GH2 and lightroom

Make up a nice generic profile that gives images back the pop you want, then in the import dialogue, just tell it to apply that automatically. If you don't change anything it, it won't go away and all your images will always get that profile added each time you import.
Agreed - that's exactly what I do for my GH2 pictures. IMO it seems to work quite well. Not sure I understand what your problem is - perhaps you could post some pictures.
Would you be able to recommend the main LR3 adjustments to try first in creating a generic GH2 profile.

My brief time with the camera seems to favour zero N/r at iso 160 and perhaps 25 on clarity in addition to some exposure tweaks. I am amazed at how the white balance seems to be nearly always right even under articifial office lights
 
Well, fairy nuff, but Studio and CaptureNX, in my opinion, produce way more attractive results than LR, and with much less effort (because they take the camera settings, and if LR is taking the camera settings, it is making a right mess of them).

As I say, I've been using LR as a photo library since V1, but I have avoided the RAW engine for anything except quick and dirty exports because I don't like the results (same goes for ACR). I mean I REALLY don't like the results! I have tried, endlessly, but I am amazed someone above was saying they dumped Nikon CaptureNX for LR because LR is as good. LR is way, way faster, but the results? The interface is uniquely annoying and greedy for screen real estate too.

Oh well. I've got an LR3 book, but someone seems to have eaten it... Must be somewhere. Looking...

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Hard to know why you have the problems you do. I use my GH2, G3 and Pentax K5 with Lightroom, all look similar in terms of rendering.

What I'm saying is, I don't think it is a problem with Lightroom itself. It handles my files just fine so you probably need to look at your own configuration. Not as helpful as I'd like but somewhere to start.

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I don't know what you were being told, but both LR and Silkypix automatically apply lens corrections from m43 cameras.

And I don't know what you're doing wrong, but LR gives me great output from my GH2. Are you importing raw or jpeg files? Somewhere you've got something setup wrong.

Trust me, it's not LR, it's you.
Me too. A tried and tested "Vibrant" would be just the job...

So, am I being told that SilkyPix knows no more about correcting the lenses than LR?
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Louis_Dobson wrote:

I have a nasty feeling I threw the SilkyPix disk away unopened - the one that came with my G1 was the worst piece of software I have ever tried (and failed) to use ever, even worse than Olympus Studio, which is dire. Has it got any better? If so I'll go rooting...
The latest Silkypix SE 3.191 (though it has some good things about it's user-interface that I like) is still for the most part a POS. The paid 4.x (regular and Pro) had the same "engine", and (save for a couple of "frills") was no better. Have not tried out SP 5.x (and don't plan to). Sorry, deejjjaaaa ...

DPR's poll a while back found that 75% of all post-processing respondents used Lightroom. LR 3.x does have the best Color NR around, indeed. However, I do not find it very useful where it comes to modifying the shadow and lower mid-tones. I do not like the "Fill Light" at all. Always end up diddling with parametric controls of the "Tone Curve" tool, but there is no direct ability to adjust Gamma correction.The "Highlight Preservation" is pretty good (although it does not do much, maybe that's why). Color-rendering is just OK. The sharpening tools (and the deconvolution-deblurring that gets mixed-in along with USM when the "Detail" control-slider is at any setting other than Zero) is (IMO) truly wretched. A truly gritty, ugly mess at 100% (at nearly any level).

(If DxO supports the lenses that one has for RAW processing), DxO Optics Pro (6.x and 7.x) has fully automatic Rectilinear (far better than Panasonic's correction data silently sent along to LR/CR and Silkypix), the extremely useful "Lens Softness" correction (which blows LR/CR Sharpening tools away), as well as Chromatic Aberration and Vignetting optical corrections. DxO characterizes the camera body/lens combos at a large number of different Focal Length and F-Number settings in creating their DxO Optical Corrections Modules (for JPG and RAW though the RAW is much better) DxO's NR is not as good as LR/CR's, but adequate in cases where image-noise (particulalry chroma-noise) is not high-level. DxO's color-rendering is excellent. The "DxO Lighting" tools are very helpful for raising the lower-level tones (with the direct ability to adjust the Gamma correction applied).

Have been using the free RAW Therapee 4.x lately. It quite impressive, and (IMO) has the best user-interface of all of the above-mentioned applications. The NR seems a bit limited (not as good as LR/CR or DxO). The R-L Deconvolution Sharpening tool is helpful in moderation. While it falls pretty far short of DxO's utilization of deconvolution-deblurring (among other things) in implementing their "Lens Softness" corrections, it is preferable to the Sharpening tools in LR/CR.

