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I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work, customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
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If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
In my opinion, if you're just taking photos for casual use, Photoshop is ridiculously expensive. So far I've gotten by on tools that are free (e.g. The GIMP, which doesn't work so well on Windows, but I mostly use Linux anyway) or that were bundled with devices--such as scanners--that I've purchased over time (e.g. PhotoImpact). Such tools may not do quite as much as Photoshop, but if you've got basic tools such as levels adjustment, unsharp mask, etc. you'll probably do fine!

Cheers,
Jeremy

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Jeremy L. Rosenberger
http://www.frii.com/~jeremy/
 
Hey, just my opinion, but I've used Photoshop elements 2.0 for two weeks, paid fifty bucks for it at best buy after rebates, and it works great.
Jb
In my opinion, if you're just taking photos for casual use,
Photoshop is ridiculously expensive. So far I've gotten by on tools
that are free (e.g. The GIMP, which doesn't work so well on
Windows, but I mostly use Linux anyway) or that were bundled with
devices--such as scanners--that I've purchased over time (e.g.
PhotoImpact). Such tools may not do quite as much as Photoshop, but
if you've got basic tools such as levels adjustment, unsharp mask,
etc. you'll probably do fine!

Cheers,
Jeremy

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Jeremy L. Rosenberger
http://www.frii.com/~jeremy/
 
Rolf wrote:

I like Photo Brush it is cheap (about $40) has automatic Minolta's color correction function. Fantastic retouching capability's and perspective correction etc., etc., etc....... Download and try for 30 days, cant be beat.
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
If you plan on possibly being serious about your imaging than eventually you would probably go to Photoshop. Paintshop does much the same thing but the interfaces and procedures are different. It probably would pay to get PS Elements because most of what you will learn will be applicable if you ever decide to make the big plunge.
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Howie
http://www.pbase.com/howier My Galleries
 
hey jimbob, do you know if that was a local promotion or chain wide? 2 weeks ago, do you think they'll still have that promo? the promo i'm talking about is also at best buy but i didn't see photoshop 2.0 there (maybe just not looking hard enough or passed it by for the "eye candy, superduper" photoshop)

as i have stated, i am using MGI photosuite, paid $10.00 (after in-store and mail in rebates) about 2 1/2 years ago. better than the "basic / free" stuff, it gives many filters, touch ups and special effects but i am looking for more features to take my pic's to a higher level. (though ya gotta like a guy that use's the free stuff)

i guess i didn't put in my 1st post that i am wanting to explore the "upper level" of photography (yeah, right, with an S404) and see if i have what it takes...... not a full time thing, but a really good amatuer..... i only have the people in this forum to blame for that (LOL). the pics are outstanding and are on a level that i would like to attain someday. while there are numerous people who take outstanding pics, its Melanie Kipp's stuff that stays in my brain and makes me want to create images that will stay with a person.

well, time to go fight the madness again and see if my local BB has the 2.0 version "on promotion".
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If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
I have Photoshop 5.5, Photoshop 5LE, MGI Photosuite 4, Paintshop Pro7, Corel Printhouse, Q-Image Pro, Micrografx Picture Publisher, and MS Picture It. For the differences between Photoshop and Paintshop Pro, I feel that Photoshop is terribly over-priced, and mostly a photographic 'status symbol'. There's little that you couldn't do with Paintshop Pro with Photoshop. Both of them take a lot of learning, and are not very user-friendly. If you are looking for decent features with a less steep learning curve, Photoshop Elements is a good choice. If you want more features, but don't want to spend as much as you did on your camera on just software, than go for Paintshop Pro. While the procedures will be different if you ever do want to get Photoshop, the basic techniques are still the same, and you will still learn them with Paintshop.

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David

http://fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/pictures?userid= {F351C88E-FEF7-4892-9F30-9FD2DDD1593C}&tio=0
 
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
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If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
First off, $30 is a very good deal - you can't go wrong. PaintShop Pro is an excellent program. My last version of this software is 7.0 and I felt it was pretty good. Quite a few techniques discussed around the Photoshop SW also can be adapted to PaintShop Pro.

What about Photoshop? Well, if you want to greatly improve your retouching techniques over the long haul, or perform special operations, you will need Photoshop. Not because PaintShop Pro can't do a lot of the same stuff, but because darn near every book and/or tutorial about how to this or that is based on Photoshop. Photoshop really is the best program out there and you can learn a lot by reading tutorials specifically tailored to Photoshop. If you are interested in learning and want to improve your skills, you will learn faster using Photoshop (because of the huge number of tutorials out there). Is Photoshop worth an extra $400 - IMO, absolutely! Similar to my comment about PaintShop Pro, you can't go wrong with purchasing Photoshop. My current version of Photoshop is 7.01; I find this program to be invaluable.

