When will Nikon announce a >10MP SLR?

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I am concerned that if I buy a D100 I will be unable to publish full spreads in glossy magazines (nature and wildlife mags) because of low resolution.

So, can anyone hazard a guess as to when Nikon will announce a > 10MP SLR? And, will that provide enough resolution to do what I want?

Thanks,
 
I was told by Nikon dealer that they weren't coming out with anything new this coming year. They were going to stick with what they have out nothing in the works yet?!? But is was just from a NY dealer?? Good luck, Rich
So, can anyone hazard a guess as to when Nikon will announce a
10MP SLR? And, will that provide enough resolution to do what I
want?

Thanks,
 
................. a better picture during January.

For your needs, at a high standard then a professional camera is probably what you will need. The D100 has a consumer CCD inside and it does show at times on some subjects.

I think you could find the colour and the graphics departments control of it form the D100 a potential problem area.

I have no magazine work from my D100 but I have several side by sides with the D1x and D1h from both myself and other photographers which is showing up my D100 files and poorer colour characteristics. Have absolutely no idea why this should be but I can see it on the same page in newsprint. It might be my own capturing technique but I capture the same way with both cameras and everything gets dumped on the graphics computers in two separate newspaper and I see the same condition in each.

I can print my own file out and they do not display any problems.
 
I am concerned that if I buy a D100 I will be unable to publish
full spreads in glossy magazines (nature and wildlife mags) because
of low resolution.
You had better let Moose Peterson know about this problem ASAP since he has been shooting and publishing wildlife and nature photos with a "lowly" 2.7MP D1H for a couple of years now. I'm sure if image resolution presented such a serious limitation for his business that he would have switched to at least to a D1x at some point. Seriously, the 6MP images from the D100 (and the D1x for that matter) are perfectly adequate for a full spread in a magazine.

-Scott
 
The D100 CCD is 'consumer' because of its physical pixel dimensions?

Does that mean that any 1.5 FOV camera of equal or higher resolution than the D100 is going to be 'consumer' grade?

How many of the brand new FF cameras are you indicting as 'consumer' for the same reason?
................. a better picture during January.

For your needs, at a high standard then a professional camera is
probably what you will need. The D100 has a consumer CCD inside and
it does show at times on some subjects.

I think you could find the colour and the graphics departments
control of it form the D100 a potential problem area.

I have no magazine work from my D100 but I have several side by
sides with the D1x and D1h from both myself and other photographers
which is showing up my D100 files and poorer colour
characteristics. Have absolutely no idea why this should be but I
can see it on the same page in newsprint. It might be my own
capturing technique but I capture the same way with both cameras
and everything gets dumped on the graphics computers in two
separate newspaper and I see the same condition in each.

I can print my own file out and they do not display any problems.
 
I am concerned that if I buy a D100 I will be unable to publish
full spreads in glossy magazines (nature and wildlife mags) because
of low resolution.
This is mine kind of work (layout). If the photos are of good quality there is no problem. I have seen good spreads even from Fuji S1 (3MP in-camerainterpolated to 6MP).
Lets look at numbers:

If the magazine has a screen of 150 l/inch, the ideal resolution would be 300 dpi (2xfactor, higher resolution disapear between the dots). A spread would be a file size of 2x24,1Mb (US Letter-size)= 48,2 Mb. Not even the new Canon 1Ds reaches that. However, its very difficult to see a difference between a 1,5Xfactor and 2x. If we use 200 dpi (1,5x) the file size shrinks to 2x10,1 Mb = 20,2 Mb.

Since the 6MP cameras has a file size around 17 Mb, they only need to be resized a small amount, wich is no problem qualitywise.

The quality of the lenses, fast enough shutterspeed, perfect focus, etc are more important in my opinion.
 
Hi,

...'when will Nikon announce '. It's a fact that as soon as Nikon announces a 10 MP body with a 24x36mm image area, the next day someone will ask when the 20 MP version is due out!

Honestly, no one around here knows for sure what is going to announce when. At least, those that really know are bound to silence by a NDA and aren't about to stick their necks out with the information.

The best answer the rest of us could give you is to pick the best fit for your needs that exists right now, today. Let what comes next come when it does and not worry about it.

If one gets concerened about something new coming along and rendering what exists today as 'old', then one will never buy anything at all. The days of their being a decade passing between models is long gone and will never return. There will be something better, and that's a fact.

