SD1 is useless

So yes, as it turns out the file I uploaded wasn't corrupt and I can open it fine as long as I don't open a corrupt file first. If I do open a corrupt file first, then I'm finding I need to shut down SPP and relaunch to prevent the ghosting of images into the current opened one.
OK - so this means that the file you uploaded, and lots of people have tested was not corrupt? Is that so?

In that case, can you please upload one of the corrupt files?

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LOL, those are actually my file. Where did u grab this from?

And its not taken with SD1, its taken with DP2. And yes it has the issue when opened with SPP but i used LR to open it to solve that one.
Mike, Not gonna be a great help 'cause I don't own an SD1, but I did remember one of the SD1 raw files I downloaded for "examination" had a similar problem.

3 files in a folder, the other 2 seem to be fine, but this one goes wacko with the ghost of one of the other images "ghosted" in the background.

The second example is with the file in a separate folder, and it's still wacko, but doesn't have the "ghosting" of another image.

Based on this I'd say the file/files is/are corrupt. I have about 10 other SD1 files in another folder and they all behave properly.

Perhaps the card has an anomaly :( that screws up the files. As far as the file I show corrupted, I've just assumed either the download was corruupt or the orginal was corrupt.

Not ruling about a bad body either, just can't make that assessment. I do know that SPP5 doesn't play well with SD10 Files.

Bon Chance Mike, Hopefully you can find a solution without too much more furstration. I'd be more than a little "perturbed" (insert other appropriate word/s as needed) myself.

Hopefully this corroboration(?) helps a little bit

Mike: Windows XP Pro SP3







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LOL, those are actually my file. Where did u grab this from?

And its not taken with SD1, its taken with DP2. And yes it has the issue when opened with SPP but i used LR to open it to solve that one.
My bad, mate.....It was in a folder I had for downloaded SD1 files so I had assumed it was an SD1 file (didn't even bother to check the exif data).......very sorry, to all who were misled. :(

I remembered seeing the problem when first trying to open it a while back and it seemed similar to the problem Mike was having and, thinking I might be able to help (another apparently misguided assumption), I posted my thoughts.

Not sure where I got it from; I just looked and the date that the image was "created" on my computer was 2/17/11, so I'm assuming that was the date I downloaded it. You, or someone you know, must have posted it for download at some point around that time.

Mike
 
OK - so this means that the file you uploaded, and lots of people have tested was not corrupt? Is that so?

In that case, can you please upload one of the corrupt files?
Correct, in another part of this thread I explained that the file I uploaded was not in fact corrupt, but that I thought it was because of how SPP was compromised after opening ANY corrupt file prior to a good file.

And no. I can't upload corrupt files. I delete them as I hit them. Why would I keep 50mb files on my hard drive when Sigma has no professional support? It's pointless. SD1 owners as SD14/15 owners are on their own. Despite the $7000 price tag, your flying blind.

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And no. I can't upload corrupt files. I delete them as I hit them. Why would I keep 50mb files on my hard drive when Sigma has no professional support? It's pointless.
Well, make me a pointless favor - save one corrupted file and send it to me for analyzis. After that you may delete it.

It could be possible that such file can be repaired without trip to Japan. Probability of success is low, but nonzero. From my three corrupted SD14 files two were 100% recovereable and one was just empty - 67% success in that case.

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He Chunsum...

You sound like those guys from SD9 days who would say "You have dust? I don't get any dust on mine and blah blah blah". Or you-know-who who practically wanted blood signed statements about battery problems.

So I have to say that I infer from your post, whether rightfully or not, that the problem is not likely to be with DC's camera since yours doesn't do this and he does some undefined action called "pushing".

Ergo I would suggest, since you are a very gracious person and very experienced in buffer techniques and buffer management, that you offer to TRADE YOUR SD1 FOR HIS and help him out. I certainly would do that but I am not so gracious as you.

Hope you are having fun in the windy city!!

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how are you 'pushing' the buffers?