If you can afford Photoshop, buy it - otherwise, get PaintShop Pro. Good luck with your purchase decision.

Joe Kurkjian, Pbase Supporter

http://www.pbase.com/jkurkjia
 
I use several including photoshop and paintshop pro. Both those have complex abilities and both (Least the 7 versions) can be pretty simple on many things as well. I use the actions a bit on photoshop but for retouching old photo;s or making some improvements on a specific problem picture, paintshop pro is faster and easier for me. Maybe because I used it longer. At any rate...the clone brush in paintshop pro is my favorite technique to fix things and the red eye removal in paintshop pro is easy to use and get excellent results with.. for the price you mentioned...I would think paintshop pro be the best bet....There may be some education discounts you can get Photoshop through if you have a relative or someone you know that can use that kiind of procurement method...lot cheaper that way. Happy Shooting and holidays...

Mike T.
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
I would start out with an inexpensive photo editing tool and look at Photoshop when/if you outgrow it. I use Ulead Photoimpact and Paintshop Pro. Both are excellent low cost packages (as are the other tools mentioned in this thread.)
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
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Richard B.
S404 gallery http://www.ericksonbird.com/samples
 
The real functional difference between PaintShop and Photoshop is Photoshop's much better Color Space Awareness. Paintshop uses Windows Color Management [ICM 2] which, in theory, also provides for assigning ICC or ICM color profiles, but it is a flawed implementation that doesn't recognize the color space of the incomming graphic, even with an embedded ICC. It just assumes sRGB which is not the space the s404 is in. With Photoshop, you can assign an incomming space, or, if you have embedded a color space, Photoshop will recognize it.

If you convert the Minolta 404 pictures to sRGB, then Paintshop Pro becomes just about as powerful an editing tool as Photshop. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Jeff
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
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Richard B.
S404 gallery http://www.ericksonbird.com/samples
 
well, i went to best buy, staples, office max and circuit city along with 2 specialty computer stores here....... photoshop was non existant. i did see photo explosion, but since i had not heard much about it i set it back down (just looking at the features)

someone had said "for that price you can't go wrong, if you need photoshop buy it in the future" (or something to that effect) and thats what i was thinking at the store....... shoot, i waste $30.00 or more on "duplicate" woodworking tools because 1 does something just a bit different or better than the other, but the other tool is better for different procedure...... both have their strengths........ so, i bought "paintshop" for 30 bucks and will search for photoshop on a deal (maybe if i enter my local community college photography class they will "make" me have photoshop and i can write it off at the end of the year???)

my friend has paintshop and said it was just as good (for the amatuer) as photoshop, but alot less expensive........ plus he has a book on procedures for paintshop i can borrow to learn.

so, if anyone knows or hears of photoshop selling at a deal (legal, no pirated stuff) in the future, please post as i am looking to get both.(refer to signiture for insight on THAT comment)

thanks for all the input ladies (lady) and gent's...... still the best forum i've found.
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
For my 2 cents worth.......I have Photoshop 6.0 and although I use it for any elaborate processing (it's way overpriced), the one I use most is Adobe (same company) Photo Deluxe 4.0. I find it to be a somewhat condensed version of PS but will do all the nessesary basics, crop, rotate, saturation, color balance, add text, resize, etc. Most out of camera stuff needs only minor processing (or should) anyway.

Ray

http://www.pbase.com/xray
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
This is a good discussion, but it would be incomplete without mentioning Adobe's biggest rival, Corel. I have used both Photoshop 7 (at work) and Photo-Paint (part of Corel Draw suite or Corel Essentials) and they are VERY competative. Photo-paint can use all Photoshops plugin's without a problem. I tend to find Photo-paint more intuitve (depends on what you like and what you learned first.)

Pro Photoshop (full version or Elements)

1. More Books and Plugins than you can shake a stick at. It is by far the most used and supported graphics tool out there. So if you see a book with neat effects, you can just take it home and use it.
2. The plug-in's tend to run faster in Photoshop.
3. If you learn photoshop, you will not need to learn any other tool.

-Negative
1. The price
2. Slightly cumbersome interface from years of growth.

Pro Corel.
1. Price!
2. Can match photoshop on most any level
3. Plugin compatibility

4. The Corel Suite comes with Draw, which is a great vector program on par with Adobe illustrator, and in some areas is better.

5. When I need to get something done fast, I use Photo-Paint instead of Photoshop.

6. Corel Draw 11 has some nice tool additons that include Flash support and Knock-Out like ability integrated. It's worth looking at all the tools one gets with the suite, it's a good value!

-Negative

1. The world is photoshop. See a book with neat effects, you need to use it conceptually or translate the steps for Photo-paint. (a bit of a pain)

2. Become really good at Corel, create great work. Get a job in graphics, and then be forced to learn photoshop anyway because it is all they use. (But the learning curve is small, it a matter of "where is that tool?" and "what do they call it here?")

