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I was wondering if the reason dpreview is stalling on the full review of the X10 was because they are owned by Amazon.

If Amazon has 10,000 units sitting in their warehouse waiting to be sold, would they not instruct dpreview to hold off on their review knowing the various issues would damage sales?

Can a review site owned by a company that sells cameras and camera gear be trusted to give honest, unbiased opinions?

Paul.
 
Paul
PAUL TILL said:
I was wondering if the reason dpreview is stalling on the full review of the X10 was because they are owned by Amazon.
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Maybe for Fujifilms sake
PAUL TILL said:
If Amazon has 10,000 units sitting in their warehouse waiting to be sold, would they not instruct dpreview to hold off on their review knowing the various issues would damage sales?
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When you go to Amazon you see this review ... I think it is spot on,

"I have this camera, and I have to warn you that before buying it you should consider a Google search for its name plus the terms "orbs", "WDS", "scheiben" (in German), and "soucoupes" in French. All refer to the camera's poor handling of flare or blooming which eventually resolves into hard white circles in the middle of your image. If you do night photography, photography with strong specular highlights, shoot chrome, or concerts with lights, reflections, or sunsets, you may end up with a mass of hard-edged white circles in the middle of your image. Fuji have said both that it "performs within expected range" and that they might try to fix it. Maybe it won't affect YOUR shooting conditions, but be aware of it before you buy. It's a shame because this is a horrible weakness in a superb little body. "
PAUL TILL said:
Can a review site owned by a company that sells cameras and camera gear be trusted to give honest, unbiased opinions?
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Yes

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Alright, I will go out on the limb.
PAUL TILL said:
Which question are you answering
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I answered whether DPR would be unbiased or not.
PAUL TILL said:
and what are you insinuating?
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There might be some sensitive guy with a blue dot after his name watching you. If one gets banned for slagging on Fuji then why wouldn't they get banned for slagging on DPR.

You do have detractors on this forum and just to be clear, I am not one of them
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"Trust" is a term I would not lightly throw around and from my experiences in the corporate world----wherever money is concerned, NO ONE can be trusted fully. If you want to put your "trust" in anything, read a whole range of reviews plus amateur reviews from actual owners of the camera, dont TRUST any one review, especially one connected to the source of income for said product.
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PAUL TILL said:
I was wondering if the reason dpreview is stalling on the full review of the X10 was because they are owned by Amazon.

If Amazon has 10,000 units sitting in their warehouse waiting to be sold, would they not instruct dpreview to hold off on their review knowing the various issues would damage sales?

Can a review site owned by a company that sells cameras and camera gear be trusted to give honest, unbiased opinions?

Paul.
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Any stock that is unsold by Amazon can easily be returned to Fuji. And Amazon is an extremely modern and well run company that will have good inventory practices. They will NOT have months of supply of ANY product held in inventory.
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Danielepaolo said:
PAUL TILL said:
Which question are you answering
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I answered whether DPR would be unbiased or not.
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Why do you feel that they can still remain unbiased? By saying of course means you must have an opinion as to why.
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Danielepaolo said:
and what are you insinuating?
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There might be some sensitive guy with a blue dot after his name watching you. If one gets banned for slagging on Fuji then why wouldn't they get banned for slagging on DPR.
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I didn't think I was slagging (your word) off dpreview, I was simply asking a couple of questions.

Simon seems a pretty fair guy to me, he doesn't impose the bans, that's done by others. (I'll take that back if I'm not here tomorrow. :P).

Paul.
 
To be fair, no one should ever trust any one review.....that's why the internet is such a wonderful place, you have a wide selection of reading material as far as reviews are concerned. Three of my cameras were purchased because of Dpreview reviews (Coolpix 990, 4500, Olympus E-520) and the other two (Olympus C-7070 and Fuji HS20) were purchased because of reviews done elsewhere.
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rattymouse said:
Any stock that is unsold by Amazon can easily be returned to Fuji. And Amazon is an extremely modern and well run company that will have good inventory practices. They will NOT have months of supply of ANY product held in inventory.
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I'm not in that business so don't know how it works. When I have asked in shops why don't they stock certain models I've been told that they have to buy their stock, it's not given on a sale or return basis. If it's not a big seller they don't want to tie up their money on a product that might sit on the shelf for 6 months or have to sell at a loss.