I've pushed it the SD1 by shooting various 15+ shot panos on a Transcend 266X card.

4 days and 2200+ total shots in Wyoming and not one bad file. I even processed them on a 11" core2Duo Macbook air.
Here comes the punchline. Because this is NOT my SD1. It is the one you tested yourself.

There you go folks. This is a SD1 being passed around to be tested in the wild.

I've been pounding it just as I have any camera I've ever shot with. So far it has been nothing but a challenge. I'm willing to give it some slack to find where the sweet spot is, but it has been a digital nightmare thusfar.

As for CF cards Chunsum. The majority of my main go to cards are half the speed you used. 133x. They were top of the line when I bought them. They produced ZERO corrupt files on any DSLR prior to the SD1. Zero. They were and are flawless with the Nikon D3, Canon 5DM2, but virtually worthless on the SD1 when pushing the buffer.

When I got the camera my hopes were to show the camera off and it's abilities, instead I've been fighting it every second I've had it. Only the final IQ keeps me going to find a workable solution.

So far it has been a terrible camera to use for:
1. Model Shoots
2. Wildlife
3. Landscapes during fast changing magic light of a typical sunrise or sunset

Furthermore, I have shot the SD1 against a 12mp Nikon D3 for a wide angle shoot for an architectural interior and it failed terribly. Probably because sigma has not high quality wide angle lens.

I shoot every single day with the Nikon D3 and the industry standard Nikon 14-24mm f/2.8G which has won head to head with every 35mm option including Canon and Zeiss in that range. ...... Sigma SD1 + 8-16mm falls well short in quality and sharpness. Incredibly short. Canon's soft as hell 16-35mm f/2.8L II makes Sigma's wide angle options look like point and shoots.

I used the Sigma 8-16mm on many a commercial shoot which you can view here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22293060@N05/sets/72157626468017589/

I have never had more complaints about lack of detail in my photography than in that series of images and I was shooting with an 18mp Canon 60D and the Sigma 8-16mm lens.

..............................

Yes, that is a break line. Because here is the short and sweet answer to lens quality and image quality. Sigma has some amazing glass. However, it lacks the full range of amazing glass that other systems have. Only a handful of the newest lenses can fully take advantage of the SD1's sensor.

I won't even adress the price issue. If you follow my blog I'll have a full video review of the SD1 online by the end of Dec. I'm a foveon fanboy, but my review will come from someone that earns a weekly paycheck strictly from photography and nothing else and why I would or wouldn't purchase at a certain price point.

I own 3 SD14s and use them weekly and commercially alongside my Nikon D3 and Canon 5DM2. Each is a tool.

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My SD1 review will appear on my blog. hdriblog.com

I won't be following up in this forum thread or any other forum threads here on dpreview. I don't have the time given this is my busy season and I'm busy shooting architecture day in and day out. So I'll only be responding to comments on my blog regarding the SD1 once I've completed the review. FYI.

Here's a recent post of a SD1 capture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22293060@N05/6435067037/in/photostream/lightbox/

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Well,

That was unexpected. I was hoping you'll share more detail as to our shooting style or method. I push the buffer by keeping it full 15-30 consecutive shots mostly in multishot mode. you could be using single shot with bracketing and etc but I am thinking there is something would would cause the rouble you are having.

The camera has made its round qith quite a few users and it is a preproduction body, but I don't think anyone had the problems you had. I suppose it could be anything.

I can't say I agree with your conclusions on the camera, but I guess you shouldn't expect me to. I have no experience with models but I've seen some great model shots produced with the SD1 by forum members, I have also seen a some great wildlife shots though not many. As for landscapes, well, I've done a few myself and I have no issues with 'fast changing light'.

But, it's your opinion and I can respect that. I will definitely check your blog for more.

Don't work too hard.

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Well,

That was unexpected. I was hoping you'll share more detail as to our shooting style or method. I push the buffer by keeping it full 15-30 consecutive shots mostly in multishot mode. you could be using single shot with bracketing and etc but I am thinking there is something would would cause the rouble you are having.

