Is it worth it to spend an extra $100 for a 50d over a 40d?

[...] All you get going from an XTi to a 40D is a bigger body, better AF, more body controls, more fps.
Plus a bigger LCD, live view, pentaprism, more robust battery.
To the the rear LCD is insignificant towards photography. All I use it for is the menu, checking shot histogram and composition. Know your equipment and your photographic technique. Zooming into a recorded image to try and check focus is not the way to go about photography.
Thanks for the advice. Funny you didn't mention the other three improvements I added to your list. And re: LCD, you obviously don't have a body with live view.
Not an insignificant upgrade at all.
It's a minor upgrade, but for many types of photos the results will be the same as the XTi.
Obviously, I disagree. Rebel to XXD transition should never be described as minor. Perhaps only by a Rebel owner.

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I owned a 50D and did not find that the review had any significant findings that misrepresented the features or capabilities of the camera.
That's the only part that I would use DPR now. They do have the advantage of having the info and access of new cameras earlier than everyone else. The part that I had problem with is their intepretatin of the cameras' performance in the field for the users.

The now famous line that Hank quated from the review "Per-pixel detail not as good as on good 10 or 12 megapixel cameras " just shows these reviewers have not idea how a camera is used in real world. Not to mention it is technically ludicrous to say such thing as "pixel sharpness", a term many are still trying to use since that review.
 
Version 1.08 is available as of a few months ago. Bookmark this link as it is not the easiest to find:

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/eos_slr_camera_systems/eos_digital_slr_cameras/eos_50d#DriversAndSoftware

Follow the .pdf in this download to check your current version and install the new one. I recommend you use the method using the CF card if you have a card reader. I recommend this over a direct USB connection using the EOS utilities.

It can fix some color balance issues and other items. This is also where if you get the CD that came with the camera you can get an update for the DPP raw editor that came with it. The CD is needed for the first installation and then you can update. DPP has many new features added. Be sure if you update EOS Utilities that the 50D is supported. Check this also on zoom browser EX. You also may want to update the RAW codec.

Just enter your operating system and all of the utilities will show up.
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There is no significant difference in terms of image quality. Even 50d has 15MP it doesn't capture much more details than 40d. It is more like 12 MP vs. 10 MP.

40d dors better job in shadow area, and little better noise at high ISO. But little.

Focus MA is nice fieature for those with problematic lenses. I dont use it cause have good calibrated lenses. Also, FMA is not so good for zoom lenses.
LCD is better on 50d.

Other than that...no difference.

For 100 usd I would go with 50d, but not for more.

Just my 2 cents.
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Boris
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Focus MA is nice fieature for those with problematic lenses. I dont use it cause have good calibrated lenses.
How good is good for you? Canon service only calibrate cameras or lenses to "within spec" of one DOF which is 8 units on the MFA. You can do much better to fine tune your lenses, expecially for fast prime or long lelephoto lenese, to a higher level of sharpness. That has been my experience when I first calibrated my lenes on 50D.
 
Boris.... where did you get all this misinformation from? It's all wrong! When the 50D came out dpreview was clueless on how to judge image quality on such a camera with so many megapixels. So being clueless they judged it at 100%, not realizing that when viewing pictures at 100% they were viewing images at different magnifications depending on how many megapixels it had. This still isn't understood by a lot of people today. Almost every other review site was smarted than that and compared the 50D to the 40D at the IMAGE level. They all found the 50D to be better than the 40D with resolution and even with noise. I used to post links and quotes to like 15-20 review sites stating that the 50D was superior. There were a few idiots like this MAC guy that just couldn't handle Canon releasing a newer better model than his beloved 40D so he went on a relentless jihad putting down the 50D. Were you by any chance involved in some of those arguments? So anyway some people got this ingrained in their head and started repeating this lower mp is better mantra over and over to the extent that this notion still hasn't been totally stamped out on this forum.

Also Carl is right, there is no such thing as per pixel sharpness. At the time I searched high and low on the internet and couldn't find any definition or reference to this term except from dpreview. But it was too late some goofy people on this site took this term and ran with it. You can still see some people saying it to this day, it's nonsense.

Bottom line is the 50D is the better camera in every way!
There is no significant difference in terms of image quality. Even 50d has 15MP it doesn't capture much more details than 40d. It is more like 12 MP vs. 10 MP.

40d dors better job in shadow area, and little better noise at high ISO. But little.

Focus MA is nice fieature for those with problematic lenses. I dont use it cause have good calibrated lenses. Also, FMA is not so good for zoom lenses.
LCD is better on 50d.

Other than that...no difference.

For 100 usd I would go with 50d, but not for more.

Just my 2 cents.
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Boris
De gustibus non disputandum est!



http://www.boriszulj.com
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Didn't enter this thread to have debate with people who read reviews on net, but to help member of this site choosing between two cameras.
My observation is based on PERSONAL experience using both cameras all the time.

IMAGE LEVEL....funny argument. Most of 10mp and 15mp power can NOT be seen at image level unitl large print cause it is lost druing printing.

