A few comments on the X100

2 things will happen if you do decide to keep it;

1 - You will get used to its quirks and learn to work with them and love the camera.

2 - The exposures will start to screw up as the aperture blades start to have problems (see sticky blade issue in other threads).

Sorry but this is inevitable. I have handled several of these cameras after returning the first one that I purchased and not one did NOT have the issue sooner or later. I firmly believe that the people who do not have the issue, don't know it's there as sometimes it is very subtle and hardly noticeable.
Yes, and you woke up with a pimple on your A$$ three days in a row too, so its inevitable that the rest of us will wake up with pimples on ours as well.

Man, you are a paragon of logic. Remind me never to hire you to represent me in a court of law.

I have a X100 since mid-April, have taken thousands of exposures, KNOW what the sticky aperture blade problem looks like and how to test for it, and mine does NOT have it. But I'll check for A$$ pimples tomorrow...

-Ray
-------------------------
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20889767@N05/collections/72157626204295198/
 
Quick background. I have an array of Nikon gear, D3, D700 being my main work bodies with a long list of pro lenses from 16mm fisheye to 300 2.8. I shoot sports, wedding and commercial work and photography is how I earn my money.
No hostility, but I coulda predicted it. People coming from DSLR's tend to be disappointed with the X100 because while the IQ is damn good, its not BETTER than a good DSLR and the camera doesn't operate at ALL like a modern DSLR. And people who expect it to are gonna be disappointed.

I love it because it shoots like some of my favorite old film cameras - it forces me to slow down and think about what I'm doing a bit more and, yet, when I'm working with it a lot, it all becomes very automatic and its quirks don't feel like quirks anymore. And while giving me a different shooting experience from my other modern cameras, it produces really beautiful digital files that I can work with to my heart's content - or not. If I was looking for the performance of a DSLR, or even of my current m43 cam, I wouldn't look to the X100 - that's not what it DOES. But taken as a camera that will give you something LIKE an old-time shooting experience but will produce beautiful modern digital files, its just about perfect. It will never be my only camera, but it (or a successor) will always have a place in my bag.

Sorry you didn't like it, but that doesn't make it a fad, or a toy, or crap.

-Ray
-------------------------
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20889767@N05/collections/72157626204295198/
 
Answer the question:

Are there any alternatives?

If your answer is "YES at least half-a-dozen, don't be ridiculous!" Then it's not the right camera for you.

If your answer is "Well maybe a Leica M9 and 35 'cron, but otherwise no." Then you will likely love it.
Sorry, I see many viable alternatives, but I still love the X100. Sorry to blow that theory for you, or maybe I'm the exception that proves the rule??? ;)

-Ray
-------------------------
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20889767@N05/collections/72157626204295198/
 
....there is no middle ground anymore. Something is either "the best thing ever" or "absolute garbage".

I think I should stop reading amateur reviews of stuff.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
My Travel Galleries (asia, middle east, latin america)
http://www.pbase.com/brambos

 
It's a leaf shutter.

The same reason that you can flash-sync at any shutter speed and the shutter is silent.

For a professional photographer not to understand this is... surprising, but not in the context of your overall reaction.
Just to note a minor detail, gava, you seem to have misplaced some of your comments.

I was the one that didn't know what the shutter type was, and I thank you for explaining that. You know, considering you placed your follow-up comments directly after my follow-up comments.

But then you mention "a professional photographer", and that most certainly is not me. I have another career, thanks. But I think there your are referring to the person that started this entire thread, and the overall context of their comments.
 
Thanks for all the replies (excluding the ones that just bash each other).

To be clear. I had NO expectations that this camera would respond in any way shape or form like a $5,000 dslr body like my D3 or give the same results in low light, af speed, etc.. I did expect it to work like a professional tool though. Meaning that it would have a reasonable and consistent AF response, which it clearly does not.

Yes, I really enjoy the art of using this camera, the feel of it, the size of it and it can produce great images. Certainly above what any point and shoot can do and yes, for it's size and shallow depth there aren't many cameras in the same class. That being said it still does not excuse it's shortcomings, at least in my opinion. I feel like I clearly have a 'beta' camera.

For still life images, a patient subject and random stealthy street shots this camera is pretty good. For ANYTHING that moves(not sports as I fully realize this is not a sports camera) this camera is pretty tough to work with. I have had little luck with accurately focusing on a subjects eyes even when sitting totally still. The AF is just awful, only thing worse is the MF...

If anyone wants to buy one... You know where to find me. I'll miss it, but not really.

ps, regarding selling and finding one. A quick search yielded this;

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=1&subAreaID=&query=fuji+x100&catAbb=sss

Really makes you go hmm... A camera that was nearly impossible to get, now readily available on the secondary market.

