New for RAW - View NX2 v. 2.2.3 - anyone used it?

Stan did a very good post. At some point very soon you are going to want noise reduction, which ViewNX2 doesn't have. If you don't want to spring for CNX2 or Lightroom, there are a number of free self-standing programs (Noiseware) to which you can export tiff from ViewNX.

http://www.imagenomic.com/download_nwsa.aspx

Your results should be excellent, and the cost is zero.

If you want to do more to your pics, you can open a full size jpg in Pixlr, which can do a lot more than ViewNX and is also free:

http://pixlr.com/
 
Nope. It's pretty much the same thing. A point release means they added some minor features, and a point-point release means they fixed bugs or added cameras. 2.2.3 is just a couple of bug fixes over 2.2.1. 2.2.1 added cameras and fixed a bunch of bugs. Before that 2.1.1 added cameras and minor features, and before that 2.0.3 was the "version 2" release that simply added some editing features such as crop, straightening, and most important, Axial Color Abberation correction. . . . .

View NX does not perform operations in 16-bit.
One significant issue I have with ViewNX is that it always boosts the exposure of my images. . .
I don't know - so far I have only shot JPEGs, and have found that I prefer the results, outdoors in reasonable light, if I leave the D90 on -.67 EV...
Yes...that's Nikon's image processing engine boosting the exposure, so you have to lower your exposure to undo it. The spot and CW metering of the D90 is pretty much dead-on 12.7%. Matrix metering is always unpredictable and may overexpose or underexpose depending on what the camera thinks it's looking at...but is usually pretty good when the DR of the scene is reasonable.

Since I use Raw Therapee to edit image, I don't get the exposure boost so I never have to underexpose my images (which only adds noise.) I don't know why Nikon's image processing is so poor, but it's generally better to let some other software process your images. Something like Photoshop Elements is very good and not that expensive.
Thanks . . . so you would recommend developing the RAW files with Raw Therapee, then processing the JPEG with PS Elements (I have PSE5) . . . is that right?

Mike
 
Stan did a very good post. At some point very soon you are going to want noise reduction, which ViewNX2 doesn't have. If you don't want to spring for CNX2 or Lightroom, there are a number of free self-standing programs (Noiseware) to which you can export tiff from ViewNX.
Thanks, I have been using Noiseware Community on compact camera files, when needed, for several years. I find it works much better on DSLR files because they have noise, whereas the compact camera files have masses of NR artifacts too.
If you want to do more to your pics, you can open a full size jpg in Pixlr, which can do a lot more than ViewNX and is also free:
I haven't heard of or tried Pixlr, how would you rate it against Picasa or PS Elements 5? I mostly use Picasa, and then Noiseware if required. I haven't taken the time to really learn PSE5.

Mike
 
Thanks . . . so you would recommend developing the RAW files with Raw Therapee, then processing the JPEG with PS Elements (I have PSE5) . . . is that right?
That's one way to do it. If you get the latest version of PSE you can do it all in PSE.

You can use Raw Therapee for some of the up-front work with exposure compensation, highlight recovery, and other functions that it does so well. However, once you need to isolate a portion of the image to work on it then you need to get into PSE. With PSE 5 you've got adjustment layers with masks and other ways to select areas of the image. I think PSE 10 offers even more refined tools.

For example, sharpening in RT is pretty much all or nothing, whereas with PSE you can selectively sharpen areas of an image. I never sharpen sky, so that's always masked off. Sharpening thresholds may differ between areas of the same image, so it's helpful to be able to mask off or select an area to work on.

But then again, I'm talking about serious post-processing, where you're working one image to perfection. For many people, one of the preset profiles in RT do a very good job.

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For my uses, an amateur with a Nikon camera who shoots raw+jpeg and processes a few thousand images a year (as opposed to a month), View NX2 is excellent value for the money as an image importer, browser and rater with full access to camera information and settings.

I agree that one tends to outgrow it quickly as a raw processor, so I use VNX2 to call CNX2 to process virtually all my keepers. I do have, and like, Raw Therapee as well as ACR/CS5 and Dx0. I sometimes use Raw Therapee and Dx0 on particularly difficult images, almost never ACR

I have no idea what the poster who says VNX2 boosts exposure of images means. In fact one of VNX2's strenghts as a raw-processor is that it opens the file and displays it exactly like it looked on the in-camera screen/jpeg. As far as rendering raw files of Nikon cameras in a low volume workflow, Nikon software (I am speaking about CNX2 - but I am told that VNX2 has the same raw engine) does an excellent job with a minimum amount of fuss.

RT is for advanced users (I use it on especially difficult images) but it lacks the ability to perform local edits, which forces you to switch to a different program like PS to finish 'development'; that's a biggie and a deal breaker for me on my regular workflow because CNX2 is instead brilliant at local edits and I can typically finish 95% of my keepers quickly just within it. The version of ACR which you get with PSE is quite limited.

