Missing feature 1DX/D4

DaddyG · Jan 6, 2012

Regarding the 2 newly announced flagships from Nikon & Canon, just curious as to why both organisations overlooked articulating screens. Would not the target market find this a useful feature, and enable capturing shots that are otherwise difficult to frame? (e.g this image taken yesterday).

bullet1 · Jan 6, 2012

Hopefully the 5D Mark III will have it. Shooting something on the ground level without it is kind of awkward.

They probably assumed pro sport shooters do not need to frame ground level or overhead shots.
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keithinmelbourne · Jan 6, 2012

I imagine an articulating screen would compromise the build and sealing of these bodies. Arguably, they would be seen by professionals as being less robust. The D4 and 1DX are sports and wildlife bodies and are designed to take a beating and be out in the elements.
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TFergus · Jan 6, 2012

Articulating screen? at what cost...
less dedicated buttons on back or smaller LCD ?

I thought this was a D5100 user's desire.

They're shorter... can get closer to the ground

I'd look into one.

Zephir 750 · Jan 6, 2012

keithinmelbourne said:
I imagine an articulating screen would compromise the build and sealing of these bodies. Arguably, they would be seen by professionals as being less robust. The D4 and 1DX are sports and wildlife bodies and are designed to take a beating and be out in the elements.
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Right!

David Hull · Jan 6, 2012

DaddyG said:
Regarding the 2 newly announced flagships from Nikon & Canon, just curious as to why both organisations overlooked articulating screens. Would not the target market find this a useful feature, and enable capturing shots that are otherwise difficult to frame? (e.g this image taken yesterday).

suspect that at least part of the question is, how do you weather seal it. I would love to see this on all of the cameras but not if it affects other things like mechanical robustness).

I see someone else already made this comment.

In addition though, I wonder how many PJ and sports pros really care about this feature. IMO it does pose a liability from a mechanical robustness perspective.

DaddyG said:

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Grevture · Jan 6, 2012

Others have pointed out obvious reasons - in increases camera bulk, complicates weather sealing, decreases durability ... But most importantly - there are much better options.

I can see the usefulness of a articulating screen when shooting macro or when spending much time doing video. But in each case a separate, bigger screen such as a Marshall V-LCD50 or Sonys excellent little CLM-V55 with added functionality (such as peaking) does the trick much better. The 1DX and D4 are after all professional tools, and a built-in articulating screen is more of a cheap shortcut instead of getting a the real solution: a bigger and separatate screen you can position anyway you want within the reach of a HDMI cable.

Sony CLM-V55 on a GH2:

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CameraCarl · Jan 6, 2012

These kind of images are exactly what angle finders are designed for. And you don't add an easily breakable part and more openings that water can infiltrate to a pro camera that is supposed to survive war zones.

Joel Pimenta · Jan 6, 2012

Disagree.

Olympus E-3 and E-5 are built like a tank and have articulated screen.

DaddyG · Jan 6, 2012

Good points. The Olympus does have a reputation for being very robust. There are benefits for this style of camera, especially for PJ & video, from an articulated screen.

Maybe some see it as consumer focused and in the same league as creative filters.

bullet1 · Jan 6, 2012

keithinmelbourne said:
I imagine an articulating screen would compromise the build and sealing of these bodies. Arguably, they would be seen by professionals as being less robust. The D4 and 1DX are sports and wildlife bodies and are designed to take a beating and be out in the elements.
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Good point! So they suffer...
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1Balance · Jan 6, 2012

don't to hijack the thread, but how effective is peaking with the CLM-V55? easy to maintain focus?

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DBCossini · Jan 6, 2012

1Balance said:
don't to hijack the thread, but how effective is peaking with the CLM-V55? easy to maintain focus?

thx
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I am curious my self, how is it @ focusing & can you use a hood with it?

Vic Chapman · Jan 7, 2012

DaddyG said:
Regarding the 2 newly announced flagships from Nikon & Canon, just curious as to why both organisations overlooked articulating screens. Would not the target market find this a useful feature, and enable capturing shots that are otherwise difficult to frame? (e.g this image taken yesterday).

I've no axe to grind over which system is best - both are excellent but like most amateurs I'm tied into a lens/flash system, so I'm not likely to change systems nor am I likely to upgrade anytime soon.

I too wish I had an articulated screen on my D700 and D300, especially as get older! I have ground level pictures from the early days of digital taken with a Nikon CP 5700 which had a tilt and swivel screen - these pictures I could never take with a fixed screen.

The advantage of an articulated screen for ground level or overhead shoots (for journalism), and especially for video are great.

It also occurs to me that there would be extra space available behind the screen for more buttons (for less used functions), to avoid going into menus.
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nicolas guilbert · Jan 7, 2012

I would like to see integrated wifi, you have it in an iPhone so it should be possible to have in a camera without much extra space. then you could use your smartphone as an extra display for difficult angles.

Earthlight · Jan 7, 2012

You can have live view on your tablet or smart phone. Beats any articulating screen by a mile.

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Grevture · Jan 7, 2012

DBCossini said:
1Balance said:

don't to hijack the thread, but how effective is peaking with the CLM-V55? easy to maintain focus?

Click to expand...

For me it worked fine, I tried a CLM-V55 för about a month, used it a lot when shooting products with my D3 and my old manual focus Macro lens. I really wish I had one of these last I used a tilt/shift lens ...

DBCossini said:
DBCossini said:

thx
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Click to expand...

I am curious my self, how is it @ focusing & can you use a hood with it?

Se above. And yes, there is a decent collapsable hood coming with the CLM-V55.

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d3xmeister · Jan 7, 2012

People are taking showers with the Olympus E-5 while filming, I washed my E-5 and 12-60mm lens under water jet in my sink.

So this is rubbish, articulated screen is a missing feature. After using only cameras with articulated screens in the past 2 years, I find it an essential feature.

I have encountered so many situations where articulated screen is priceless.

Here's a photo that could not be taken without the E-620 articulated screen, the camera was almost toching the ground

PhotoKhan · Jan 7, 2012

Earthlight said:
You can have live view on your tablet or smart phone. Beats any articulating screen by a mile.

" You can have ", if you fork out the extra 500$+ for a WT-5.

...and although it surely "beats" the articulated screen in terms of performance and flexibility that particular solution is "beaten" by the articulating screen solution's practicality.

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PhotoKhan · Jan 7, 2012

d3xmeister said:
I have encountered so many situations where articulated screen is priceless.

Amen.

Just be glad you're not bombarded with the " proper DSLR photography is only through the viewfinder " type of commentaries like I was, 6 years ago, when I migrated from a Nikon CP5700 to my first DSLR, a 300D and immediately noticed what a huge step back the lacking of that particular feature was.

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