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Oly vs Pana, skin-flesh tone!

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Not a m4/3 comparison, but the e520 has Oly colors and I took the same shots at the same focal length with my GF2.















 
Bob Tullis said:
Adventsam said:
453C,

Thanks for your support, it does seem rather hypocritical though dont you think that people enquire as to my age and seemingly immature antics and then, well act like a bunch of school skids themselves. I think this whole issue of Oly skin tone, Panny skin tone deserves some discussion, its in people's head imo.
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Why? I mean why the need to find agreement in what you believe to be true? I get the feeling when you get excited about such things that you take it personally, and it just reads like your self-worth is based on how others perceived the gear you've adopted.

However: It would be better if I could explain to myself THAT about YOU makes me poke at you the way I do from time to time. (That couldn't be a veiled apology, could it?)

Shoot me now.
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OK thanks Bob :-)

Yes I know I am a bit of a fanboy of GH2 (who doesnt) but I am objective too for many reasons;

1) I would easily be persuaded to part with my cash for something that improves over the basic hybrid features-function-iq of the GH2. I have tried Sony a55 for a few weeks and nex5n multiple times for shorter periods, man I am dissapointed. Not to mention d7k, d5.1k and eos 60/00d's etc etc.

2) It is irritating to here people bemoan Pana colour when honestly I see it as very accurrate

So what then if I champion the GH2 because I think its the best thing since sliced bread, I also post plenty of images, some good some bad (I know that) but overall I try to make my comments objective. So I also think people are being a little over sensitive to my percieved fanboyism, in many ways its percieved only and isnt always accurate, a bit like why I started this whole colour thing ;-)
Bobo Hodls said:
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I think skin tones depend on direct light, on ambient light, on reflected light, on all other color changer variables, and, at the end, these colors depend on the taste of the beholder.

For my taste this skin tone is good, but I do not insist this is right and others are not





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GF2 again looks better in this comparison? but hey what does it matter, if anything you may have proved my point, to you its Oly colour, to me its GF1 colour, I bet though gf is closer? although from these neither is cookled and neither is cool, so they both are dong well dont you think?
 
Kevdog said:
Not a m4/3 comparison, but the e520 has Oly colors and I took the same shots at the same focal length with my GF2.
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The photos you show have the same colour, however the Olympus ones are a bight brighter in exposure.

Allan
 
Allan Brown said:
astonehouse said:
You can compare JPEG skin tone with this tool guys:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
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I looked at this and chose the EP3 and G3 to compare.

I compared the still life at 200 side by side on the same monitor.

I see no difference whatsoever in the colours. The Olympus shots are slightly brighter in exposure.

Allan
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Compare the same cameras but select the first image of the woman. You can see the Oly renders skin a bit more life-like, slightly more saturation. It's pretty marginal though..
 
astonehouse said:
Allan Brown said:
I agree. I took the time to adjust the colours on my G3 and the skin tones are very accurate - as are all the colours.
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Out of interest what settings did you change to so that the skin tones looked better than the Olympus out of box settings Allan?

Thanks.
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The first thing I did was, in daylight, adjust the LCD and EVF to show what I was seeing. I then set the camera to "Natural" and made some minor adjustments to the settings so that the camera produced what I was seeing.

I find the G3 to have very accurate colour but it has to be set up. It should come that way out of the box. But, there again, neither did my Nikon.

Allan
 
FWIW my GH2 seems to provide better default skin colors in jpeg after the V 1.1 firmware update.
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Bob Tullis said:
Adventsam said:
453C,

Thanks for your support, it does seem rather hypocritical though dont you think that people enquire as to my age and seemingly immature antics and then, well act like a bunch of school skids themselves. I think this whole issue of Oly skin tone, Panny skin tone deserves some discussion, its in people's head imo.
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Why? I mean why the need to find agreement in what you believe to be true? I get the feeling when you get excited about such things that you take it personally, and it just reads like your self-worth is based on how others perceived the gear you've adopted.

However: It would be better if I could explain to myself THAT about YOU makes me poke at you the way I do from time to time. (That couldn't be a veiled apology, could it?)
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you were doing really good there, and now you are slipping back into your old introspective, navel gazing ways!
Bobo Hodls said:
Shoot me now.
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no doubt.
Bobo Hodls said:
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"Well, sometimes the magic works. . . Sometimes, it doesn't." - Little Big Man
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TEdolph
 
Oly's skin tones are pleasing, but on my E-PL1 and E-PL3 at default settings, they are not anywhere close to accurate. Nor are Oly's skies or green grass; they are "pleasing" but not accurate. The GH2's colors, including skin tones, are not as "pleasing" at default settings, but they are not really any less accurate than Oly's. Take some pics of yourself, look at them on a calibrated monitor and then look in a mirror. I've tested a fair amount with both my Pens and my G series and each needed some adjustments to get skin tones close to accurate. On the E-PL3, I'm shooting Natural, Saturation -2, Gradation - Low Key, Contrast -1 and Auto WB with -1 on the Amber scale, and I find the skin tones to be closer to accurate while still pleasing.

I agree that Oly's skin tones are generally more pleasing, but when folks claim "more accurate" as well, that is just not anywhere close to my experience with two Pens at default settings compared to the Panys. The primary advantage of my E-PL3 appears to be a bit more accurate white balance under artificial light. I've tweaked the Auto WB on my G series and am generally pleased with it, but the Pen seems to be a little more accurate when it comes to WB.
 
I personally think the GF2 colors are more accurate. I think people like Oly colors because it's what they want to see.

The easiest place to see the difference is the color of the concrete on the first 2 pictures. The GF2 is more gray, while the oly has a touch of orangey/yellow to it. I'd have to go outside to look, but I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Also, I think the newer Panasonics don't have color problems like the old ones did.
 
There is just a different way of achieving them (good skin tones), that's all. I've got an Oly, but have seen beautiful work done with Panasonic in that regard. Olympus jpg has come from a very long line of Olympus cameras and lenses, way, way back. Panasonic might need Raw, but for those that know how they are every bit as good and with the newer sensor, sometimes with less noise. Just a different road to the same city.
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Like the Joker said: Why so serious?
 
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