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just to clarify this. a dedicated thread to get some grip on how big a problem this is for the actual X10 user.

how often did you get orbs/white discs/... ?

a/ never,
b/ 1% of your shots ,
c/ 10% of your shots,
d/ all the time.

and the ones you got...

did you get them because you went orb-hunting deliberately? or did they occur in what you would call a typical shot?
are they actually disturbing in the image? or visible only on pixel level?

i've got about 5 shots in ca 1000 shots. it was disturbing in 4 of these (all fireworks with +2sec exposure, nevertheless i also got some nice orbfree ones in that series). the 5th one i was deliberately hunting for it (bright sun in mirror xmas ball).
maybe there are more, but then i haven't noticed them yet.
 
Less than 1%

And they are not always unattractive as they often look more natural than starlight effects or flare (though you can get both - see below). And they're often on shots I wouldn't have attempted with another camera. It's when they occur on reflected surfaces, breaking lines and curve with a small white sphere that they are a problem.

I'd look hard at whatever solution tries to remove them to make sure I prefer it.
 
0% to 100% depending on what you shoot ! Tell us your profile and we can tell you about possible issues.
 
Knurl, I understand the point of your thread - but we shouldn't overlook the fact that we have photographers paying significant $$$$$ for a camera and who should NOT even have to waste time inspecting each and every shot they take for this issue.

I'm tempted to start a thread, asking how many photographers do this - but the answer is obvious. 100% That in itself is totally unacceptable.
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knurl said:
just to clarify this. a dedicated thread to get some grip on how big a problem this is for the actual X10 user.

how often did you get orbs/white discs/... ?
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Depends what you like to shoot and when you like to shoot it.
knurl said:
and the ones you got...
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knurl said:
did you get them because you went orb-hunting deliberately? or did they occur in what you would call a typical shot?
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In the image above I was trying not to get any orbs and this was the best one out of about 30 shots all at different ISO's, EV, shutter speeds and apertures.
knurl said:
are they actually disturbing in the image? or visible only on pixel level?
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I found them unacceptable, others don't seem bothered by them.
knurl said:
i've got about 5 shots in ca 1000 shots. it was disturbing in 4 of these (all fireworks with +2sec exposure, nevertheless i also got some nice orbfree ones in that series).
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I never shot any fireworks but all long exposures gave orbs every time like the image below.





If you don't shoot anything that can reflect the sun during the day, or any scene with lights at night you can probably live with the X10. Unfortunately I don't just shoot flowers, trees or kids all the time like the majority of X10 owners here on the FTF.

Paul.
 
Timur Born said:
0% to 100% depending on what you shoot ! Tell us your profile and we can tell you about possible issues.
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don't understand what you write here.

this thread is to hear - from actual X10 users - how big the orb issue is in their experience. so , in %, how many shots (of the total they shot up till now) contained orbs.
simply because the subject seems out of proportion on this forum.
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Knurl, I understand the point of your thread - but we shouldn't overlook the fact that we have photographers paying significant $$$$$ for a camera and who should NOT even have to waste time inspecting each and every shot they take for this issue.
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about the "significant $$$$$". this still is a prosumer P&S. priced rightly for what you get, IMO.

i think one should ALWAYS inspect every shot to check focus, blown highlights, wb, ...

orb happens so little, that you should certainly not inspect EVERY image for them.
 
They guy can't even get an honest answer to his question. Out of 487 shots I only noticed the orbs one time on a 30 second exposure.
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I've had about 2 shots out of a few hundred that I've shot. I probably would not have noticed this if I were not looking for it. I take pictures casually, not for my living. I suppose that if my livelihood depended on getting a certain shot, and that shot had an orb, I might feel that this is unacceptable. However, for me, it is not an issue.
 
Man, I am on the fence right now. This camera ticks most of the boxes for me, but this issue gives me pause. For $100 more I can get an Oly EP3 and pancake lens. What to do!
 
a. Never.

