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Surely, the most desired and used lens for photographers at nearly all levels - is a high quality normal range zoom. Find a high end Canon, Nikon, or A900 user without one. Prime, exotic, legacy, wide & long zoom, etc, all have their place - but don't usually stay on the camera.

I think it's arguably fair to say that the kit lens on a "serious" 24mp NEX 7 is a joke, and am amazed at the hoops and compromises folks are willing to endure to correct Sony's poor planning. At any rate, I won't retire my R1 or EOS 1Ds until Sony gets their act together, or something better comes along.
 
i highly doubt any of the mirrorless makers are going to put out lenses that are comparable to the current top SLR lenses. youre going to have to compromise at some point or just keep using your 1ds and 24-70.

sony has a mid-range G zoom on the roadmap.. even then, its not going to be comaprable to the 24-70 from nikon/canon.... or even cz
Steve Pzk said:
Surely, the most desired and used lens for photographers at nearly all levels - is a high quality normal range zoom. Find a high end Canon, Nikon, or A900 user without one. Prime, exotic, legacy, wide & long zoom, etc, all have their place - but don't usually stay on the camera.

I think it's arguably fair to say that the kit lens on a "serious" 24mp NEX 7 is a joke, and am amazed at the hoops and compromises folks are willing to endure to correct Sony's poor planning. At any rate, I won't retire my R1 or EOS 1Ds until Sony gets their act together, or something better comes along.
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Steve Pzk said:
Surely, the most desired and used lens for photographers at nearly all levels - is a high quality normal range zoom. Find a high end Canon, Nikon, or A900 user without one. Prime, exotic, legacy, wide & long zoom, etc, all have their place - but don't usually stay on the camera.
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No lens stays on my camera. I don't want to have to first remove a lens to then mount the appropriate lens, so my camera body goes into the bag with the cap on.

If I'm only carrying one lens, I'll use a holster bag, but the lens could just as easily be a 70-200 mm or even a 50-500 mm as a 24-70 mm or an 85 mm.
Steve Pzk said:
I think it's arguably fair to say that the kit lens on a "serious" 24mp NEX 7 is a joke, and am amazed at the hoops and compromises folks are willing to endure to correct Sony's poor planning.
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Except, the the NEX kit lens is actually pretty good - much better than similar lenses, including Sony's A-mount offering.
Steve Pzk said:
At any rate, I won't retire my R1 or EOS 1Ds until Sony gets their act together, or something better comes along.
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So, we finally arrived at the purpose of your thread: You wanted to tell us that you won't be buying a NEX-7 ... and you just thought you had warn the rest of us not to do it either. Well, good for you. I still can't wait for mine to arrive ;-)
 
Nikon's 24-70/2.8 isn't that great at 24mm. Leica M or Zeiss ZM fix focal length lenses are better.
These 2.8 "pro" zooms are big and heavy. This contradicts the purpose of a Nex.
Even my smaller Nikon 35-70/2.8 looks and feels huge on a Nex.
Jogger said:
i highly doubt any of the mirrorless makers are going to put out lenses that are comparable to the current top SLR lenses. youre going to have to compromise at some point or just keep using your 1ds and 24-70.

sony has a mid-range G zoom on the roadmap.. even then, its not going to be comaprable to the 24-70 from nikon/canon.... or even cz
Steve Pzk said:
Surely, the most desired and used lens for photographers at nearly all levels - is a high quality normal range zoom. Find a high end Canon, Nikon, or A900 user without one. Prime, exotic, legacy, wide & long zoom, etc, all have their place - but don't usually stay on the camera.

I think it's arguably fair to say that the kit lens on a "serious" 24mp NEX 7 is a joke, and am amazed at the hoops and compromises folks are willing to endure to correct Sony's poor planning. At any rate, I won't retire my R1 or EOS 1Ds until Sony gets their act together, or something better comes along.
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Steve Pzk said:
Surely, the most desired and used lens for photographers at nearly all levels - is a high quality normal range zoom.
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Not me.

I hardly ever use a midrange zoom, whether I'm using a tiny compact or a full frame DSLR. I have zero interest in a fast aperture NEX zoom, though I will occasionally use the excellent NEX kit zoom for convenience. I use primes far more often, and I'm happy with the options for NEX.
 
First, such a lens, G zoom, will be announced this year.

Second, few use a fast zoom. I see many people using their Kit Zoom, especially on dSLRs.

Third, have you seen pics with the kit zoom? It may have its limitations, but it certainly has its strenghts too.

I think it is arguably fair to say that you are welcome to your opinion.
Steve Pzk said:
Surely, the most desired and used lens for photographers at nearly all levels - is a high quality normal range zoom. Find a high end Canon, Nikon, or A900 user without one. Prime, exotic, legacy, wide & long zoom, etc, all have their place - but don't usually stay on the camera.