My "dream machine" would have the excellent user-interface of RAW Therapee 4.x, the optical corrections, color-rendering and Gamma adjustment of DxO, and the fine Color NR of LR/CR ... :P

DxO and RT (like LR/CR) have "Vibrance" tools. RT allows useful LAB color-space adjustments, too.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, RAW will be flat when imported (all settings at their defaults), and it's our job to polish them.
Getting natural, attractive colors out of camera should not be our job. It should be the job of camera and software makers. It shouldn't be harder than in film days when you bring film to studio and get good-looking printed photos back.

Further enchancements, like recovering shadows, removing noise and applying special effects - this is our job. But basics should come out of the camera.

In case of Olympus and Adobe all this is covered. When I open E-P3 RAW files in Lightroom I get the same pop-up colors as from Olympus OOC JPEGs. I don't need to fix anything except my shooting mistakes and difficult lighting conditions. I don't need to look for any LR profiles or to buy color calibration device.

I guess, if you open Panasonic RAW files in LR and see flat, dull colors, or just wrong white balance - this is how Panasonic renders. And your time to fix it is the price to pay for newer sensor and DSLR form factor.

This may sound like a Panasonic vs Olympus flame, but I see this is not the first time OP has problems with GH2. Why not just get a Pen and try, what if it does everything with much less efforts?
 
micksh6 wrote:

Getting natural, attractive colors out of camera should not be our job. It should be the job of camera and software makers. It shouldn't be harder than in film days when you bring film to studio and get good-looking printed photos back.

Further enhancements, like recovering shadows, removing noise and applying special effects - this is our job. But basics should come out of the camera.
DxO fully characterizes the in-camera JPG RGB tone-curves of all (RAW processing supported) camera bodies, and allows the user to very easily (via a continuously-variable slider-control in the Color Rendering tools) adjust the application of those RGB tone-curves (relative to DxO characterized RAW factory defaults at less than 100% settings, and providing a higher level of application those RGB tone-curves at greater than 100% settings). This is very useful functionality.

Further, and number of different options are provided relating to the camera-body itself, as well the ability to apply to apply the characterized in-camera RGB tone-curves of a number of different various dSLRs, as well as a few film-types (all with that same continuous adjust-ability of the control-slider). For big-time "film-look-buffs" (not I), they also have the DxO Film Pack plug-in which they state has a veritable pile of film-types, etc. I have not myself tried out the "Film-Pack" plug-in.

"Vibrancy" (as they call it), Saturation, and a 6-color H/S/L variable color-controller are also available.

I find these controls to be a lot more straightforward that the slew of LR/CR color controls, and quite effective in many cases. I usually just use Vibrancy, Color Rendering and sometimes the H/S/L variable color-controller (usually just Saturation, sometimes Saturation as well as some Lightness) :P
 
It isn't about saturation - it's about colour balance. I'm actually after what I perceive to be a natural result, and I've never been able to get it from ACR. To me, the famous "Oly colour" looks far more real than anything ACR can produce, even though I often turn the saturation down. But Oly just gets the balance right, across so many different subjects (landscapes, portraits etc.). No matter how much I mess with ACR (or how many profiles I try) the overall colour balance just isn't right across a range of images.

The other thing I find unacceptable about ACR is the demosaicing. It does extract the maximum sharpness and detail, but it looks very unnatural. It has a pixelated or painterly look (most noticeable on foliage) that just screams digital to me. On the other hand, Oly Studio/Viewer produces smooth, continuous tone images, which while lacking the last drop of sharpness and detail, look a hell of a lot more like reality to me.
 
ljmac wrote:

The other thing I find unacceptable about ACR is the demosaicing. It does extract the maximum sharpness and detail, but it looks very unnatural. It has a pixelated or painterly look (most noticeable on foliage) that just screams digital to me. On the other hand, Oly Studio/Viewer produces smooth, continuous tone images, which while lacking the last drop of sharpness and detail, look a hell of a lot more like reality to me.
In the case of Photography Blog's GH1 review sample-image of the London Bridge, I found that LR 3.x appeared to (in the case of the GH1, anyway) de-mosaic more detail than DxO 6.x in the very far-field details of the high-rise buildings appearing in the distance in that shot - though it (almost) looked to me as if a kind of "digital-grain" existed (this was without the Sharpening tools, or their deconvolution-deblurring enabled by any non-zero setting of the "Detail" control, which causes that very type of "quantized-looking" artifacting). (IMO) better less "silent" NR than more, however

It was kind of weird - in that while LR 3.x had better "nano-detail", it seemed (when compared to DxO "Lens Softness" used) to fall quite short of DxO where it came to resolving "micro-detail" ...

