That's clear.
Looking a bit closer one can see the D4 is refined and updated in a number of places, so there definitely is more in the still side than only illuminated buttons (personally I will keep my D3, but as I'm no pro ...)
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Good points you make ...
IainD
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I think we should be allowed to post and read, but I just thought we might need a little quiet time so as not to feel threatened by the D4 heavy hitters! I am going to stick with my D3 models! ;-)
It is a shame the current EN EL 4a battery is not cross compatible and the two different cards will upset some.
I am sure all the people who move to the D4 will enjoy it. What is not to enjoy!
IainD
beshannon
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I agree, since I was told that I am screwed because I own a D700. Seems that we need a better forum for a better camera for better people!
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alexst4
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... yes or the XQD cards - which is the first ever to appear in ... D4New exciting technology that probably, but not certainly will fly is tried in consumer cameras. Pro cameras are built around what you already know works well. Which means adding stunning new technology like ... A ethernet connection which is basically 30 year old technology, but reasonably field tested by now ...
"tried and tested" fo sure..... the cards not even available yet....
alexst4
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its not 10% - not sure where you get prices from, but on warehouse express:It is quite a bit more than a "minor" upgrade - with a UK price increase of only 10% over the D3s price
D3s - £3525.00
D4 - £4799.00
which is 36% increase in my book.
D4 is overpriced if you ask me....
I hope D3s drops to the used D3 level, so I can pick an the "old tech" D3s
Rick Knepper
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I totally agree with your analysis. I am not a professional photographer but I am now and have been a professional and self-employed in several fields throughout my working life, and I tend go with and stay with what produces the results I need. Of course, there's a limit to how long one can hold on to old tech and methods before customers start going elsewhere (while at the same time most customers do not want to be your guinea pig). It's been about the blink of the eye since we were at 2 MPs and now we are seriously discussing 36 MP to name just one tech advancement.Well, maybe for a few participants, but I think most people understand - even if they don't agree at all+1, well said. Although probably much too coherent for this forum
But to add another point many seem to be missing:
I see a lot of reasoning here on Dpreview which seem to imply these new cameras (I keep talking about both Eos 1DX and D4) really should represent the latest and the greatest Canon and Nikon can produce in terms of technological achievement.
Well, as a tech enthusiast myself, I can sympatize with that, but I would say the overwhelming majority of the target audience of these cameras would not agree. Full time working PJ and sports photographers tend to surprisingly conservative when it comes to technology. They don't mind new tech - as long as it does not interfere with the basic functionality of the camera. And they love new tech which makes their work simpler and reduces stress - but only after it has been proven to be very reliable.
I don't think it is a coincidence that Nikon within six months have introduced both cameras built around very exciting new technology like on sensor phase detect AF (the J1/V1) and also a new pro camera which might appear as "same 'ol, same 'ol, just slightly more of it".
New exciting technology that probably, but not certainly will fly is tried in consumer cameras. Pro cameras are built around what you already know works well. Which means adding stunning new technology like ... A ethernet connection which is basically 30 year old technology, but reasonably field tested by now ...
I firmly believe that C/N are now focused fully on the strengths of the format they represent and have their respective flagships priced competitively I might add.
That leaves those of us who are going the budget route with 35mm for landscape and such hanging a bit but I believe both companies will provide options down the road. I still disagree with you though that $8k for a 35mm camera is a drop in the bucket for most professionals (or even well-heeled non-professionals).
Though it benefited me immensley, Canon also made the mistake of using the same FF 21 MP sensor on a camera priced $5300 cheaper than their flagship and I supposed they hoped no one would notice but let's not start counting these companies' mistakes lest we be here all night.
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Grevture
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Nor is the camera
But I basically agree, that is a bit peculiar. But on the other hand - they did not go for two XQD slots, the tried and tested CF slot is still there as backup ...
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Grevture
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It sure is a delicate balance between sticking to proven solutions and yet to not be left behind once the market moves (which it tend to do suddenly and fast once it happens).
Another poster pointed out the introduction of the never before seen QXD cards in a pro camera does contradict my reasoning, but then Nikon did leave one CF slot there just to be sure ... Again, a delicate balance.
The 1DX and the D4 are quite similar both in spec and in price ... For almost ten yearsit seems Canon and Nikon has been probing the pro market in slightly different ways and are now finally converging towards what they both hope is what PJ and sports photographers really want.
I never said it was a drop in the bucket in general terms, just for a select part of the market (high end shooters hedging between 35 mm and medium format). I am a freelancer on a shoestring myself, large parts of my equipment being a ragged bunch of gear bought used. The $8000 cameras were never aimed at people like me (and if they were, I would have ducked).
I think that was less of a mistake, and more a way to hit Nikon where it hurts since Nikon could not (at least not anytime soon) come up with something similar, something Canon was probably well aware of.Though it benefited me immensley, Canon also made the mistake of using the same FF 21 MP sensor on a camera priced $5300 cheaper than their flagship and I supposed they hoped no one would notice but let's not start counting these companies' mistakes lest we be here all night.
The 5D Mk2 surely hurt Canons 1Ds Mk3 sales, but it probably hurt Nikon more and for Canon that was still a pretty good option.
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