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Blooming on D7000

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rattymouse said:
Wow! Now that I have looked at these images on a real screen (my MacBook Pro) instead of my lame Dell, I am blown away at how awful the X10's images are. Truly orbular. Total unacceptable.
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OMG, that's truly horrendous. I never would have realized that WDS could also turn viewers into orbs. This is so totally tubular, but I hope that you can find a crepuscular cure. Maybe we should be shooting photos of X10 owners shooting in harsh daylight. They may already be beyond the reach of a Fuji firmware fix. Stop using that MacBook Pro, soonest!!!
 
. . . worse than the worst orbs posted so far.
cam shooter said:
I find it rather comical when these paid to post doom and gloomers are left scrambling for excuses once presented with samples from other cameras.
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Unless you can name these "paid to post doom and gloomers" and provide some evidence of said payments, one can only conclude that this is a not very comical lie.
 
Hilarious, edu T! Rock on!
 
cam shooter said:
I find it rather comical when these paid to post doom and gloomers
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What sort of insult are you trying to throw with that comment? It makes no sense at all to me.
cam shooter said:
are left scrambling for excuses once presented with samples from other cameras.
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We're left scrambling to figure out why you cannot see a manipulated test when it's right in front of you.
  • the larger images show ORBs everywhere on the X10
  • the dSLR shows none
  • the crops show none, but don't look anything like any part of the larger images from the same cam, leading one to wonder where they came from
A bit of a gong show it seems ... sorry you got sucked in.

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buckshot said:
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buckshot said:
It is interesting they were caused by a red eye removal algorithm, there is much speculation that the X10 orbs are caused by an algorithm
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But they appear in the RAW data too ...
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Well that rules out image manipulation.
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Not necessarily. RAW data isn't viewable, it must be demosaiced by computer software just as cameras do to produce their JPEGs. If Silkypix receives any assistance from Fuji, their software may employ the same algorithms. These presumably won't be used by other company's RAW software, so information about this can be gleaned by comparing the outputs of different RAW converters. If they all show white discs, it's most likely the sensor (assuming that Fuji isn't doing some pre-processing of the RAW data in-camera). If not, then it's the camera's processing that's creating the orbs.
 
Kim Letkeman said:
edu T said:
Has anyone seen the Zombieficator/Zorbenizer effect the D5100 (same sensor as the D7000) features? ( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1002&thread=40032536 )
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Impressive. The post begins with "newbie here" and seems to downhill from there...
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..yet down a pit with no apparent bottom. Case in point, one guy whom I'd like to vote for Patron Saint of the beginner's forum states:

"Looks like your flash and the camera were at such an angle that the retina of the eyes was shining back the light at you.

"If you don't use flash, you need to push up the ISO of the camera. As high as you can accept. Some people don't like the graininess at ISO 3200 so you might want lower but if you use lower, the camera may not cope with the lack of light.

"That's why the organiser's pro photogs have stationed themselves at good standing points."

Uh?
ISO 3200 that bad on a D5100/D7000?
Retina?!?







No wonder how many budding photogs who crave ro learn something here are led into believing that the deepest DoF is a nice bokeh and ISO is a part of exposure (sic).
Funny but sad.
 
edu T said:
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..yet down a pit with no apparent bottom. Case in point, one guy whom I'd like to vote for Patron Saint of the beginner's forum states:

"Looks like your flash and the camera were at such an angle that the retina of the eyes was shining back the light at you.
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I guessed correctly who wrote that and it's almost par for the course. Not sure if it's a guy or a gal, based on what others have posted.
 
Kim Letkeman said:
We're left scrambling to figure out why you cannot see a manipulated test > when it's right in front of you.

the larger images show ORBs everywhere on the X10

the dSLR shows none
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Kim Letkeman said:
the crops show none, but don't look anything like any part of the larger > images from the same cam, leading one to wonder where they came from
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Kim Letkeman said:
A bit of a gong show it seems ... sorry you got sucked in.
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Kim,

They are not crops - I just walked up to the tree and took a closer picture.

I was not trying to prove anything either way with this post. Just some shots of a xmas tree. Neither camera deals with this well IMO. But I think it is important demonstrate that blooming is present on the D7000, IMO (I LOVE both camera by the way - so I am not trying to knock the D7000 either)
 
The main quirks about the X10's blooming is the larger than usual size (eats away too much surrounding image information) and sharpening artifact/outline that makes the discs stand out even more. On RAW previews the outline is practically non-existant, so this is something Fuji can fix via firmware.

And since many orbs already contain some sort of gradients towards the edges Fuji might be able to pull down the highlight levels towards the edges to make them look more like orbs and less like discs (they are not discs, but all those 230-256 range greys look very much like white on most displays). Using more gradients might also blur the outlines enough to prevent the sharpening artifacts from happening.
 
PJInTheUSA said:
They are not crops - I just walked up to the tree and took a closer picture.
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Ok ... that was a really confusing post then. Sorry.
PJInTheUSA said:
I was not trying to prove anything either way with this post. Just some shots of a xmas tree. Neither camera deals with this well IMO. But I think it is important demonstrate that blooming is present on the D7000, IMO (I LOVE both camera by the way - so I am not trying to knock the D7000 either)
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Well, you were trying to prove something ... I'm just not sure what it was any more.

All cameras can bloom a little ... it really depends on how much total light the sensor sees. There is also glare, that can look just like blooming as it spills over a bit into the adjoining area.

The issue with the X10, though, is that a solid white disk is stamped over top of the light, often with a black line surrounding it to make it even more obvious ... and that's not blooming.

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Kim Letkeman said:
Well, you were trying to prove something ... I'm just not sure what it was any more.
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No, really - I am not. I have no conclusions. I took some pics for comments, to try and better understand the issue.

Not everybody is out to prove a point.
Kim Letkeman said:
All cameras can bloom a little ... it really depends on how much total light the sensor sees. There is also glare, that can look just like blooming as it spills over a bit into the adjoining area.

The issue with the X10, though, is that a solid white disk is stamped over top of the light, often with a black line surrounding it to make it even more obvious ... and that's not blooming.
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That helps clarify. Thanks
Kim Letkeman said:
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