After all the bad comments, mine included on top of the sticky blade ordeal who in their right mind would buy a used one? Of course you can buy mine still....
--

http://www.courtlevephoto.com
http://www.courtlevephotography.com
 
Thats it ... tomorrow am buying a Leica m9.. even thou i lub my X100..Seriously now ppl give credit to this camera disappointed coming from a dslr ...i just did that from a d7000, and everyone who i have come across say alot of good things about this camera....HAPPY TO OWN IT..NUFF SAID, Cant compare. get it into yer heads you cant compare this with a dslr
--
EJ
 
You are comparing apples and oranges. They both taste good if you take the time to appreciate them. I like to be able to choose an apple one day, and an orange on another.
 
In short, I would NOT buy this camera again. It's a cool toy and a fad but for it's price point it's garbage. ...
You come to an X100 from a professional work attitude, and what your clients demand based on what your hi-end DSLR equipment is capable of. Your portfolio shows lots of sports and many, many posed portraits.

So in your sentence above you contradict yourself — what is so "cool" about a camera you obviously refuse to use? Perhaps that 'factor cool' is something you silently recognise and what you actually need for yourself, and not for your work and clients.

To learn something new, take a risk, try something unknown, which in terms of posed portraits and perfectly focused sports shots means to relax a bit.

Something like Annie Leibovitz, with her X100. At least she is such a good photographer who knows that perfectly sharp images are, in the end, quite boring too.

--
Zvonimir Tosic
 
I bought the camera in hopes of having a smaller body that I could use for non-work images. I bought it full well knowing it's a totally impractical camera for work. My logic was it's something I want, not need. I would bring it to a real job and use it as time permits simply because I want to. I would never risk using this camera for something really important-and I knew that going in. Still, I can't look past the extremely poor af of this camera and how inconsistent it is.

I really truly enjoy using it, the feel and how it makes the shooter slow down and consider framing more, etc.. This is in part why I bought it. Again, just can't get over the AF. Not the speed mind you, even though that's part of it, but how inconsistent it is.

That's great if someone like Annie L want's to shoot with this and not have sharp photos. Big whoopee. If she jumps off a bridge I won't be following her. She could use a disposable camera and sell her shots for more than all of us combined on this forum will be able too. Out of focus is out of focus.

Just wish it would focus better. The rest I think I could deal with but the hunting and pecking, so frustrating. And what's the point of having a camera like this you simply can't rely on.
--

http://www.courtlevephoto.com
http://www.courtlevephotography.com
 
Hey cowboy, if you can't recognize sarcasm when you read it, maybe YOU are the stupid one, no?

Seriously though, my intent wasn't to imply that EVERY camera has this problem or will, I THOUGHT the tone of my message was sarcasm as I just stated. Sorry if that did not fully come through. I suppose my last paragraph seems otherwise as I was being half sincere and half sarcastic with it...again, sorry.

That said, there IS a real problem with this camera as far as this sticky blade issue is concerned, and I do think that people should be aware of it.

For what it's worth, as I have stated in other threads, I think this camera has some wonderful things going for it. It's a shame that so many have had the problem and it almost seems like a crap shoot when purchasing one. I WOULD like another for myself but I am going to wait until January and see what else Fuji has coming or maybe pick one of these up then when the issue may be resolved (hopefully).
 
That said, there IS a real problem with this camera as far as this sticky blade issue is concerned, and I do think that people should be aware of it.
Your helpful service is greatly appreciated by many here I am sure. Without your post, it is quite possible no one would know of this sticky blade issue. Now, folks can make an informed purchasing decision.

--

http://fujifilmimages.aminus3.com/
 
See now I have some hope that you might actually learn to like this camera.

Your AF problems are strange. Not without precedent from high-end Nikon DSLR users, but strange because it is so much at odds with the experience that many of us have.

Try setting it to just a single centre AF point, make sure you have the parallax correction frame lines switched on.

Tell me do you wait for focus confirmation from the green box on the half-press, or do you just aim and depress the shutter?

I believe the X100 is shutter priority, it will fire on the shutter and will not wait for focus to be achieved.

Try waiting for focus confirmation. Also try using MF for a while. Use the AE/AF lock button to prefocus.

Also pretty much stop trying to focus on anything closer than 5ft or so. (I'm not suggesting this as a permanent measure, just for a few sessions.)

Read some of the how to focus threads. Make sure you're on 1.11 firmware.

It really is possible to take in-focus pictures with this camera.

--
Fuji X100 Fanboy #1
X100 blog -> http://peri.org.uk/wp/?tag=blog
 
Your AF problems are strange. Not without precedent from high-end Nikon DSLR users, but strange because it is so much at odds with the experience that many of us have.
I know what you mean. I rarely get OOF shots with my X100, and those are mostly my fault.
Try setting it to just a single centre AF point, make sure you have the parallax correction frame lines switched on.
And switch to the EVF at close distances.
Tell me do you wait for focus confirmation from the green box on the half-press, or do you just aim and depress the shutter?

I believe the X100 is shutter priority, it will fire on the shutter and will not wait for focus to be achieved.
The X100 is shutter priority [a], but it is possible to get in-focus shots without waiting for confirmation. I'll go out on a limb and say that most of the time the X100 will focus with a quick full press of the shutter button, although you can't count on it. Of course, waiting for focus confirmation is more reliable, and it's the only option if you are focusing and recomposing.