The camera has made its round qith quite a few users and it is a preproduction body, but I don't think anyone had the problems you had. I suppose it could be anything.

I can't say I agree with your conclusions on the camera, but I guess you shouldn't expect me to. I have no experience with models but I've seen some great model shots produced with the SD1 by forum members, I have also seen a some great wildlife shots though not many. As for landscapes, well, I've done a few myself and I have no issues with 'fast changing light'.

But, it's your opinion and I can respect that. I will definitely check your blog for more.

Don't work too hard.
Since I bought my own SD1, I have a production body and except for one issue with a very cheap CF card, I have not had any of the issues the OP has described. In addition to my "for fun" landscape shooting, I have shot a wedding and two charity events with the SD1 and it has performed very well. No lockups, no corrupted images, etc...

If the SD1 being "passed around" is a pre-production body, it should probably go back to Sigma for a production replacement.
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OK - so this means that the file you uploaded, and lots of people have tested was not corrupt? Is that so?

In that case, can you please upload one of the corrupt files?
Correct, in another part of this thread I explained that the file I uploaded was not in fact corrupt, but that I thought it was because of how SPP was compromised after opening ANY corrupt file prior to a good file.

And no. I can't upload corrupt files. I delete them as I hit them. Why would I keep 50mb files on my hard drive when Sigma has no professional support? It's pointless. SD1 owners as SD14/15 owners are on their own. Despite the $7000 price tag, your flying blind.
You just found some more you said in another post... You can't even keep 1 to share?

Most interesting part was that all went well on the iMac and now on your Mac Pro you have a problem. My bet is that the problem lays there somewhere as I have not heard any fellow SD1 owner report this problem. For myself I used several cards from several manufacturers at several speeds. Not one corrupted file on at least 10.000 files.

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You just found some more you said in another post... You can't even keep 1 to share?
Sounds weird, yes. But there might be a good explanation.
Most interesting part was that all went well on the iMac and now on your Mac Pro you have a problem. My bet is that the problem lays there somewhere as I have not heard any fellow SD1 owner report this problem. For myself I used several cards from several manufacturers at several speeds. Not one corrupted file on at least 10.000 files.
The main problem with discussions like this is that all data points are anecdotical. One says si and one says so ... and one claims si and another so. And ... everything might be just as said ... or in the worst case just misunderstandings or lies. We dont know.

Personally I have ever never have had any problem with any combination of camera and card. That does not say anything at all regarding DCI having it with his SD1 - or not.

If I did not get it wrong he had borrowed a pre production camera that many other have borrowed. Usually when borrowing pre production stuff you have an NDA and are not supposed to tell anything regarding how the camera is doing. Not saying that this is the case in this case.

It gives it a rather peculiar value though. What is it worth? A pre production camera that does not behave for one tester but have been used by several others?

Or are we sure its the camera? I mean ... we have no corrupt files to look at. And then we are back where we began :)

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You just found some more you said in another post... You can't even keep 1 to share?
Sounds weird, yes. But there might be a good explanation.
If someone claims something as bad as he does I'd like to see it backed up. I find it at the least peculiar that he can't provide one corrupted file but does share a file with missed focus? Why to save that one if space is such an issue?
Most interesting part was that all went well on the iMac and now on your Mac Pro you have a problem. My bet is that the problem lays there somewhere as I have not heard any fellow SD1 owner report this problem. For myself I used several cards from several manufacturers at several speeds. Not one corrupted file on at least 10.000 files.
The main problem with discussions like this is that all data points are anecdotical. One says si and one says so ... and one claims si and another so. And ... everything might be just as said ... or in the worst case just misunderstandings or lies. We dont know.

