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Am I the only one who wishes Nikon would produce a full frame slr camera?
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Nikkor ED = $0,799.00
Nikkor AF-S = $1,429.99 * replacment VR 70~200 close
Canon ED L = $1,099.00
Canon ED L IS = $1,549.00
Nikkor AF-S = $1,429.99 * replacment VR 70~200 close
Canon ED L = $1,099.00
Canon ED L IS = $1,549.00
........... today I insisted on using the D1x with the SB80DX, I had to set the flash to AA Auto, D-TTL just would not work.
That’s pathetic.
It’s very good on the D100 for instance ~ now what’s the price difference between these two cameras?
One of my two Canon colleagues mentioned once that he can’t understand why Nikon can’t make a simple flash to work as he observed a dozen of us using the SB units at 90 degrees with those little white cards sticking up on our D1/x/h machines.
I love my flash system on the D100 but I want my D1x quality ~ I don’t think it’s too much to ask for BOTH in one camera would you?
And it is precisely because of Nikon’s perceived, if unannounced, delay that has heightened my interest in finding a solution that does offered both in a rugged and fully professional body.
But I know what you mean also ~ I don’t want to go to the Canon forum, that moves so fast with so many messages, it seems the sun revolves around it, I’d be eaten for breakfast over there!
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That’s pathetic.
It’s very good on the D100 for instance ~ now what’s the price difference between these two cameras?
One of my two Canon colleagues mentioned once that he can’t understand why Nikon can’t make a simple flash to work as he observed a dozen of us using the SB units at 90 degrees with those little white cards sticking up on our D1/x/h machines.
I love my flash system on the D100 but I want my D1x quality ~ I don’t think it’s too much to ask for BOTH in one camera would you?
And it is precisely because of Nikon’s perceived, if unannounced, delay that has heightened my interest in finding a solution that does offered both in a rugged and fully professional body.
But I know what you mean also ~ I don’t want to go to the Canon forum, that moves so fast with so many messages, it seems the sun revolves around it, I’d be eaten for breakfast over there!
)TomGallo (AKA RacerX)
Well-known member
And I guess you'll also want Nikon to fix the problems when users turn their cameras into paperweights because the screwed up.
TomGallo (AKA RacerX)
Well-known member
It's beyond my comprehension as to why anyone would think that Nikon isn't going to make a FF camera.
If for no other reason, Nikon needs to make a FF camera to compete with Canon. If they don't Nikon will lose a lot of business to Canon in the long run.
So from my chair, it's plainly obvious that Nikon WILL make a FF camera to compete with the 1Ds and it's successors.
It might not come as fast as some people want it to, but it's inevitable, IMO.
-T
If for no other reason, Nikon needs to make a FF camera to compete with Canon. If they don't Nikon will lose a lot of business to Canon in the long run.
So from my chair, it's plainly obvious that Nikon WILL make a FF camera to compete with the 1Ds and it's successors.
It might not come as fast as some people want it to, but it's inevitable, IMO.
-T
Mark Estrada
Leading Member
So why not invest in a set of good Nikon Primes and good Canon Primes, and just upgrade the bodies whenever something new comes along. It seems like such a waste to sell off the lenses at such a loss during a switch only to make the same loss when switching back. Or you can just invest in Nikon glass and get the Novoflex whatever adapter that allows you to stick a Nikon Mount on a Canon Mount at the loss of AF.
For those wanting to defect from Nikon to Canon, I'll take your AFS 400, 500, and 600's off ya for dirt cheap and take it laughing to the bank.
Get real guys. Just go out and make the best use of the equipment you have. This who is better than who Nikon or Canon is really for the birds. Buy the system that suits your needs and quit whining about what Nikon or Canon will do. They're both great systems.
For those wanting to defect from Nikon to Canon, I'll take your AFS 400, 500, and 600's off ya for dirt cheap and take it laughing to the bank.
Get real guys. Just go out and make the best use of the equipment you have. This who is better than who Nikon or Canon is really for the birds. Buy the system that suits your needs and quit whining about what Nikon or Canon will do. They're both great systems.
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Dave Kunze
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I doubt you'd be eaten for breakfast anywhere! And I know you'd hold your own on the Canon forum. ;-)
kunza
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But I know what you mean also ~ I don’t want to go to the Canon
forum, that moves so fast with so many messages, it seems the sun
revolves around it, I’d be eaten for breakfast over there!
........... it's fully automatic, it would take actual intervention by the user to foul up. I could say more but I’m sworn to secrecy.
I know you cannot believe me but it’s really stupid Nikon knows, it’s only 90 seconds, as was the Olympus before it ~ there is no excuse.
As for doorstop, it’s only a BIOS chip, a mainboard comes with a BIOS chip on every one – tech support can swap one out in about 15 minutes ~ it’s a routine procedure for a whole host of problems.
On our PCs, kill you BIOS chip and it’s about a $60 replacement and another $10 for the tool if it is not actually included with the new chip, open the case, unplug and plug in the new one, PC alive again and ready for input.
Whilst the BIOS chip is hardwired in the camera’s mainboard the procedure is as simple and OS is also in a flash ROM chip so no reloading of the OS and programmes as one could have with a PC after a brain transplant.