One of most said arugments to have more MP is crop power. When you crop 15MP image to the size of 10MP 40d has better IQ at that "image level" and I would rather buy longer lens than body with more MP. This is the part you don't understand when "per pixel sharpnes" is used as argument for IQ.

Reason I bought 50d......needed another body and 40d was discontinued. Also got a great price.

Enjoy your camera. It is fine piece of equipement for shooting....something. Go shoot!
;-)
Boris.... where did you get all this misinformation from? It's all wrong! When the 50D came out dpreview was clueless on how to judge image quality on such a camera with so many megapixels. So being clueless they judged it at 100%, not realizing that when viewing pictures at 100% they were viewing images at different magnifications depending on how many megapixels it had. This still isn't understood by a lot of people today. Almost every other review site was smarted than that and compared the 50D to the 40D at the IMAGE level. They all found the 50D to be better than the 40D with resolution and even with noise. I used to post links and quotes to like 15-20 review sites stating that the 50D was superior. There were a few idiots like this MAC guy that just couldn't handle Canon releasing a newer better model than his beloved 40D so he went on a relentless jihad putting down the 50D. Were you by any chance involved in some of those arguments? So anyway some people got this ingrained in their head and started repeating this lower mp is better mantra over and over to the extent that this notion still hasn't been totally stamped out on this forum.

Also Carl is right, there is no such thing as per pixel sharpness. At the time I searched high and low on the internet and couldn't find any definition or reference to this term except from dpreview. But it was too late some goofy people on this site took this term and ran with it. You can still see some people saying it to this day, it's nonsense.

Bottom line is the 50D is the better camera in every way!
There is no significant difference in terms of image quality. Even 50d has 15MP it doesn't capture much more details than 40d. It is more like 12 MP vs. 10 MP.

40d dors better job in shadow area, and little better noise at high ISO. But little.

Focus MA is nice fieature for those with problematic lenses. I dont use it cause have good calibrated lenses. Also, FMA is not so good for zoom lenses.
LCD is better on 50d.

Other than that...no difference.

For 100 usd I would go with 50d, but not for more.

Just my 2 cents.
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Boris
De gustibus non disputandum est!



http://www.boriszulj.com
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'The truth is rarely pure and never simple' Oscar Wilde
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Boris
De gustibus non disputandum est!



http://www.boriszulj.com
 
+ or - few steps of correction in real life except macro photography and shooting close with apertures below f/2, means nothing. You are forgeting DOF.

As said in my post MA is not so good for zoom lenses that I use the most, and two primes I have (50mm f/1.4 and 100mm f/2.8 macro) are sharp as a razor.

Only thing I ever had to calibrate was.....50d body. Had backfocus issue with all lenses and Canon service did calibration. After that it was better than new.
;-)
Focus MA is nice fieature for those with problematic lenses. I dont use it cause have good calibrated lenses.
How good is good for you? Canon service only calibrate cameras or lenses to "within spec" of one DOF which is 8 units on the MFA. You can do much better to fine tune your lenses, expecially for fast prime or long lelephoto lenese, to a higher level of sharpness. That has been my experience when I first calibrated my lenes on 50D.
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Boris
De gustibus non disputandum est!



http://www.boriszulj.com
 
Didn't enter this thread to have debate with people who read reviews on net, but to help member of this site choosing between two cameras.
My observation is based on PERSONAL experience using both cameras all the time.

IMAGE LEVEL....funny argument. Most of 10mp and 15mp power can NOT be seen at image level unitl large print cause it is lost druing printing.

One of most said arugments to have more MP is crop power. When you crop 15MP image to the size of 10MP 40d has better IQ at that "image level" and I would rather buy longer lens than body with more MP. This is the part you don't understand when "per pixel sharpnes" is used as argument for IQ.
I understand it but I think you don't. It's a made up word and most of the knowledgeable photographic community is aware of it.
Reason I bought 50d......needed another body and 40d was discontinued. Also got a great price.

Enjoy your camera. It is fine piece of equipement for shooting....something. Go shoot!
;-)
You would have bought a second 40D? Oh well that's your prerogative, I'm glad you enjoy using it.

I'm not arguing with you just giving the OP correct info that's all. There's a ton a bad info on this forum from well meaning people.

btw I don't have the 50D anymore I now have the 7D.

Cheers and happy New Year.
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'The truth is rarely pure and never simple' Oscar Wilde
 
Although this will certainly seem to contradict my earlier comments in the thread, my choice is/was the 30D. I sold my 50D's in order to buy 5D's. I then picked up a 30D solely to use with long lenses. The last 50D I sold for $660 with grip. I picked up a 30D for $360 with grip.

I think the two go really well together. Same controls and interface, etc. And as pixel math people have said, 8 megs in a 1.6 crop is the same resolution you'd get from cropping an image taken by a 21 megapixel full frame sensor down to the field of view of a 1.6 crop.

I think the difference is if it's going to be your only/main body or not. Certainly I'd go 50D or 7D if that were the case.

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