I also disagree with not using matrix metering because it's unreliable. Unless you are shooting in a specific, well known situation that you have time to prepare for, I feel that matrix metering combined with auto-ADL gives the most consistent OOC results. It works especially well if your exposure strategy is ETTR version 2011 (see here)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1018&message=38342664
In other words, read around and don't get all of your info from one source :-)

Cheers,
Jack
 
I have no idea what the poster who says VNX2 boosts exposure of images means.
Get yourself an evenly lit gray card (or even an evenly-lit white wall...doesn't matter,) perform a custom white balance, spot meter, and take a picture.

In Raw Therapee with the "neutral" profile, you'll get RGB values of 100, 100, 100 at the metered spot...plus or minus 5. If you examine the image with Rawnalyze and apply the white balance from the camera, you'll get sRGB values of around 100. That's the correct value, as the meter calibration works out to 12.7% reflectance, and that equals sRGB 100, 100, 100.

In ViewNX 2 with the Neutral picture control, you'll get 155, 155, 155. Even with my custom picture control (which basically doesn't apply any processing) I get 140, 140, 140. This behavior of ViewNX and the camera's processing engine causes people to claim that Nikon's overexpose, and I see lots of images with -.33 or -.67 of EC applied.
In fact one of VNX2's strenghts as a raw-processor is that it opens the file and displays it exactly like it looked on the in-camera screen/jpeg.
That's right...the camera JPEG is boosted as well.
I also disagree with not using matrix metering because it's unreliable.
Well, as no one else in the thread mentioned Matrix metering I'm assuming that you're referring to my statement of matrix being unpredictable. Matrix metering is unpredictable by design because it applies its own exposure compensation. Matrix will meter the entire frame and will use the metering pattern and scene colors to search its database of over 30,000 scenes to find a match. If it finds one, then it will apply the exposure compensation that had previous been determined for that scene by some Nikon photographer. So the camera will recognize, for example, a beach scene, and apply positive EC because the bright colors of the beach and sky tend to cause such scenes to be underexposed. A problem that people experience is that a slight shift in composition will change the exposure by a questionably large amount. The likely reason is that Matrix matched a different scene with a different EC.

So a photographer's evaluation of the reliability of Matrix metering will depend largely upon the type of images captured. Someone who sticks to the type of scenes in the database will get great results. Someone who prefers abstract, macro, or other types of "artsy" photography will likely have less reliable metering.

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You can use Raw Therapee for some of the up-front work with exposure compensation, highlight recovery, and other functions . . . . . .
Thank you for your further reply. I'l have to read all these replies a couple of times more before I have got my head round it all . . . :)

Mike
 
For my uses, an amateur with a Nikon camera who shoots raw+jpeg and processes a few thousand images a year (as opposed to a month), View NX2 is excellent value for the money as an image importer, browser and rater with full access to camera information and settings . . . . . . . .
Thank you Jack, for all your comments, without quoting them all.
I also disagree with not using matrix metering because it's unreliable. . . . . . .
Re metering (and focus) - my habit for decades, albeit as an average but interested amateur, has been to use Aperture Priority mode and to set central area focus and centre-weighted metering, to focus on my main subject, and to hold and recompose if desired . Focus and metering is thus on my main subject and is locked by the half-press if I recompose.

With the D90 I have only just started and have not yet checked whether, at default, the half-press also locks the metering. I have set and locked Wide Center Point AF Area and can shift to Small Center Point for Spot Focus.

I feel that using multiple AF points, except maybe Dynamic Area for fast action shooting, would slow me down, and I am a bit on the slow side already!

But I have been influenced by Ken Rockwell in his D90 guide where he says that the Centre-Weighted Metering is just for old-timers, and that he mainly uses Matrix Metering, so my D90 is set on Matrix at the moment - but may not stay there.

(Ken also says that he likes Vivid with +3 Saturation, but I don't think I shall be going there . . . :) )

Mike
 
Hi Graystar. I have no issue with the fact that different raw converters will produce images that look differently when rendered from the same raw data - they all use different parameters. Unless you want to use your camera as a very expensive light meter there is nothing wrong with that fact and no image is more 'correct' than any other. They are simply different interpretations of the same data and what counts in the end is the image that looks best to you. RT Neutral is a starting point typically very far from the average photographer's objective (that's why in the interest of time it is best to start with another profile). Like Rawnalyze it is a diagnostic tool rather than anything else. Nikon's rendering engine gets you much, much closer to the objective thanks in part to scene dependent pre-sets (aka Picture Controls). A 'Neutral' PC uses very different parameters than the similarly named profile in RT; each has different objectives.