It’s not GOD we are talking about, it’s a simple machine that men built to run very simple programmes and if you ever, ever, ever installed a game or put a CD or floppy in a PC or MAC you can update your BIOS in the Nikon camera.
I know you cannot believe me
As for doorstop, it’s only a BIOS chip, a mainboard comes with a BIOS chip on every one – tech support can swap one out in about 15 minutes ~ it’s a routine procedure for a whole host of problems.
On our PCs, kill you BIOS chip and it’s about a $60 replacement and another $10 for the tool if it is not actually included with the new chip, open the case, unplug and plug in the new one, PC alive again and ready for input.
Whilst the BIOS chip is hardwired in the camera’s mainboard the procedure is as simple and OS is also in a flash ROM chip so no reloading of the OS and programmes as one could have with a PC after a brain transplant.
It’s not GOD we are talking about, it’s a simple machine that men built to run very simple programmes and if you ever, ever, ever installed a game or put a CD or floppy in a PC or MAC you can update your BIOS in the Nikon camera.
You can count me in. The way I see it, sooner or later the size of the CCD is gonna be a limiting factor when it comes to resolution.
John
My Nikon SB-28 Flash is for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15238&item=1945947284
And my Nikon 28-80mm f3.5-5.6D AF Zoom Nikkor Lens is also for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3343&item=1945912657
John
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My Nikon SB-28 Flash is for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15238&item=1945947284
And my Nikon 28-80mm f3.5-5.6D AF Zoom Nikkor Lens is also for sale on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3343&item=1945912657
Matthew Cromer
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Matthew Cromer
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Resolutions with the digital SLRs are lens-limited. You can only get the best resolutions with the best lenses, poorer lenses are not delivering the sensor resolution ability.
However, with the DX lenses Nikon will make lenses that can support higher pixel density than any FF lens can supply. Witness their press release about 200 lp/mm resolution lenses in their DX line.
I think Canon is shooting themselves in the foot here. Their biggest strength is wildlife and sports photography because of their IS performance. However, Nikon is catching up there.
With supersharp DX telephotos, Nikon can deliver a 1.5x focal length modifier to their sports shooters, while Canon is headed to FF throughout their line. That means the Nikon sports / wildlife shooter will get an effective lens length 1.5 times the Canon shooter.
Assuming the DX lenses perform to spec as telephotos, the Nikon platform will have an enormous advantage for anyone who needs supertelephoto focal length.
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However, with the DX lenses Nikon will make lenses that can support higher pixel density than any FF lens can supply. Witness their press release about 200 lp/mm resolution lenses in their DX line.
I think Canon is shooting themselves in the foot here. Their biggest strength is wildlife and sports photography because of their IS performance. However, Nikon is catching up there.
With supersharp DX telephotos, Nikon can deliver a 1.5x focal length modifier to their sports shooters, while Canon is headed to FF throughout their line. That means the Nikon sports / wildlife shooter will get an effective lens length 1.5 times the Canon shooter.
Assuming the DX lenses perform to spec as telephotos, the Nikon platform will have an enormous advantage for anyone who needs supertelephoto focal length.
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ib1yysguy
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90% of my photography is done with primes, up close and personal. The rest of the time I'm shooting sports and other such nonsense.
Part of the challange of good photography is getting physically close to your subject. I woudn't object to a full frame system.
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Al
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
Part of the challange of good photography is getting physically close to your subject. I woudn't object to a full frame system.
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Al
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
Group Idiot
Veteran Member
Don't get sucked into (as I am now) the bogus thought that you get more "length" with any form of FOV crop factor.
Taking the Kodak 14n, for example, will give you the identical resolution that a D100 will at the same distance. You will just get MORE FOV on top of it.
The best of both worlds.
Brendan
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Jason Busch
Veteran Member
Kjeld,
I think it shows the intelligence of the Nikon SLR forum when a Canon owner has to come over and make some comments. I guess there will always be those who complain just for the sake of it, and then you have those who follow right behind, because they don't know what the hell they want anyway.
Here's the breakdown of the Nikon SLR Forum:
50% Do Know What They Want & Are Perfectly Content
25% Don't Know What They Want & Chase Ambulances
25% Complain Just Because They Can Be Heard
Personally, I know what I want. I have a D100 and I am enjoying it thoroughly.
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I think it shows the intelligence of the Nikon SLR forum when a Canon owner has to come over and make some comments. I guess there will always be those who complain just for the sake of it, and then you have those who follow right behind, because they don't know what the hell they want anyway.
Here's the breakdown of the Nikon SLR Forum:
50% Do Know What They Want & Are Perfectly Content
25% Don't Know What They Want & Chase Ambulances
25% Complain Just Because They Can Be Heard
Personally, I know what I want. I have a D100 and I am enjoying it thoroughly.
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"Canon's technological superiority seems to be
baruth
Do you really know what you said? Canon came late into DSLR and is still trying to catch up. FF is not going to give you any thing new except getting deeper in to your pocket. Nikon gets it right. You get all the WA you want without spending a fortune.
