3)

The sensor was NOT mentioned.

I expect they will do what they have said.
No more/No less.

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In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane.
Oscar Wilde
 
Personally, I like the hump. If this new M4/3rds camera doesn't have a hump with an EVF then I'll pass. And hopefully it will have in body OIS. Likewise, if the rumored Panasonic GH3 comes out without a hump I'll also look elsewhere. The retro rangefinder look just doesn't work for me. And the never ending shrinking down of these cameras is baffling. At some point they become too small to comfortably handle.
 
Why should Olympus lose sales of a flagship m43 body to the left-eye dominant (about 1/4 to 1/3 of the world's population), only to placate those that prefer form over function?

Show of hands, please - How many of the left-eye dominant are tempted to buy an NEX7 after trying to use its EVF?

Folks, get a photo vest - or any jacket or coat with bigger pockets if you want an Oly "E-OM" to fit in a pocket.

Otherwise, continue to wait for the "E-35RC".

Those of you who are right-eye dominant - The ADA doesn't rule the internet, or the marketplace, but money does.

Best regards,
Lou
What about those of us who are left-eye dominant? Or worse, like me, have a significant defect in the right eye. How about a movement for a mirror image version. Maybe the Americans with Disabilities Act can help?
those of you who are left eye dominant.

The ADA doesn't apply to the Internet!

Virtual Land of the Free, Home of the Ignorant!

TEdolph
 
No expectations is right.
There is nothing to support any expectations about "OlyOM-like" M43 camera.
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I still have my OM2. They have interchangeable backs. I would like a 4/3 sized digital back for my OM. I could draw framing lines on the focus screen. You could tuck the electronics into the space where the film canister sits. Don't know where to stick the battery, though.

I know, ain't gonna happen. I sure like my OM, but I sure don't like 35mm film any more. (I still shoot 120 film on occasion.)
Like many ideas this one is not new. Back in the early days of digital photography it seemed like a natural moneyspinner to do this. See:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2002/9/19/siliconfilmagain

This did not fly 10 years ago because it was incredibly complex to create reliably.

Much as some of us appreciate the flexibility of being able to use 'legacy' lenses on our m43 camera bodies, many of these lenses were never designed to focus light rays onto sensors at the optimal angles, unlike those specifically designed for this format.
It is somewhat strange how certain legacy lenses seem to work well, and some are really, really bad in this regard (I've had a really bad one, and some really good). While it's true that the sensor is smaller than film, and to a degree I think that in itself helps some, since much of the peripheral highly angled light is lost with the crop factor. At low wide apertures, haliation can be noticed on some of the legacy lenses, but most aren't that sharp anyway at the really wide apertures (F 1.4 etc.) So on the better of them, it's not too much of a problem. I don't know if the varying register differences influence this all or not. My Minolta's have all worked well as the Tamron Adaptall line. Had a 24mm Sigma (used) that I returned, as it was almost unusable . Most of the original APS-C lenses on the 10d-20d and D70 were all designed for film...many with excellent results like the 17-40L F4 or the 20-35 or even the 24-85 that I used a lot. ..sharp as a tack...and really there's not that much difference in APS-C and M43 in this regard. So yeah you've got to be careful...but a lot of them work pretty well- at least the ones I've used.
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Like the Joker said: Why so serious?
 
And the looks really don't matter much to functionality anyhow maybe...to a degree.
Hallelujah! Someone with some common sense.
... let us not forget the quotation that "So called common sense is often in reality nothing more than common prejudice."

There may be a prize waiting for someone who can correctly attribute that quotation, as long as they also remember to change the Subject line to something appropriate.

One of the virtues of this forum is that it encourages a wide range of views rather than just those we agree with.
I'd have to agree...that what I said does come partly from that (prejudice) since I got used to simplified and easy to get at controls from shooting with film...and naturally would gravitate to something familiar...but then again it took years to work out these controls (although as others have said necessitated by the required layout of a film camera)...My C8080 wasn't much like a film camera in design or layout, but did have external buttons and controls that were simple and direct and after getting used to a new concept, I loved the way the camera operated. So change can be a good/bad thing depending on our own prejudices...or our own needs. Opinions can also come from logic as well (and those can also vary). In my mind I feel it is logical not to come between a photographer and the camera. The camera should be in my view, as close in operation to the photographers own eye as possible ( of course without being a bionic implant ;-) and to me that requires controls for important functions that become almost instinctual. However they are implemented...and certainly agree that this forum is great for expressing ideas, no matter how varied, since sometimes when a whole bunch of various things get boiled up, something new and better comes out.
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Like the Joker said: Why so serious?
 

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