My issue is with your statement that
ViewNX is increasing the brightness by applying Exposure Compensation
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Nikon's image processing engine boosting the exposure
the key word being exposure. I have been using Nikon Software weekly for about five years and I have never seen it boost Exposure Compensation (even subliminally) by itself*. It might choose to display an image with higher contrast or brightness (than, for example, RT Neutral does), or it might handle white balance differently but none of these parameters have anything to do with Exposure Compensation - you are not losing any data. And it does it to get you closer to the objective. If you do not like the result you can change them.

Which brings us to metering. I agree that in controlled situations spot metering may be the better choice. I was referring to the typical spontaneous situation such as an afternoon hike where, in my experience, brother blue sky and Mr. Green jeans are more laborious and do not get you closer to the objective than matrix.

However, in either case if a digital photographer does not look at the histogram for guidance on 'exposure' decisions, he/she is most likely leaving IQ on the table. And if they do, then why do they need the absolute precision of a light meter in their metering decisions? It's all relative. As long as they don't blow highights they want to keep and the image looks good on the in-camera screen/Jpeg, they are good to go (a raw-data histogram would be even better - coming soon to a future camera near you). And if they use V/CNX2 their PP starting point is going to look just as good and their session that much shorter :-)

Cheers,
Jack
*ADL excepted, of course.
 
With the D90 I have only just started and have not yet checked whether, at default, the half-press also locks the metering.
It does, the D90 is also my weapon of choice.
But I have been influenced by Ken Rockwell in his D90 guide where he says that the Centre-Weighted Metering is just for old-timers, and that he mainly uses Matrix Metering, so my D90 is set on Matrix at the moment - but may not stay there.
In the end it is of course best to do what feels right to you. I went full circle (back to matrix + histogram check) for walking around.
(Ken also says that he likes Vivid with +3 Saturation, but I don't think I shall be going there . . . :) )
Yeah, I went full circle there as well (back to standard with all PC settings at default). And, since we are confessing, I also had a heavy sharpening phase that I fortunately outgrew quickly :-)

Jack
 
ViewNX is increasing the brightness by applying Exposure Compensation
and
Nikon's image processing engine boosting the exposure
the key word being exposure. I have been using Nikon Software weekly for about five years and I have never seen it boost Exposure Compensation (even subliminally) by itself*.
But if it were...how would you have recognized it? As I said, many people just think that Nikon cameras overexpose, and so will keep some negative EC set on the camera.

As for different software rendering differently...that's not so. Camera exposure is based on a standard, as is the conversion of that data into a color space (RAW converters are updated for new cameras because color profiles and bit depths are different.) All RAW converters should come up with the same image after demosaicing with the same algorithm (and even with different algorithms, color and detail differences will be slight between programs.) As I said...if you spot meter a neutral area of a scene, the sRGB conversion of the spot should be 100, 100, 100 regardless of the camera or software. Otherwise you'd never be able to use an external light meter to set your exposure.

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With the D90 I have only just started and have not yet checked whether, at default, the half-press also locks the metering.
It does, the D90 is also my weapon of choice.
No...by default the D90 does NOT lock exposure on the half-press. Canons do...Nikons don't. You can change that behavior with Custom Settings " c1:Shutter-Release Button AE-L ".

See page 179 of the D90 English manual...

"At the default setting of Off , exposure only locks when the AE-L/AF-L button is pressed. If On is selected, exposure will also lock when the shutter-release button is pressed halfway. This option is available in all shooting modes."

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With the D90 I have only just started and have not yet checked whether, at default, the half-press also locks the metering.
It does, the D90 is also my weapon of choice.
Graystar says it doesn't - I've checked C1 on page 179 of the manual and he seems to be right. So I have switched that C1 to On.
But I have been influenced by Ken Rockwell in his D90 guide where he says that the Centre-Weighted Metering is just for old-timers, and that he mainly uses Matrix Metering, so my D90 is set on Matrix at the moment - but may not stay there.
In the end it is of course best to do what feels right to you. I went full circle (back to matrix + histogram check) for walking around.
For walking around, do you use Auto-Area AF mode?
(Ken also says that he likes Vivid with +3 Saturation, but I don't think I shall be going there . . . :) )
Yeah, I went full circle there as well (back to standard with all PC settings at default). And, since we are confessing, I also had a heavy sharpening phase that I fortunately outgrew quickly :-)
I went as far as Vivid with +1 Saturation but it was a bit over-the-top for me. I may use Vivid "as is" occasionally but in general I am thinking of Standard with, maybe, +1 or +2 Saturation and Sharpness 5. I leave Active D-Lighting on all the time.