I don't shoot for magazine publication, so I don't have a feel for what you need, but I have seen posts pointing to full page images taken with a D1 and its' small (by current standards) 2.75 MP imager. Some are getting by with half the resolution of what you're thinking isn't enough.

If you want a lot of resolution, stand by for another month and see just how well the Kodak 14n works (or doesn't). 14 million pixels ought to be enough to do just about anything that 35mm film could do......

Stan
So, can anyone hazard a guess as to when Nikon will announce a
10MP SLR? And, will that provide enough resolution to do what I
want?

Thanks,
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If the magazine has a screen of 150 l/inch, the ideal resolution
would be 300 dpi (2xfactor, higher resolution disapear between the
dots).
I think I follow you. But I wonder if you could flush this point out a little bit.
 
Actually, I don't think I have to let Moose know about this, because here's what he's posted about this camera and his needs:

"Does the D100 work for my photography, nope!"

So I would suspect he'd disagree that the D100 is "perfectly adequate" for what he does...
I am concerned that if I buy a D100 I will be unable to publish
full spreads in glossy magazines (nature and wildlife mags) because
of low resolution.
You had better let Moose Peterson know about this problem ASAP
since he has been shooting and publishing wildlife and nature
photos with a "lowly" 2.7MP D1H for a couple of years now. I'm
sure if image resolution presented such a serious limitation for
his business that he would have switched to at least to a D1x at
some point. Seriously, the 6MP images from the D100 (and the D1x
for that matter) are perfectly adequate for a full spread in a
magazine.

-Scott
 
If the magazine has a screen of 150 l/inch, the ideal resolution
would be 300 dpi (2xfactor, higher resolution disapear between the
dots).
I think I follow you. But I wonder if you could flush this point
out a little bit.
I will try (hope my english is good enough). If you look on a photo in a magazine or newspaper with a magnifyingglass you can see the little color rosettes that makes out the picture. The size of those sets the limit for the percieved quality of the photo. The size is measured in lines per inch. Magazines usually uses 133, 150 or 175 lpi, newspapers typically uses 85 or 100 lpi. Printers have a rule of the tumb that says that the digital file should have twice the dpi as the used screens lpi. More than that wont practicaly be noticable because the size of the rosettes.

In fact there is some safety margins. Earlier the rule was 1,5x (or really 1,41) but then some said there was a teoretical advantange to 2x.

This is why newspaper photographers dont need so high resolution, since their photos only have to be 170 or 200 dpi at the actual size of the photo in the paper.
 
Interesting. 1.4 is sqrt(2), the diagonal of a square. I'm trying to understand the relationship b/w lpi and dpi. Getting closer.

PerL wrote:
If you look on a
Printers have
a rule of the tumb that says that the digital file should have
twice the dpi as the used screens lpi. More than that wont
practicaly be noticable because the size of the rosettes.
In fact there is some safety margins. Earlier the rule was 1,5x (or
really 1,41) but then some said there was a teoretical advantange
to 2x.
 
Hmm,
I am concerned that if I buy a D100 I will be unable to publish
full spreads in glossy magazines (nature and wildlife mags) because
of low resolution.
Actually, I don't think I have to let Moose know about this,
because here's what he's posted about this camera and his needs:

"Does the D100 work for my photography, nope!"

So I would suspect he'd disagree that the D100 is "perfectly
adequate" for what he does...
You specifically stated that you were worried whether the resolution of the 6MP D100 would provide adequate resolution for Nature/Wildlife photography. I correctly pointed out that Moose Peterson uses a 2.7MP D1H camera and that 6MP is perfectly adequate for full-page spreads in magazines.

If you actually read Moose's review of the D100 (which I'm sure you did) you know that the reason it doesn't work for his photography has absolutely nothing to do with inadequate resolution. It is because his style of photography requires fast frame rates and fast autofocusing, which neither the D100 nor the D1x provide him. I am guessing that the 11MP Canon 1Ds would also not work for him due to it's 3fps frame rate and limited buffer (the same problem he had with the D1x).

There could obviously be many reasons why having a > 10MP camera is important to you, and there may be perfectly valid reasons why the D100 falls short. However, you were specifically worried that you would be "unable" to publish nature photos in magazines due to the D100s "low resolution. I was simply pointing out that a working pro hasn't had problems publishing 2.7MP images.

