How many people really need a 36M DSLR?

Hi TimK,

I have made prints with the D3S and D700 on A2 format, not so many, but all came out excellent.
I've made larger prints from 6 MP D100 images and they look good, but lack the detail and crispness of higher MP images.
TimK5 wrote:

Looks fine at desired viewing distance. But what do clients do? Stick their nose directly in front of the pic...
Actually I did see people doing that at the Erwin Olaf exhibition... :-) Probable had to do more with the subjects... ;)
Perhaps so, ;-) but I've seen people doing it with landscape paintings. It is common gallery behavior.

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Oh, and to think you can achieve the same quality by using a program to add pixels are deceiving themselves. It just isn't the same. Nikon, bring on the 36 mp camera. It's very much needed.
I would say a 36MP body is more sorely wanted than needed, but in a market situation where people wish for the pinnacle technology and are willing to pay for it, it is all the same from the manufacturer's perspective.

And perhaps there's nothing wrong with wanting "the latest and greatest" per se? For example, one might wish to make a purchase that will fulfill one's needs for a long, long time. That includes practical needs (as in "I can still produce large, detailed prints with my ten year old D800") as well as human factors like vanity and sense of pride (as in "I don't need the new 100 full colour megapixel Nikon because I trust my reliable D800").

Even digital cameras shouldn't be seen as consumables - and I really, really hope that the cameras we're using today will prove long lasting. They don't suffer from the problems that hurted the early models till, say, the generation of D80, D200 and D2X. Finally, I think DSLRs are grown up. :)

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Janne Mankila, Finland
 
film has such resolution doesn't mean we need such resolution........

My point really comes down to the fact that more and more people viewing pictures via digital devices like tablet / HD TV / digital photo frame

even newspapers / magazines have web version or ipad / android versions

and I don't know why some people here do not recognize this and continue to think physical prints are very very important

the chance are 5 years later, there are fewer and fewer requests on physical prints and more people prefer digital versions

some people here are still saying they want physical prints on their own / their print can print 24"x36"

I personally prefer putting 1000 photos in a 10" digital photo frames over someone giving me 10 24"x36" prints.......
 
Interesting link!
This comparison actually proves how much we EVOLVED from film!

They can't even dare to compare apples with apples. It would have been interesting to see how the D3X compares to a film SLR not with some huge Large Format cameras. We were never there... Not with SLRs. Yes, the D3X doesn't have the resolution of a large format camera. Big surprise :)

Is the D3X better than any (film) SLR? Well, they don't even dare compare it at ISO 100. What about ISO6400? Can you compare that :))

About the original question... I think (what used to be) the SLR users don't need more than 16MP but (as I said before) I guess the MF users will love the cheaper alternative.
My God what a train wreck thread. I wish I could find it, there was a fantastic online comparison test I saw a month ago that really captured the differences between digital and film resolutions, including the D3x, several MF digital cameras and film to 8X10. The D3x was destroyed by....Yippee! I found it... Why do we need more MPs??? To get back to where we were with film!



http://www.onlandscape.co.uk/2011/12/big-camera-comparison/
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film has such resolution doesn't mean we need such resolution........

My point really comes down to the fact that more and more people viewing pictures via digital devices like tablet / HD TV / digital photo frame

even newspapers / magazines have web version or ipad / android versions

and I don't know why some people here do not recognize this and continue to think physical prints are very very important

the chance are 5 years later, there are fewer and fewer requests on physical prints and more people prefer digital versions

some people here are still saying they want physical prints on their own / their print can print 24"x36"

I personally prefer putting 1000 photos in a 10" digital photo frames over someone giving me 10 24"x36" prints.......
Then go buy your cell phone cam and photo frame and leave the higher quality capture and output to those of us who need it. It gets tiring listening to the lowest common denominator like yourself thinking they can dictate what the rest of us needs.
 
I've made larger prints from 6 MP D100 images and they look good, but lack the detail and crispness of higher MP images.
To brag a bit :-) My images where used in 2005 for a bus commercial in Hungary (Twinings), they were made with D100 and D70 (6MP) All has to do with target output in relation to the type of media used for, my first question was in that time, is that really not too small for your usage "no absolutely not was the answer) The high detail was gone due to size but they came out great in relation to the size/type of usage.
Perhaps so, ;-) but I've seen people doing it with landscape paintings. It is common gallery behavior.
Robin Casady
http://www.robincasady.com/Photo/index.html
Of course. But there is a difference between poking and viewing. The way media is printed and prepared has a lot do with it also people forget that. You really need huge full sized, excellent media, high quality professional printing to make that 36MP detail stand out, A0 or larger. But stil you can make a huge print excellent A3/A2 with about a 1/4 crop of that 36MP..so that is the power for most probable. Just all those people nagging that they need that 36MP or larger, if they did they bought mid format/rented it already...they want it, but that is something else.