Mike
 
With the D90 I have only just started and have not yet checked whether, at default, the half-press also locks the metering.
It does, the D90 is also my weapon of choice.
No...by default the D90 does NOT lock exposure on the half-press. . . . . .
OK, thanks, page 179 is quite clear and I have switched C1 to On.

By the way, I haven't found a Power-Saving mode yet, where you can set the power to go off in x minutes, etc. I just took my D90 out of the cupboard/closet and found that it has been "On" since Saturday!

Mike
 
So I have switched that C1 to On.
Why? Do you have a specific reason for doing so?

AE Lock on the shutter is good for people who like to focus and recompose. That is, they focus on the subject when the subject is in the middle of the frame. Then they reframe the subject while keeping the shutter half-pressed. Then they take the shot.

You can do this now by focusing and then pressing and holding the AE-L/AF-L button...then recompose and shoot. It's a little more tedious to use the AE-L button, so if you practice F&R all the time then I can see how you'd want AE-Lock on the shutter button.

But there are two major problems with F&R. The first problem appears when using a fast lens such as the 50mm f/1.8. If you're shooting with a large aperture, your subject may go out of focus when you recompose your scene. The second problem is with Matrix metering. Your exposure is being based on one type of scene structure, and then you're changing the structure so the exposure might not be appropriate.

Both these problems are mitigated by moving the focus point and allowing exposure to float until the last second. And that's how the D90 is configured by default. With no AE-Lock on the shutter and Auto AF-Area as the default AF-Area mode, you should be able to simply frame the scene as you like and shoot. The camera is supposed to be able to recognize human subjects, and will focus on them.

But like many things...nothing is perfect. Sometimes when focusing on scenes with no people (and even with people sometimes) Auto AF-Area will get it wrong. So people like to stick to one of the other AF-Area modes.

For F&R practitioners, the 3D Tracking AF-Area mode is one to try. You first focus on your subject at the center of the frame, then while holding the shutter half-pressed, you reframe your shot. What should happen is that the focus point should move and stay on your subject. What will also happen is that if your subject goes out of focus, the camera will initiate auto-focus and keep your subject sharp.
Stop reading Ken Rockwell right now...just stop. Leave the camera on the Standard picture control for now, and later you can decide if you want all your images to look like a carnival.

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By the way, I haven't found a Power-Saving mode yet, where you can set the power to go off in x minutes, etc. I just took my D90 out of the cupboard/closet and found that it has been "On" since Saturday!
The "Power-Saving" mode is when the meter shuts off. If you run the meter continuously then the battery will die in about 8-10 hours. Otherwise, you can leave the camera on for many days and still have power. A second battery is a good investment. Get a real Nikon battery...there's no good sense in risking your $800 dollar camera to save 10 bucks on some "equivalent" no-name brand. Good quality Li-ion batteries have voltage limiters and sometimes current limiters, and the quality of these electronics is as important as the quality of the cells. Don't skimp.

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But if it were...how would you have recognized it?
I could because I understand the inner workings of a raw converter. I could tell you how to recognize it, but then I'd have to shoot you - or more likely this forum's members would shoot us both first out of utter boredom :-)
As for different software rendering differently...that's not so. Camera exposure is based on a standard, as is the conversion of that data into a color space.
Yes, but conversion to a colorimetric color space is a very small piece of the rendering puzzle. Most raw converters need to make dozens of other assumptions and decisions before rendering an image and no two make the same ones. Have you noticed for instance that none give the exact same colors even when white balance is set by sampling a calibrated gray card in the image? That's because you can perform white balance calculations a number of different ways...




All RAW converters should come up with the same image after demosaicing with the same algorithm (and even with different algorithms, color and detail differences will be slight between programs.)
If you are interested in an exciting debate, try posting the first half of your sentence above followed by an exclamation mark as the title of a new thread in the Open Talk forum, where several raw converter developers hang out.
As I said...if you spot meter a neutral area of a scene, the sRGB conversion of the spot should be 100, 100, 100 regardless of the camera or software. Otherwise you'd never be able to use an external light meter to set your exposure.
And here we just have to agree to disagree, because that's a false dichotomy for the average shooter like us. With DSLR's you have the very best built-in light meter ever - calibrated, profiled and perfectly matched to your camera's metering system: it's called a (raw? not yet) histogram :-)

However, if you want to make available one of your gray-card spot metered NEFs I would be more than glad to post how they are rendered without adjustments simply by opening them in my four raw converters in their 'default' or 'neutral' setting. Perhaps a new thread in the Open Talk forum?

Cheers,
Jack
 
With regard to Photobola Rawnalyze, the latest version I found was 2.10.4. Is there a more recent version? I think it doesn't natively support the D7K, so do I convert a NEF to DNG then open in Rawnalyze? Thank you.
 

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