I think it's arguably fair to say that the kit lens on a "serious" 24mp NEX 7 is a joke, and am amazed at the hoops and compromises folks are willing to endure to correct Sony's poor planning. At any rate, I won't retire my R1 or EOS 1Ds until Sony gets their act together, or something better comes along.
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Jogger said:
sony has a mid-range G zoom on the roadmap.. even then, its not going to be comaprable to the 24-70 from nikon/canon.... or even cz
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Sony (Minolta) G lenses are not "mid-range." They are pro-quality lenses equal to the equivalents from Canikon. If the future G zoom is really up to G standards, it will be very good indeed.
 
As mentioned above, the E-Mount G-zoom is supposed to be announced/released this year, although specs are unknown.

No offense, but if you haven't used the kit lens don't hate it. It's a very good lens that exceeds the Canon kit zooms I've tried.

While you may be one to need a high-end zoom, many of us would prefer a few fast primes. I'll take a 24mm 1.8 & 50mm 1.8 combo over a 24-70 f2.8 kit any day. But it all depends on your needs, and obviously by your post the NEX system doesn't have what you need right now. Hopefully Sony will address you're concerns later this year.
 
KM Legacy said:
KM Legacy said:
sony has a mid-range G zoom on the roadmap.. even then, its not going to be comaprable to the 24-70 from nikon/canon.... or even cz
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Sony (Minolta) G lenses are not "mid-range." They are pro-quality lenses equal to the equivalents from Canikon. If the future G zoom is really up to G standards, it will be very good indeed.
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Yeah, I was about to say the same thing, the G lens coming out (in e-mount) this year will be paramount to the NEX-7's success, as far as doubling the lenses (from 1 of course, the Zeiss) that can help resolve all the detail you get from the 24 MP sensor.

One thing I would absolutely love to see would be for the new G lens to have PDAF. You may ask, how could that be done? Well think about it. This G lens is probably going to be big, you can count on that. What if they just added another inch (the size of the LAEA2 adapter) to the lens' length, and put the translucent mirror in the lens , with the electronics being in the lenses tripod mount? Seeing as the only time you really really need PDAF is for sports, this would be an amazing development, and turn the NEX-7 into a more suitable sports camera. I think I'm going to call Sony and suggest this... :)
 
Steve Pzk said:
I think it's arguably fair to say that the kit lens on a "serious" 24mp NEX 7 is a joke, and am amazed at the hoops and compromises folks are willing to endure to correct Sony's poor planning. At any rate, I won't retire my R1 or EOS 1Ds until Sony gets their act together, or something better comes along.
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I would say that it is a joke for anyone to evaluate serious equipment who does not understand that a real photographer could capture a large range of superb images with the kit lens. Any wannabe who does not understand that the quality of the e mount kt lenses at least in many situations is more than adequate for the highest quality photography does not understand much about photography or equipment. Of course, that evaluation does not deny that the limitations of the kit lens may make it a bad match for some photographer's needs. If that is you, by all means, buy something else.
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David Jacobson
 
You nailed it here David. I want to know what all these people who 'need' high-end zooms, primes etc actually do with their images? I occasionally make a print, sometimes as big as 11x14 but most of the time the images are used on-line.

Then they say - "ah ha! But what about video?" And it's the same there - you can shoot drop-dead video using cheapo lenses including the kit lens.

Although I am as much a sucker as everyone else for buying and wanting photo-gear, I actually take photos! Don't quite understand the fetish of having cameras and not taking photographs. Or worse, not taking photographs or taking crap photographs, and blaming the results on the lack of 'high-end' gear...

Les
dnjake said:
I would say that it is a joke for anyone to evaluate serious equipment who does not understand that a real photographer could capture a large range of superb images with the kit lens. Any wannabe who does not understand that the quality of the e mount kt lenses at least in many situations is more than adequate for the highest quality photography does not understand much about photography or equipment. Of course, that evaluation does not deny that the limitations of the kit lens may make it a bad match for some photographer's needs. If that is you, by all means, buy something else.
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David Jacobson
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high quality? What is that supposed to mean? sharpness? You mean a fast aperture? Something like the 17-50mm f/2.8? That lens would be as big as the Sony 18-200mm, maybe even bigger.
 
Les Hall said:
You nailed it here David. I want to know what all these people who 'need' high-end zooms, primes etc actually do with their images? I occasionally make a print, sometimes as big as 11x14 but most of the time the images are used on-line.

Then they say - "ah ha! But what about video?" And it's the same there - you can shoot drop-dead video using cheapo lenses including the kit lens.