[a] Actually, the X100 is not pure shutter priority. On a full press of the shutter button, it will attempt to lock focus before firing. It appears to me that it will only take the shot after it has locked focus, or after it has determined that it can't.
Also try using MF for a while. Use the AE/AF lock button to prefocus.
Another tip is to switch to AF-C in low light. If will lock focus more readily than AF-S.
Read some of the how to focus threads.
I posted a focus thread a while ago. I think the points are still valid: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=39058103&changemode=1 . There is also a good AF thread active today: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=39926087
It really is possible to take in-focus pictures with this camera.
I agree.
--
Jeff

My cat, who likes to sprawl on my keyboard, gets the credit for anything I write that makes sense.
 
I agree with some things you've mentioned about X100's downside and I can see how some DSLR users may be frustrated of X100's quarks and shortcomings.

But everyone's expectation and needs are different and some will have the patience to find a way to work around it and get on with making wonderful images whilst others may move onto the next newest and greatest product. There's nothing wrong with that.

Anyone who is considering of purchasing this camera should take people's opinion as grain of salt and also spend some time looking at sample images/works made from users of this camera.

Good place to start is here > > > > http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=fujifilm+x100&s=int&ss=2

As for my experience, I've not had sticky aperture blade issue so far and I find AF quite reasonable for general snap shots. My Canon DSRs has been collecting dust for a while.

--
http://tomhide.500px.com
 
X100 is an exellent camera to carry around. The picture quality is marvelous and one shoot in poor light it is better than most other cameras considering it´s 2.0 apperature and iso-performance. It stupid to compare X100 with a bulky proffesional lika D700 or D3 and even more stupid to add a lens that cost the same or twice as the X100.

This was the dummest thread I ever read at this forum
--
kriztian
 
I pretty much agree with everything you said. I also have a D700 as my main camera, the IQ doesn't match it but it's pretty good considering it's like 1/4 or less the size and weight of a D700 with a 35mm attached (and much lighter than with 24-70 f/2.8). I took an 8 mile hike today with the X100 around my neck the whole way and it was fine, whereas even with my BlackRapid strap the D700 would have been tiring to carry. But it's the operational characteristics where the X100 is a big letdown, particularly the focusing (both auto and manual have lots of issues). Other issues for me:

-- EV dial is a bit loose, easily accidentally changed.

-- No manual ISO dial. I wish Fuji shipped an ISO dial that could replace the shutter dial or something because at least 90% of the time I'm in aperture priority mode and the shutter dial is useless. Auto ISO works decently, but I'd love easy manual control.

-- Could use one more assignable button. The RAW button would work, how many people actually use this? I'm guessing not many, generally either you are shooting RAW, or you aren't.

-- Battery is not only weak (I'm getting only about 150-250 shots per full charge on two different batteries, but it takes well over 3 hours to charge. That's horrible. My D700 battery isn't much bigger, gets 1600-2200 shots on a charge, and charges faster. Come on Fuji.

-- Startup times are very slow, for a fixed lens camera there is no excuse for a startup time that isn't nearly instant. It really seems like Fuji cheaped out on the processor used because the write times are also very slow, particularly for RAW. It feels like myTiVo, which while modern and HD, seems to use a 386 processor circa 1995.

-- The focus field indicators in the hybrid VF are not accurate for the given f-stop.

-- The nubs on the aperture ring get in my way when trying to use the very thin focusing ring.

-- The lens is REALLY prone to flaring, even with the lens hood, I basically have to use my hand to manually flag it if I'm shooting anywhere near the sun. And the lens hood doesn't work well. First, it's annoying you need an adapter and can't screw a filter right on the lens. So you put the adapter on, then a filter and the hood, what happens is the front surface of the filter ends up being even closer to the front of the hood, and since a filter is much larger than the lens glass itself, you end up being even worse off (flare-wise) when using the lens hood and a filter than with just the bare lens. They need to license Nikons nano coating for the lens, drop the filter adapter, and make a deeper hood.

Anyway, I'm keeping the X100 for now because it is vastly more convenient than the D700 in terms of will I have it with me or won't I? But it's got a long way to go too, it very much feels like the version 1.0 model that it is. I agree with the OP that, given all its issues it is a bit overpriced. For $700 or so I'd be a lot more willing to put up with its quirks. On the other hand, if they could fix all these issues, I might be willing to spend considerably more for it, maybe even up to $2K, especially if there's a full frame variant.
 
dummiest threat?

Well I can compare focus to my Leica D-lux4 $800- if that make you happy,and I can tell you it is faster and more reliable that X100. Still i love X100.
cheers
X100 is an exellent camera to carry around. The picture quality is marvelous and one shoot in poor light it is better than most other cameras considering it´s 2.0 apperature and iso-performance. It stupid to compare X100 with a bulky proffesional lika D700 or D3 and even more stupid to add a lens that cost the same or twice as the X100.

This was the dummest thread I ever read at this forum
--
kriztian
 
That was not what you said in your first comment, you acctually dissed the camera and now you say you love it. What is it going to be?
--
kriztian
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top