3. Actions are not compatible, but Corel does have VBA and it's own equally powerful scripting language.

Adobe made a good decision making Elements since it satisfies the photography clients needs well, while allowing for an attractively priced entry model that will teach users their interface. A stepping stone to version 7 when their needs become more ambitious.

-good luck
Glenn
Why not download the trial versions from the manufactures sites and judge for yourself.
 
Corel Essentials (like Elements) is on sale for $49

http://www3.corel.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=CorelStore/ProductOverview&id=CC1ZZ97KCDE&cur=US
Pro Photoshop (full version or Elements)
1. More Books and Plugins than you can shake a stick at. It is by
far the most used and supported graphics tool out there. So if you
see a book with neat effects, you can just take it home and use it.
2. The plug-in's tend to run faster in Photoshop.
3. If you learn photoshop, you will not need to learn any other tool.

-Negative
1. The price
2. Slightly cumbersome interface from years of growth.

Pro Corel.
1. Price!
2. Can match photoshop on most any level
3. Plugin compatibility
4. The Corel Suite comes with Draw, which is a great vector program
on par with Adobe illustrator, and in some areas is better.
5. When I need to get something done fast, I use Photo-Paint
instead of Photoshop.
6. Corel Draw 11 has some nice tool additons that include Flash
support and Knock-Out like ability integrated. It's worth looking
at all the tools one gets with the suite, it's a good value!

-Negative
1. The world is photoshop. See a book with neat effects, you need
to use it conceptually or translate the steps for Photo-paint. (a
bit of a pain)
2. Become really good at Corel, create great work. Get a job in
graphics, and then be forced to learn photoshop anyway because it
is all they use. (But the learning curve is small, it a matter of
"where is that tool?" and "what do they call it here?")
3. Actions are not compatible, but Corel does have VBA and it's own
equally powerful scripting language.

Adobe made a good decision making Elements since it satisfies the
photography clients needs well, while allowing for an attractively
priced entry model that will teach users their interface. A
stepping stone to version 7 when their needs become more ambitious.

-good luck
Glenn
Why not download the trial versions from the manufactures sites and judge for yourself.
 
Rolf wrote again: Price has nothing to do with the quality of a program nor the fact thar you might newer have heard about it. Do yourself a favor and download Photo Brush.
I know many of you are professionals or waaaayyyyy more advanced
amatuers than i am, and i have seen many people here talk about
photoshop....... but WOW is it expensive. i just ran across a deal
on paintshop (10 i think) for $100.00, mfg rebate $20.00, in store
rebate $50.00....... final cost $30.00. i have heard so-so about
paintshop, but outstanding for photoshop....... i am in the "MGI
photosuite" mode right now, so is it worth it or should i spend the
extra $400.00-$600.00 for photoshop? i am not doing pics for work,
customers or publications..... just for friends, family and myself.
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
Sorry, I don't know if it was nationwide or not but I did notice that either CompUSA or Circuit City had the same price with the same rebates...I scroll through the electronics store salespapers in every Sunday paper.

And it's Photoshop Elements rather than actual photoshop but it's still a good program.
JB
hey jimbob, do you know if that was a local promotion or chain
wide? 2 weeks ago, do you think they'll still have that promo? the
promo i'm talking about is also at best buy but i didn't see
photoshop 2.0 there (maybe just not looking hard enough or passed
it by for the "eye candy, superduper" photoshop)
as i have stated, i am using MGI photosuite, paid $10.00 (after
in-store and mail in rebates) about 2 1/2 years ago. better than
the "basic / free" stuff, it gives many filters, touch ups and
special effects but i am looking for more features to take my pic's
to a higher level. (though ya gotta like a guy that use's the free
stuff)
i guess i didn't put in my 1st post that i am wanting to explore
the "upper level" of photography (yeah, right, with an S404) and
see if i have what it takes...... not a full time thing, but a
really good amatuer..... i only have the people in this forum to
blame for that (LOL). the pics are outstanding and are on a level
that i would like to attain someday. while there are numerous
people who take outstanding pics, its Melanie Kipp's stuff that
stays in my brain and makes me want to create images that will stay
with a person.
well, time to go fight the madness again and see if my local BB has
the 2.0 version "on promotion".
--
If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 
sorry Rolf, i was kinda paying attention, i will download photobrush to see how that is....... i have the minolta stuff, ACDsee, and mgi photosuite III right now, and just picked up paintshop (couldn't resist the low price)... no offense meant. i figure the more programs one has, the more stuff can be done...... see below for my philosophy in life...... thanks RK
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If Some Is Good, More Is Better, And Too Much Is Just Right.
 

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