Personally I have ever never have had any problem with any combination of camera and card. That does not say anything at all regarding DCI having it with his SD1 - or not.
Well I did have quite some with the SD14 in the past so I was at first a bit worried.
If I did not get it wrong he had borrowed a pre production camera that many other have borrowed. Usually when borrowing pre production stuff you have an NDA and are not supposed to tell anything regarding how the camera is doing. Not saying that this is the case in this case.
Seems like it is not. If this guy is a pro he would never risk breaching an NDA is he had signed one.
It gives it a rather peculiar value though. What is it worth? A pre production camera that does not behave for one tester but have been used by several others?
I also think there are other issues at hand. The camera is not working out for him. This is very possible, the camera has a certain temperament ;)
Or are we sure its the camera? I mean ... we have no corrupt files to look at. And then we are back where we began :)
I suspect it is not the camera given the travel history of this camera.

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My SD1 review will appear on my blog. hdriblog.com

I won't be following up in this forum thread or any other forum threads here on dpreview. I don't have the time given this is my busy season and I'm busy shooting architecture day in and day out. So I'll only be responding to comments on my blog regarding the SD1 once I've completed the review. FYI.

Here's a recent post of a SD1 capture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/22293060@N05/6435067037/in/photostream/lightbox/
Why do you butt out? You started this discussion.

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it's interesting how when a camera is used in a professional environment things seem to change, don't they :-)

IT's all exacerbated by the ridiculous price they are charging. I wonder if Sigma should just sell the Foveon as a sensor for other companies to use. Focus on lenses (and improving their quality) and selling the sensor. Let someone else who can make the sensor "sing" do it.

That said seems like some of the issues can be solved with more development but when you are a working pro and pay so much for a camera like this you expect things to just work.

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IT's all exacerbated by the ridiculous price they are charging.
Yes, plus the SA mount.
I wonder if Sigma should just sell the Foveon as a sensor for other companies to use. Focus on lenses (and improving their quality) and selling the sensor. Let someone else who can make the sensor "sing" do it.
Except that Sigma never have been interested in becoming a sensor manufacturer. They want to sell lenses and to have a stunning SLR system. How the DP cameras fit into that I dont know, maybe it was just a fun thing to do.
That said seems like some of the issues can be solved with more development but when you are a working pro and pay so much for a camera like this you expect things to just work.
Its very hard for a camera company without customers to become a pro camera supplier just because you make a camera and a press release with a high price. I would say - almost impossible.

To sell to many pros it needs a Nikon or a Canon mount and a much lower price, maybe $2000. Maybe even a Pentax or Sony mount are options, I dont know.

With SA mount it will only sell to enthusiasts. And if you want to sell very well it has to be in the $1000 level. And somehow you have to be able to get a few well chosen lenses with stellar performance, without tinkering with diverse used lenses like DaSigmaGuy. So - even for enthusiasts, the SA mount is questionable.

And neither of this will give you a stunning SLR system. To do that you need much more ... much, much more.

But some here says that Sigma takes the long perspective. Yeah ... maybe ... the very, very long perspective. In in that time span anything might happen. Maybe then SLR cameras and a few mega pixel stuff is since long forgotten and the SD3 pops up as cool retro stuff, like Daguerrotype or something.

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I wonder if Sigma should just sell the Foveon as a sensor for other companies to use.
Well Foveon tried to do just that for a number of years and nearly went out of business doing so. They were bought for a song by Sigma specifically because given the opportunity no other camera manufacturer wanted to use their sensors. They pounded on the door of every manufacturer for years but no one answered. Foveon was a sensor company trying to sell the X3 to anyone who would buy one and that business model failed, probably no reason for Sigma to repeat the experiment. On the other hand, nothing could be as stupid as their business decisions regarding the SD1...

Unfortunately if you want to try out the Foveon technology you are stuck with a Sigma body for the foreseeable future :(
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I think on one end we have Olympus a bit desperate for a new sensor. Rumor has it they already tried it and it was the high ISO performance the deal breaker but that's just a rumor.

Also Foveon as a startup absolutely needed to sell their sensor. As part of Sigma, Sigma can carry on/absorb some of the initial cost in evangelizing it. They could also license their patents and get some cash out of it.

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