Michel

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Many DSLR users do not print their photos; this is a fact
you print it out doesn't mean everyone print their photos in 24" x 36"

I don't know why do you keep saying getting a phone camera.
so you think DSLR only offers higher resolution? way to go
 
You just don't get it do you? The question was do we Need 36MP? The answer is yes for more of us than you think. This isn't about film vs. digital, it's about having the same choices in digital that we had in film without spending $50,000 and still not getting it. A D4 costs more than a Hasselblad did 'in the day'. A 50 year old dinosaur Hassy still has more resolution than a D3x and seemingly more than some of the best digital MF money can buy. A good number of us would like Nikon to work on that for a bit. Some of us work with 1.5GB+ size files from 8x10 scans relatively often, it's funny to hear people whine about a 30MB file killing their computer.
They can't even dare to compare apples with apples. It would have been interesting to see how the D3X compares to a film SLR not with some huge Large Format cameras. We were never there... Not with SLRs. Yes, the D3X doesn't have the resolution of a large format camera. Big surprise :)

Is the D3X better than any (film) SLR? Well, they don't even dare compare it at ISO 100. What about ISO6400? Can you compare that :))

About the original question... I think (what used to be) the SLR users don't need more than 16MP but (as I said before) I guess the MF users will love the cheaper alternative.
My God what a train wreck thread. I wish I could find it, there was a fantastic online comparison test I saw a month ago that really captured the differences between digital and film resolutions, including the D3x, several MF digital cameras and film to 8X10. The D3x was destroyed by....Yippee! I found it... Why do we need more MPs??? To get back to where we were with film!
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/stealthman_1/
 
and I don't know why some people here do not recognize this and continue to think physical prints are very very important
My lord, you are so narrow minded and ignorant. You only see through your own limited experience and prejudices. You have NO knowledge of the art world and the fact that digital camera are being used in the art world. The large physical print can be a work of art if it is intended to be so. You've obviously never worked in a dark room. And you clearly only see photography as family snapshots to be seen on the iPad and iPhone.

Yes, the iPhone is the only camera you need.
 
It is always nice to have more pixels and better DR/ISO performance
Of course pre pixels are better for some people

My point here is only small aphotons photos will become physical prints

you can give me examples if there are really many people need Hugh physical print

Bear in mind that having 16M can still produce non small physical print after cropping
 
I could care less if only 50% of people print large prints, 25%, 10%, or even 1%. You seem to think that product specs are some sort of democratic, majority rules process. Actually, you're not even being democratic about it. It seems like you alone have decided what I and others need and what Nikon should be producing. Sounds more like a dictatorship.
It is always nice to have more pixels and better DR/ISO performance
Of course pre pixels are better for some people

My point here is only small aphotons photos will become physical prints

you can give me examples if there are really many people need Hugh physical print

Bear in mind that having 16M can still produce non small physical print after cropping
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Mike Dawson
 
If you are the CEO of nikon and there are only 5% of people who needs physical print > 16"x10" (16M Pixel Image printing at 300dpi) and cannot stitch photos because of the object is not static / not landscape

but 10% of people asking for better ISO performance.

and you can only pick either ISO performance or resolution

what would you do?

of course, it makes sense to focus on increasing resolution again when nikon can product noise free image @ ISO 6400 at higher resolution

I can see there are even fewer people needing physical prints few years later......
 
But people are asking for 400hp in a Toyota
Toyota Supra rumors continue with 400-hp hybrid power

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/13/toyota-supra-rumors-continue-with-400-hp-hybrid-power/

If you just look at your photos on a TV, you don't need a Nikon DSLR. You can do that with an iPhone.
Not the same depth of field, not even close, LOL! So a Nikon DSLR is still needed for the shallow DOF.
 
Wowwee, that's just amazing. Yer the king of irrelevant! Nikon produces, according to their website, 39 different digital cameras and two film cameras. Who'd have thunk it? They offer the market place a choice, their customers have different needs and they are capable of tailoring to it!

You can see less need for a print? Do you know what art is? Do you think it's a 3 second view at 1080p with a Ken Burns effect? Have you even ever been to a gallery? Do you think print advertising is going to be replaced by OLED Super Signs everywhere? Isn't their a candle light hockey game you need to shoot somewhere?
What lens are you going to allow me to shoot?
If you are the CEO of nikon and there are only 5% of people who needs physical print > 16"x10" (16M Pixel Image printing at 300dpi) and cannot stitch photos because of the object is not static / not landscape

but 10% of people asking for better ISO performance.

and you can only pick either ISO performance or resolution

what would you do?

of course, it makes sense to focus on increasing resolution again when nikon can product noise free image @ ISO 6400 at higher resolution

I can see there are even fewer people needing physical prints few years later......
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/stealthman_1/
 
If you are the CEO of nikon and there are only 5% of people who needs physical print > 16"x10" (16M Pixel Image printing at 300dpi) and cannot stitch photos because of the object is not static / not landscape

but 10% of people asking for better ISO performance.

and you can only pick either ISO performance or resolution

what would you do?

of course, it makes sense to focus on increasing resolution again when nikon can product noise free image @ ISO 6400 at higher resolution

I can see there are even fewer people needing physical prints few years later......
....it's obvious mommy has allowed this fool to play on the computer in the basement for a bit too long.
 

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