ok. so just how bad is this orb issue

There is a problem hence stacks of posts about orbs , why should anyone have to shoot around the problem ? mine went back,IF Fuji can fix it,i may get another one poss,but saying that my prev LX5 is stacks sharper at least in RAW,so the X10 may never get my attention again .

Not sure if the EXR sensor has less resolution or the lens is soft,but the LX5 seems to murder the X10 with fine detail.maybe someone can confirm this.
 
Interesting!

If you express honesty and say WBS is not an issue with you - then you are labeled the enemy! The scourge of the photo elite. The garbage of photographers. Yes, the scum of the self proclaimed FTF elite.

Others, with WBS'ism, are just being honest! Helping the rest of us along you see. After all, they, and they alone, are the creme-del-al-creme.

Interesting that one of the notables of FTF posts a collection of snap shots, that are indeed merely snaps shots, of what looks like an evening in the back of a London cab. Lots of shots down the throat and cleavage. Great stuff for sailors coming off a ship tour but hardly earth scattering high quality photography - yet the praise abounds!

Interesing. Think I'll photograph my cattle breeding! The quality will be equal. Minus the orbs of course........



 
Interesting!

If you express honesty and say WBS is not an issue with you - then you are labeled the enemy! The scourge of the photo elite. The garbage of photographers. Yes, the scum of the self proclaimed FTF elite.
LOL Will. Where did you see this? I wanna read it too.
Others, with WBS'ism, are just being honest! Helping the rest of us along you see. After all, they, and they alone, are the creme-del-al-creme.
Okay...if you say so.
Interesting that one of the notables of FTF posts a collection of snap shots, that are indeed merely snaps shots, of what looks like an evening in the back of a London cab. Lots of shots down the throat and cleavage. Great stuff for sailors coming off a ship tour but hardly earth scattering high quality photography - yet the praise abounds!
Hey now, you're talking smack about a very long time regular of the FTF who is quite dear to many of us who have posted here for years. And when he defends himself - I'lll wager that you're going to cry foul and ouch and mommy help.

Why not post some pictures and cool off a bit....

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Interesting!

If you express honesty and say WBS is not an issue with you - then you are labeled the enemy! The scourge of the photo elite. The garbage of photographers. Yes, the scum of the self proclaimed FTF elite.

Others, with WBS'ism, are just being honest! Helping the rest of us along you see. After all, they, and they alone, are the creme-del-al-creme.

Interesting that one of the notables of FTF posts a collection of snap shots, that are indeed merely snaps shots, of what looks like an evening in the back of a London cab. Lots of shots down the throat and cleavage. Great stuff for sailors coming off a ship tour but hardly earth scattering high quality photography - yet the praise abounds!

Interesing. Think I'll photograph my cattle breeding! The quality will be equal. Minus the orbs of course........
Well excuse me, those fine portraits of the next generation of British MP's and executives are full of orbs.

And you my friend misjudge our noble and selfless motivations, which I have detailed in another post:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1012&message=40249856

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I'm sure that Fuji is still monitoring the forum but I don't think that we'll ever see the Fuji Rep Paul here again. I think he feels safer reading in the shadows.
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If you search his name in the Fuji Corp site you will find that he has moved up in the ranks...if anything he has underlings that might watch this forum, I doubt it.
WJ, he probably got the promotion for time spent at the FTF. Poor fellow....LOL!
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If you express honesty and say WBS is not an issue with you - then you are labeled the enemy! The scourge of the photo elite. The garbage of photographers. Yes, the scum of the self proclaimed FTF elite.
Dear me! The enemy? There is no war going on. Just people discussing camera gear. Get over it.
Others, with WBS'ism, are just being honest! Helping the rest of us along you see. After all, they, and they alone, are the creme-del-al-creme.
Now you are making me hungry!
Interesting that one of the notables of FTF posts a collection of snap shots, that are indeed merely snaps shots, of what looks like an evening in the back of a London cab. Lots of shots down the throat and cleavage. Great stuff for sailors coming off a ship tour but hardly earth scattering high quality photography - yet the praise abounds!
With such a scathing critique you will not be fussed when your image is critiqued, or will you?
Interesing. Think I'll photograph my cattle breeding! The quality will be equal.
That photo is not equal. It contains boring subjects and appears overblown so you applied b&W conversion to overcome this.
Minus the orbs of course........
You were expecting orbs in this shot? You were shooting the wrong bum to get orbs.
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Ah yes! Lob a grenade and see what reacts. Hit close to the nest judging from the responses. :-)