Although I am as much a sucker as everyone else for buying and wanting photo-gear, I actually take photos! Don't quite understand the fetish of having cameras and not taking photographs. Or worse, not taking photographs or taking crap photographs, and blaming the results on the lack of 'high-end' gear...
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You should shoot with a full frame camera and high end lenses before you trash it like that. Theres a reason why some lenses cost $200 and others cost $2000.
Les Hall said:
Les
dnjake said:
I would say that it is a joke for anyone to evaluate serious equipment who does not understand that a real photographer could capture a large range of superb images with the kit lens. Any wannabe who does not understand that the quality of the e mount kt lenses at least in many situations is more than adequate for the highest quality photography does not understand much about photography or equipment. Of course, that evaluation does not deny that the limitations of the kit lens may make it a bad match for some photographer's needs. If that is you, by all means, buy something else.
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David Jacobson
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"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five."
Groucho Marx

http://www.leshall.com
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Steve Pzk said:
Surely, the most desired and used lens for photographers at nearly all levels - is a high quality normal range zoom. Find a high end Canon, Nikon, or A900 user without one. Prime, exotic, legacy, wide & long zoom, etc, all have their place - but don't usually stay on the camera.
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For me carrying a toaser sized body with a huge and heavy and too slow f2.8 standard zoom (like the $1200 Canon EF 24-70mm f2.8 L) for everyday carry is simply ridculous. I'd much rather carry a tiny Nex and higher performing and much smaller Canon FDn 50mm f1.4 for example.
Steve Pzk said:
I think it's arguably fair to say that the kit lens on a "serious" 24mp NEX 7 is a joke, and am amazed at the hoops and compromises folks are willing to endure to correct Sony's poor planning. At any rate, I won't retire my R1 or EOS 1Ds until Sony gets their act together, or something better comes along.
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How much is a Canon EF 300f2.8L for your 1Ds these days anyway? New=$5000? $6000? Used mint $3000+? I would be concerned that the USM motor may wear out or other electronic failure--especially when buying used.

See this el-cheapo 30 year old dinosaur I snapped up in mint condition for $719? This thing will still be ticking 30 years from now too. This is why I use the Nex.







 
Or you simply buy the LAEA2, and use one of the A-mount lenses (for example the brilliant 16-50)? :P

It seems like a complete waste of money to have the adapter built into the lens... :P

Oh, and also by adding another inch, you increase the flange distance from 18mm up to 40+, meaning the lens would have to be even bigger, thus I REALLY see no point in it... :)
El Matadurr said:
KM Legacy said:
El Matadurr said:
sony has a mid-range G zoom on the roadmap.. even then, its not going to be comaprable to the 24-70 from nikon/canon.... or even cz
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Sony (Minolta) G lenses are not "mid-range." They are pro-quality lenses equal to the equivalents from Canikon. If the future G zoom is really up to G standards, it will be very good indeed.
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Yeah, I was about to say the same thing, the G lens coming out (in e-mount) this year will be paramount to the NEX-7's success, as far as doubling the lenses (from 1 of course, the Zeiss) that can help resolve all the detail you get from the 24 MP sensor.

One thing I would absolutely love to see would be for the new G lens to have PDAF. You may ask, how could that be done? Well think about it. This G lens is probably going to be big, you can count on that. What if they just added another inch (the size of the LAEA2 adapter) to the lens' length, and put the translucent mirror in the lens , with the electronics being in the lenses tripod mount? Seeing as the only time you really really need PDAF is for sports, this would be an amazing development, and turn the NEX-7 into a more suitable sports camera. I think I'm going to call Sony and suggest this... :)
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Erriv said:
Or you simply buy the LAEA2, and use one of the A-mount lenses (for example the brilliant 16-50)? :P
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But seeing as you would only really need PDAF for sports, I'd rather have it in a lens.
Erriv said:
It seems like a complete waste of money to have the adapter built into the lens... :P
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I would still love to see it. :D
Erriv said:
Oh, and also by adding another inch, you increase the flange distance from 18mm up to 40+, meaning the lens would have to be even bigger, thus I REALLY see no point in it... :)
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No no no. I mean have essentially an A-mount lens, but just have the translucent mirror built into the lens, with the E-mount on the other side. It would be just as big as the 70-200 f/2.8 G I would think. Does that make sense? I wish I could sketch you out what I mean...
Erriv said:
El Matadurr said:
Yeah, I was about to say the same thing, the G lens coming out (in e-mount) this year will be paramount to the NEX-7's success, as far as doubling the lenses (from 1 of course, the Zeiss) that can help resolve all the detail you get from the 24 MP sensor.

One thing I would absolutely love to see would be for the new G lens to have PDAF. You may ask, how could that be done? Well think about it. This G lens is probably going to be big, you can count on that. What if they just added another inch (the size of the LAEA2 adapter) to the lens' length, and put the translucent mirror in the lens , with the electronics being in the lenses tripod mount? Seeing as the only time you really really need PDAF is for sports, this would be an amazing development, and turn the NEX-7 into a more suitable sports camera. I think I'm going to call Sony and suggest this... :)
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Just contacted Sony, suggesting the idea. Said they'd pass it along. :)
 
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