Is Amazon allowed stock on a sale or return basis?

Is 10,000 units months of stock for a multi national company like Amazon? If so with a product run of only 6 months, how do the likes of Fuji make any money?

Paul.
 
alexisgreat said:
To be fair, no one should ever trust any one review.....that's why the internet is such a wonderful place, you have a wide selection of reading material as far as reviews are concerned. Three of my cameras were purchased because of Dpreview reviews (Coolpix 990, 4500, Olympus E-520) and the other two (Olympus C-7070 and Fuji HS20) were purchased because of reviews done elsewhere.
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And yet you purchased 3 of your last 5 cameras based solely on the review by dpreview..! Even you don't practice what you preach.

Paul.
 
Apparently, Amazon.uk allowed one guy to tell his fellow customers about the WDS thing. To me, this comment is much more detrimental to Amazon's future sells of the X10 than anything posted here because most people will read owner's critics before buying but few will come here to check all posts or even reviews.

Incidentally, I have entered a commentary on Amazon.fr concerning the X10 in which I referred to the WDS syndrome and gave the X10 a 3 stars rating because of this failure (it would otherwise be a solid 4 stars in my book, maybe even a 5 one, the two other comments were glowing 5 stars...). The commentary should be up in 48hours, except if Amazon.fr censors it... ;-)

I intend to enter comments on other french online merchant sites too and I suggest owners of the X10 that are annoyed at the WDS do the same.

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I thought you'd have calmed down by now.

Dont take it personal but your question is both inflamatory and pointless.

I know you say its only a question but the intention must probably be to create another one of those threads where you (yourself) will always have the last answer/comment.

You know about photography, why not help people with that? - I just dont get you, really.

Apart from all that, anyone can return a purchase to amazon (or most other retailers) within a given time if they are unhappy (as I believe you have done many times and probably will again with the XS-1 ... though I sincerely hope you wlll like it). So, in the end it will always be the user that decides.

regards
 
Dont make a mountain out of a molehill, Paul. I didnt mean that I purchased them solely for that reason, but that those were the first reviews I looked at and my primary source of information on those cameras. Plus back when the Nikon 990 came out (2000) and the Nikon 4500 came out (2002), I dont believe Dpreview had any affiliation with Amazon whatsoever. I miss Phil Askey!
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PAUL TILL said:
PAUL TILL wrote:

I was wondering if the reason dpreview is stalling on the full review of the X10 was because they are owned by Amazon.
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DPR has always been very slow with their revierws. I've been a viewer of this website for many years even before Amazon took over and DPR were always slow and beaten to the draw by other sites like Imaging Resource, DC Resource, Steve's Digicams to name a few.

Also..sometimes the reviews of some of the most popular cameras (and yes..including FUJI) weren't even available until the following year!!
  • Fuji F31 - Announcement Sept 06 - Review April 07
  • Fuji S5 pro - Announcement Sep 06 - Review July 07
PAUL TILL said:
If Amazon has 10,000 units sitting in their warehouse waiting to be sold, would they not instruct dpreview to hold off on their review knowing the various issues would damage sales?
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Does it matter? They will get their money back on unsold units. And more than likely most will buy a different camera so they still make their sale and make money anyway.
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Can a review site owned by a company that sells cameras and camera gear be trusted to give honest, unbiased opinions?
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I think you are wrong questioning DPR's integrity. Here is the reason why. They already highlighted the problem publicly on their website. So they are hiding nothing.

You sound as if you think that DPR/Amazon are in some way linked and influenced by Fuji. If that be the case, then why did they made the problem public and even went to the trouble to show the problem with test images against Fuji's competitor??
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/12/07/fujifilmplansfirmware

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