Problem is I use the ignore option with vigor so it's a pain to see what you all write. Can always tell when the nerve is tickled.....so many blanks in the dialog! :-)
 
Interesting that one of the notables of FTF posts a collection of snap shots, that are indeed merely snaps shots, of what looks like an evening in the back of a London cab. Lots of shots down the throat and cleavage. Great stuff for sailors coming off a ship tour but hardly earth scattering high quality photography - yet the praise abounds!
I think that was hormone-driven. I can't say that it did much for my hormones, but the reaction to the photos shouldn't have come as a surprise.

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Interesting that one of the notables of FTF posts a collection of snap shots, that are indeed merely snaps shots, of what looks like an evening in the back of a London cab. Lots of shots down the throat and cleavage. Great stuff for sailors coming off a ship tour but hardly earth scattering high quality photography - yet the praise abounds!
I think that was hormone-driven. I can't say that it did much for my hormones, but the reaction to the photos shouldn't have come as a surprise.
I guess I'm slow. I still don't see what breeding cows have to do with throat & cleavage in the back of a London cab. Or sailors coming off ships. Maybe this was his way of getting in a......sheep shot. :-)

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If I face a sunset and realize it's not worth taking my camera out of the case because it will look like garbage because the sun is eating a chunk of the earth, it's too many. Especially when other cameras I can buy HAVE NO SUCH ISSUE.
Seriously, I agree with your thoughts. If the X10 were to be my main cam, then it would annoy the hell out of me to be in various situations and think that the camera will not deliver (well, will deliver.. but deliver orbs). Which is why I won't be getting the X10 unless they fix this. So, take THAT Fuji!
Wayne, me too! I went through that drivel with purple fringing. I call it my 'Frodo' era. I'm not about to go through the same with orbs. Fuji needs to fix it, but mama also needs a brand new Lincoln and she's not going to get it....

The timeline gives pause for the sincerity of Fuji's forecoming actions and potential remedy.
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as stated...depends on the shooting environment (not the 'shooter' imo)

at xmas I shot 185 frames, in doors, 4 had orbs...none were ruined.

at an outdoor car show, bright light, chrome etc...I shot 435 frames, over 150 had orbs, 30+ - were ruined
That's because you're just not special like a lot of the new x10 owners here, WJ. LOL!

Seriously......I did get a kick out of some trying to 'learn that boy sumthin'. You're one of the best photographers here. The regular posters here know that.

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Ah yes! Lob a grenade and see what reacts. Hit close to the nest judging from the responses. :-)
Sorry, but that is more udder rubbish.

Your photo was critiqued, simple. If you don't like then tough, it does not mean it is a grenade though, just an assessment of your image.
Problem is I use the ignore option with vigor so it's a pain to see what you all write. Can always tell when the nerve is tickled.....so many blanks in the dialog! :-)
This makes no sense (hardly surprising). If you use the ignore button then you won't see what we all write.

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This ia actually pretty funny, the Les Miseables lyric seems perfect here, nicely done.

Ted
The journalits at the CES show should be camping on Fuji's stand and hassling them about the orbs, while threatening to spill the beans in their magazines and blogs. But of course they are not real journalists attending the show, just PR disseminators craving Fuji's advertising coin for the new product releases and they will be dutifully regurgitating the feature sets of all the new cameras and having fake orbgasims about the new mirrorless system with the PR people, over nibbles.

This is the last line of defense for the abandoned X10 owners, (not that they all entirely appreciate the effort), right here and right now on the FTF of DPR.