My shooting is mostly outside nature stuff. Not the kind of photography that produces WBS.

Also, I don't crop much. 4x6 is fine with me....a few 8x10s. My days of 20x30's are pretty much over. If I get a photo I'd like to enlarge to poster size I know the X10 will prove capable!



 
Most of my shots are family or landscape. The shot below is the only example where I can say the "orbs" were present. Just a disclaimer, I guess I could go back and pixel peep to see if there are less pronounced orbs in my previous photos than the ones displayed below. But if I don't see orbs in my photos, I won't be searching for them either....





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Oh for F... S..., if you take snaps of your family and dog in mid range lighting conditions you'll never see them.

If you take a lot of night shots you'll see them a lot more.

The strength of any camera is not how well it performs in conditions an iPhone could shoot accurately. It's how well it performs in fringe conditions. That's usually why we pay more.

The most dishonest thing about posts like yours is that even if you claim it's not an issue for you, if Fujifilm actually DOES come out with a firmware upgrade to fix this "non-existent" problem for you, YOU will be one of the first downloading it.

Yes, it occurs in FAR TOO MANY of my shots, when it does not with other cameras.

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Orbs? What orbs?

Yes, it's irony.

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GaryJP said:
Oh for F.. F... S..., if you take snaps of your family and dog in mid range lighting conditions you'll never see them.

If you take a lot of night shots you'll see them a lot more.

The strength of any camera is not how well it performs in conditions an iPhone could shoot accurately. It's how well it performs in fringe conditions. That's usually why we pay more.

The most dishonest thing about posts like yours is that even if you claim it's not an issue for you, if Fujifilm actually DOES come out with a firmware upgrade to fix this "non-existent" problem for you, YOU will be one of the first downloading it.

Yes, it occurs in FAR TOO MANY of my shots, when it does not with other cameras.
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Exactly, talking of firmwares, anyone heard anything regarding the fix for the problem that doesn't exist? It's been three weeks since they announced they were going to fix the non existent problem and I was just wondering if the launch of their new cams has put it on hold.

Could it be that they can't fix it and they're just hoping if they leave it long enough we'll forget about it. :P

Paul.
 
Honestly, if I were you I would wait for the new firmware or buy something else. If you have a critical eye and review/process/print your photos you will notice and will be annoyed by the orbs. If you're the shoot and upload to facebook type the orbs won't be an issue. I would go EP3 in a heartbeat...hell, let me know if you want to buy a lightly used X10!
riveredger said:
Man, I am on the fence right now. This camera ticks most of the boxes for me, but this issue gives me pause. For $100 more I can get an Oly EP3 and pancake lens. What to do!
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Thanks for the input. I am fairly critical. I just sold my Nikon D300 to get something smaller and less conspicuous, and also for video capabilities. I'm leaning towards m43 or NEX, but I really like the fast 4x lens of the x10.
 
knurl said:
Timur Born said:
0% to 100% depending on what you shoot ! Tell us your profile and we can tell you about possible issues.
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don't understand what you write here.

this thread is to hear - from actual X10 users - how big the orb issue is in their experience. so , in %, how many shots (of the total they shot up till now) contained orbs.
simply because the subject seems out of proportion on this forum.
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1% in my most important photography subject: family photos.

100% in dark scenery shots (not necessarily night) with more or less strong light sources (doesn't need to be too strong). I work (and learned) to control the latter to a degree I can mostly live with.

Also there are two issues which are usually discussed as one. Blooming causes light sources to change their shape more and more to round discs that eat away pixels. These discs do not necessarily have to completely stand out of the picture. What makes them worse is a dark outline, which mostly only happens when you are using DR400 (and to some degree DR200). This dark outline does not only happen with blooming discs, but also other light objects. Since many people keep shooting at DR400 they make the blooming artifacts even more stand out.

The blooming likely is not fixable in firmware, because it is a hardware limitation of the sensor, the outline may be fixable in firmware, since it is controllable via software settings.
 
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