-Scott
 
Little nitpick - the PPI (not the DPI) resolution should be twice the lpi ;) It is a pretty common misconception that PPI and DPI are the same, and while with some printers (Dye-Sub for example) they can be, they aren't necessarilly equivalents.

A pixel is a picture element that contains the full range of colours that the device can represent. The resolution that you set in Photoshop is the numbers of pixels per inch. A dot, on the other hand, is the fundamental unit that forms an image on a particular device. On a printer that forms shades using dithering (eg laser, ink-jet, etc.), a pixel consists of a multitude of dots - each dot is basically a droplet of ink/toner, and in order to generate the full range of colours a variable number of these dots are layed out. In a printer that fully relies on dithering to represent the range of colours, the number of dots per pixel determines the number of shades it can produce. For example, Epson's high end printers have ratings of 2880x1440 DPI, however they can only deliver a resolution of 360x360PPI.

Hope this helps ;)
 
Little nitpick - the PPI (not the DPI) resolution should be twice
the lpi ;) It is a pretty common misconception that PPI and DPI
are the same, and while with some printers (Dye-Sub for example)
they can be, they aren't necessarilly equivalents.

A pixel is a picture element that contains the full range of
colours that the device can represent. The resolution that you set
in Photoshop is the numbers of pixels per inch. A dot, on the
other hand, is the fundamental unit that forms an image on a
particular device. On a printer that forms shades using dithering
(eg laser, ink-jet, etc.), a pixel consists of a multitude of dots
  • each dot is basically a droplet of ink/toner, and in order to
generate the full range of colours a variable number of these dots
are layed out. In a printer that fully relies on dithering to
represent the range of colours, the number of dots per pixel
determines the number of shades it can produce. For example,
Epson's high end printers have ratings of 2880x1440 DPI, however
they can only deliver a resolution of 360x360PPI.

Hope this helps ;)
What would be the difference of the dpi and ppi in Photoshop?
In practical use the prepress-people asks for the dpi from your photoshop-files.
 
I was using my D1 files for printed matter like brochures, magazines, prospects up to size A3. At A4 it was superb, but only when the photo was taken correct (NEF files + Photoshop), difference between A4 and A3 prints was only in sharpness, of course A3 magazine spread looked softer. I'am using D100 files normaly for up to A3 format, even posters which are B2 size (50 x 70 cm) looks great, there is only a small lack of sharpness, but anyway it's better than A3 magazine spread made of D1 file. So don't worry about quality, you just have to shoot excellent NEFs and properly "post product" them in Photoshop for instance.
Tomo
So, can anyone hazard a guess as to when Nikon will announce a
10MP SLR? And, will that provide enough resolution to do what I
want?

Thanks,
--
Tomo
 
More than that wont
practicaly be noticable because the size of the rosettes.
In fact there is some safety margins. Earlier the rule was 1,5x (or
really 1,41) but then some said there was a teoretical advantange
to 2x.
Most magazine photo editors will request 300 dpi digital originals, regardless of the line screen the magazine uses.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D100
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
I am concerned that if I buy a D100 I will be unable to publish
full spreads in glossy magazines (nature and wildlife mags) because
of low resolution.
Sports Illustrated has been running double-trucks (two-page spreads) in the Up Front section from digital cameras for almost a year now. While I can usually tell the digital from the film (look at the noise patterns--at the higher ISO values used in most sports photography, you'll see distinct color noise in the digital shots), most of the world hasn't even noticed.

Savvy and progressive magazines have started accepting 300 dpi files from 6mp and higher digital cameras. The luddites don't. Curiously, with a few of the laggards, they wouldn't care what resolution your digital file is--if they can't run it through their drum scanner and usual (expensive) workflow, they don't want it.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D100
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 
The lower res cameras may not have the 300dpi @ large dimension outputs, but do stuff like Genuine Fractals and some intelligent sharpening save the day?
More than that wont
practicaly be noticable because the size of the rosettes.
In fact there is some safety margins. Earlier the rule was 1,5x (or
really 1,41) but then some said there was a teoretical advantange
to 2x.
Most magazine photo editors will request 300 dpi digital originals,
regardless of the line screen the magazine uses.

--
Thom Hogan
author, Nikon Field Guide
author, Nikon Flash Guide
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D100
author, Complete Guide to the Nikon D1, D1h, & D1x
http://www.bythom.com
 

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