It is important to remember that these applications may be applying different de-mosaicing algorithms for each and every different camera-body (with no user knowledge, or control allowed).

One nice thing about RAW Therapee 4.x is the disclosure, and user-control-ability of, de-mosaicing.
It isn't about saturation - it's about colour balance. I'm actually after what I perceive to be a natural result, and I've never been able to get it from ACR.
It seems that Adobe purposely makes the controls in LR 3.x very gradual in their effects (so that users will perhaps think that they are making significant adjustments, when in reality they are not ).
 
Not just me then. The simplest test is the ability to replicate the OOC JPG. And what is more I LIKE to do my basic settings in camera and work on them in RAW. With both Studio and CaptureNX the RAW image matches the OOC JPG with no further work. But more than that, if you take two shots with different camera settings you can easily work the RAW in CaptureNX or studio to make one shot look like the other. With LR, on the E3 and D3, I can't. So it isn't that I cannot get THE look I like, I cannot get ANY look I like; something is always wrong.

I sort of expected that with the E3 - let's face it, Oly has become rather obscure. But I was amazed LR made such a mess of the D3. That was LR2 though, and not the GH2, so maybe with the help of Tony's profiles I will be pleasantly surprised.

I do hope so. Trying SilkyPix for ten minutes this morning, it, like Studio and CaptureNX, gave me what I wanted with a few clicks. But it is glacially slow. Very possibly unusably so.
It isn't about saturation - it's about colour balance. I'm actually after what I perceive to be a natural result, and I've never been able to get it from ACR. To me, the famous "Oly colour" looks far more real than anything ACR can produce, even though I often turn the saturation down. But Oly just gets the balance right, across so many different subjects (landscapes, portraits etc.). No matter how much I mess with ACR (or how many profiles I try) the overall colour balance just isn't right across a range of images.

The other thing I find unacceptable about ACR is the demosaicing. It does extract the maximum sharpness and detail, but it looks very unnatural. It has a pixelated or painterly look (most noticeable on foliage) that just screams digital to me. On the other hand, Oly Studio/Viewer produces smooth, continuous tone images, which while lacking the last drop of sharpness and detail, look a hell of a lot more like reality to me.
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MORE money! Does DXO allow selective development? Does it know about LR libraries, or talk to LR in any way? Clearly this is your field... should I buy it?
micksh6 wrote:

Getting natural, attractive colors out of camera should not be our job. It should be the job of camera and software makers. It shouldn't be harder than in film days when you bring film to studio and get good-looking printed photos back.

Further enhancements, like recovering shadows, removing noise and applying special effects - this is our job. But basics should come out of the camera.
DxO fully characterizes the in-camera JPG RGB tone-curves of all (RAW processing supported) camera bodies, and allows the user to very easily (via a continuously-variable slider-control in the Color Rendering tools) adjust the application of those RGB tone-curves (relative to DxO characterized RAW factory defaults at less than 100% settings, and providing a higher level of application those RGB tone-curves at greater than 100% settings). This is very useful functionality.

Further, and number of different options are provided relating to the camera-body itself, as well the ability to apply to apply the characterized in-camera RGB tone-curves of a number of different various dSLRs, as well as a few film-types (all with that same continuous adjust-ability of the control-slider). For big-time "film-look-buffs" (not I), they also have the DxO Film Pack plug-in which they state has a veritable pile of film-types, etc. I have not myself tried out the "Film-Pack" plug-in.

"Vibrancy" (as they call it), Saturation, and a 6-color H/S/L variable color-controller are also available.

I find these controls to be a lot more straightforward that the slew of LR/CR color controls, and quite effective in many cases. I usually just use Vibrancy, Color Rendering and sometimes the H/S/L variable color-controller (usually just Saturation, sometimes Saturation as well as some Lightness) :P
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Hmmm. Clearly I need to do some research. I owe you a mail and a file by the way - sorry, flu, followed by food poisoning, has kept me largely in bed, where I only have the lappy, not the photo PC and library. I'll get to it!
Louis_Dobson wrote:

I have a nasty feeling I threw the SilkyPix disk away unopened - the one that came with my G1 was the worst piece of software I have ever tried (and failed) to use ever, even worse than Olympus Studio, which is dire. Has it got any better? If so I'll go rooting...
The latest Silkypix SE 3.191 (though it has some good things about it's user-interface that I like) is still for the most part a POS. The paid 4.x (regular and Pro) had the same "engine", and (save for a couple of "frills") was no better. Have not tried out SP 5.x (and don't plan to). Sorry, deejjjaaaa ...