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Matthew Cromer
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Then what you said would not apply.
I'm comparing systems with equal amounts of MP.
Granted, there will have to be some work to get an APS-sized 14MP sensor with the image quality of a 6MP sensor, but I expect it is doable.
It seems clear that Nikon is going to announce the D2 soon, and that it will be an APS-sized sensor.
Probably around 10-11MP, I expect.
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I'm comparing systems with equal amounts of MP.
Granted, there will have to be some work to get an APS-sized 14MP sensor with the image quality of a 6MP sensor, but I expect it is doable.
It seems clear that Nikon is going to announce the D2 soon, and that it will be an APS-sized sensor.
Probably around 10-11MP, I expect.
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Jason Busch
Veteran Member
Peter,
The reason I tell people not to laugh at the idea of a 14n, is because I know how little people know about it and wish they would give it more serious consideration. Apparently Canon will take a few FF lovers, and that's just fine, but once they get one, they'll have their problems I guarantee you.
As far as I know, the 14n is steady at $5000 and is not increasing. However, the impatience from camera owners is, and this is the problem.
Impatience breeds uncertainty and impulsive behavior. There's a lot of it on the Nikon SLR forum recently.
$8000 for FF camera is not necessary. In fact, a FF camera is not necessary for most photographers. A year from now, an 11-14MP FF will be around $4000, maybe even less. Why waste $4000?
The D1x/h and D100 can handle anything thrown at them, if in the right hands, and maybe this is also the problem. Some may think that Full-Frame will solve their issues, but it may not.
I've seen cameras barely even get cold in some of the hands of Nikon SLR members and they feel they need to move on.
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The reason I tell people not to laugh at the idea of a 14n, is because I know how little people know about it and wish they would give it more serious consideration. Apparently Canon will take a few FF lovers, and that's just fine, but once they get one, they'll have their problems I guarantee you.
As far as I know, the 14n is steady at $5000 and is not increasing. However, the impatience from camera owners is, and this is the problem.
Impatience breeds uncertainty and impulsive behavior. There's a lot of it on the Nikon SLR forum recently.
$8000 for FF camera is not necessary. In fact, a FF camera is not necessary for most photographers. A year from now, an 11-14MP FF will be around $4000, maybe even less. Why waste $4000?
The D1x/h and D100 can handle anything thrown at them, if in the right hands, and maybe this is also the problem. Some may think that Full-Frame will solve their issues, but it may not.
I've seen cameras barely even get cold in some of the hands of Nikon SLR members and they feel they need to move on.
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now factor the time and labour costs to get a bios out of a pc compared to getting to the electronics of a modern camera..
sorta makes your comment nonsense doesnt it
----------- you can't actually change the BIOS chip in a camera, but a mainboard replacement (which contains one as well as a lot of other stuff) was quoted to me at STG£360.
I was hunting my ‘back focus’ issue at the time. I got the exact same quote when hunting my ‘bad battery’ performance.
Two totally different problems, same solution, same cost. What you need to understand is that this is a routine replacement part and the procedure is often done by Nikon in a service anyway.
There may be ten or more parts from different manufactures on the mainboard, most cannot be separated once assembled, now the collection of parts becomes one unit for the camera assembly. At anytime, any one of these manufacturers may supply a faulty part, which goes into the market. If the component is serious enough it may invoke a recall, but mostly the parts are just not going to last their expected lifetime or minor parts just don’t contribute to the overall processing chain.
In these instances the discrepancies are noted and new parts are supplied to the parts pool for mainboard assembly, replacement mainboards are shipped to the tech centres and as each camera comes in for a service the mainboard may be swapped out as a routine for even a minor part failure.
Note: it is very advisable that pro Nikon owners send in their cameras for a yearly service, there tends to be a standard charge regardless of what’s replaced ~ except for user abuse and physical damage. This area of service is one of Nikon’s strongest points and it seems appropriate to mention it here now in this thread. Nikon service has a very respected reputation amongst professionals.
I was hunting my ‘back focus’ issue at the time. I got the exact same quote when hunting my ‘bad battery’ performance.
Two totally different problems, same solution, same cost. What you need to understand is that this is a routine replacement part and the procedure is often done by Nikon in a service anyway.
There may be ten or more parts from different manufactures on the mainboard, most cannot be separated once assembled, now the collection of parts becomes one unit for the camera assembly. At anytime, any one of these manufacturers may supply a faulty part, which goes into the market. If the component is serious enough it may invoke a recall, but mostly the parts are just not going to last their expected lifetime or minor parts just don’t contribute to the overall processing chain.
In these instances the discrepancies are noted and new parts are supplied to the parts pool for mainboard assembly, replacement mainboards are shipped to the tech centres and as each camera comes in for a service the mainboard may be swapped out as a routine for even a minor part failure.
Note: it is very advisable that pro Nikon owners send in their cameras for a yearly service, there tends to be a standard charge regardless of what’s replaced ~ except for user abuse and physical damage. This area of service is one of Nikon’s strongest points and it seems appropriate to mention it here now in this thread. Nikon service has a very respected reputation amongst professionals.
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