This small and forgotten subset of raving mad but entirely harmless Bahai thespians, seek beauty and innocence in a world full of sorrow and see no orbs, hear no orbs and speak no orbs, they need to be sheltered from the real world of bits, bytes and blooms by those of us of a more revolutionary disposition.

"Do you hear the people sing
singing the song of angry men
this is the music of the people
who will not be slaves again
etc etc"

You need to change your name to Noisy Orbacle, raise the flag of resistance and charge across the barricade or at least the counter of Fuji's information booth on their stand at the CES, while recording it all on a X10 set at ISO 100, backed up by a de-centered F550 and then post the clips to YouTube.

Its the start of the Orab Spring, right here and right now.

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Now some may also belong to a third group (or maybe I am the only one in it): the group which thinks that complaining here accomplish nothing, especially after the official statement by Fuji that they were working on a fix (done after some users contacted Fuji directly AFAIK).

The way I see it, either Fuji can make a fix and they are at it, or they can't. In either cases, no amount of FTF complaining can change one thing or even speed things up.

It's a good thing a forum like this exists to point the problems out and push owners towards complaining to camera makers but beyond that there is not much positive that can be accomplished while waiting for the camera makers to act and things quickly run in circles.
It is difficult to know what effect complaints in this forum may have.

I don't think it is as simple as Fuji can fix it or it can't. The effectiveness of any firmware fix might depend on how much manpower Fuji is prepared to throw at developing the fix. If a hardware fix is required, then Fuji has to decide what priority to give it, and also decide if it is prepared to fix people's cameras for free.

Where Fuji has to make choices, this forum may or may not influence them. It is hard to know.

Personally, I don't feel the need to go out of my way to keep the Orb issue alive. However, if people go out of their way to minimize it, as quite a few do, then I think a response is justified.

By the way, DP Review has been in contact with Fuji over the problem, and I think it is likely that the fuss in this forum brought the matter to DP Review's attention.

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If I face a sunset and realize it's not worth taking my camera out of the case because it will look like garbage because the sun is eating a chunk of the earth, it's too many. Especially when other cameras I can buy HAVE NO SUCH ISSUE.
Seriously, I agree with your thoughts. If the X10 were to be my main cam, then it would annoy the hell out of me to be in various situations and think that the camera will not deliver (well, will deliver.. but deliver orbs). Which is why I won't be getting the X10 unless they fix this. So, take THAT Fuji!
Wayne, me too! I went through that drivel with purple fringing. I call it my 'Frodo' era. I'm not about to go through the same with orbs. Fuji needs to fix it, but mama also needs a brand new Lincoln and she's not going to get it....

The timeline gives pause for the sincerity of Fuji's forecoming actions and potential remedy.
Maybe we're being cynical. I'm sure it will be addressed before the X50 arrives!

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Knurl, I understand the point of your thread - but we shouldn't overlook the fact that we have photographers paying significant $$$$$ for a camera and who should NOT even have to waste time inspecting each and every shot they take for this issue.
Not so.

I've taken well over 2000 shots with the X10.

I've got white disks in 3 dozen, because I deliberately tried to get white discs.

I don't inspect every shot I take looking for white discs. I don't even bother looking for white discs.

Even though I am deliberately shooting high contrast scenes I don't even look for white discs, because the circumstances under which I shoot just don't produce white discs.

You can hav 'em if yer wants 'em, or you kin leave 'em if ya care.

It's as simple as that.

No, it's even simpler: I have not had one white disc ruin any single shot of mine that I wanted. Not one.

Then again, I haven't even had one shot that I didn't want ruined by a white disc either, or even unexpectedly arrive and cause me embarassment.

I've got to hand it to the folk who can get white discs ruining their shots all the time - I don't know how they do it!

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Exactly, talking of firmwares, anyone heard anything regarding the fix for the problem that doesn't exist? It's been three weeks since they announced they were going to fix the non existent problem and I was just wondering if the launch of their new cams has put it on hold.
It's four weeks, actually, and it's not a non-existent problem.

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