DPR's poll a while back found that 75% of all post-processing respondents used Lightroom. LR 3.x does have the best Color NR around, indeed. However, I do not find it very useful where it comes to modifying the shadow and lower mid-tones. I do not like the "Fill Light" at all. Always end up diddling with parametric controls of the "Tone Curve" tool, but there is no direct ability to adjust Gamma correction.The "Highlight Preservation" is pretty good (although it does not do much, maybe that's why). Color-rendering is just OK. The sharpening tools (and the deconvolution-deblurring that gets mixed-in along with USM when the "Detail" control-slider is at any setting other than Zero) is (IMO) truly wretched. A truly gritty, ugly mess at 100% (at nearly any level).

(If DxO supports the lenses that one has for RAW processing), DxO Optics Pro (6.x and 7.x) has fully automatic Rectilinear (far better than Panasonic's correction data silently sent along to LR/CR and Silkypix), the extremely useful "Lens Softness" correction (which blows LR/CR Sharpening tools away), as well as Chromatic Aberration and Vignetting optical corrections. DxO characterizes the camera body/lens combos at a large number of different Focal Length and F-Number settings in creating their DxO Optical Corrections Modules (for JPG and RAW though the RAW is much better) DxO's NR is not as good as LR/CR's, but adequate in cases where image-noise (particulalry chroma-noise) is not high-level. DxO's color-rendering is excellent. The "DxO Lighting" tools are very helpful for raising the lower-level tones (with the direct ability to adjust the Gamma correction applied).

Have been using the free RAW Therapee 4.x lately. It quite impressive, and (IMO) has the best user-interface of all of the above-mentioned applications. The NR seems a bit limited (not as good as LR/CR or DxO). The R-L Deconvolution Sharpening tool is helpful in moderation. While it falls pretty far short of DxO's utilization of deconvolution-deblurring (among other things) in implementing their "Lens Softness" corrections, it is preferable to the Sharpening tools in LR/CR.

My "dream machine" would have the excellent user-interface of RAW Therapee 4.x, the optical corrections, color-rendering and Gamma adjustment of DxO, and the fine Color NR of LR/CR ... :P

DxO and RT (like LR/CR) have "Vibrance" tools. RT allows useful LAB color-space adjustments, too.
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Well, fairy nuff, but Studio and CaptureNX, in my opinion, produce way more attractive results than LR, and with much less effort (because they take the camera settings, and if LR is taking the camera settings, it is making a right mess of them).
LR doesn't use in-camera settings, just the lens corrections. I've been used to starting out with all settings flat in the RAW converter, to assess the content before pushing it around - just said to suggest we might be looking at this from different angles. If I have a series that needs consistency I'll develop one RAW and stamp the rest, but usually my approach is to develop one image at a time. Where OOC JPG exposures are close to the end product, they can be utilized instead. I don't expect my interpretation of the RAW exposure to be what the camera would do - hopefully it's better, but certainly it's different than everyone's default output, which is what I aim for.

Shooting RAW + JPG makes me nuts with the amount of "assets", but I do like some out of camera conveniences. So I take both, then periodically expunge unrated JPGs from the catalog.

But all that doesn't address what you see when you open a RAW to start working. That I would want to see, if at all possible.
good. LR is way, way faster, but the results? The interface is uniquely annoying and greedy for screen real estate too.
Yea, I adopted Aperture over LR initially because of the interface, but due to impatience with Apple with new RAW format support I started using them side by side. I've come to appreciate LR more and more over time, and got over the distaste for the modular approach (there's a good reason for it, but that's an unrelated sidebar). I do recall, that when I wanted to work with it, it worked much better than when I gave it a try just to see what it was all about (I was happy with Aperture already, stepping up to that from ACR/PS/Bridge as the DAM and primary developing software).

I do recall a period where folks were frustrated with NX (two years ago?) - don't recall specifically (might it have been about support for other than Nikon RAW?). A period of something like that will leave a bad aftertaste in a section of the public's eye (sort of like the abhorrence I have of the DXO software, no matter how it may have changed/improved/evolved).

Whatever - hope you find some satisfaction soon, with whatever it takes. I wish there were something more concrete to suggest.

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LR doesn't use in-camera settings, just the lens corrections.
Then why is there White Balance setting "As shot"? This is the most important setting because it makes sure colors are the same as in OOC JPEGs, which in case of Olympus is always the best.
You don't have this setting with Panasonic?

Edit: (I guess if you don't have it you don't miss it. You expect long fight for good white balance anyway)
 

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