Taking Pentax to Europe

I am very, very much the alien here.

-Heie

Edit to Add: I think the bigger issue at large is the over paranoia that we have allowed ourselves to be comfortable with accepting in society. I am considered "reckless" amongst my friends, however I just see it as willing to take chances that, to me, aren't really that significant. I have friends that have not traveled outside the country alone because their parents thought it be unsafe. I am 24 years old, and I have been to almost 20 countries, most of which were traveling completely solo. I don't carry a money belt. I have flaming red hair and skin that has been known to blind others when t-shirts are removed, so unless I go to the UK, I will never fit in and seem to be "a local." But that isn't stopping me from planning solo trips to several countries in Africa and Asia, as well as the Eastern Block of Europe.

Here's how I see it: to me's it's a numbers game. Let's say 1,000,000 people travel to a certain country in a given year, and there are 10,000 thefts of photography equipment (which I would argue is extremely outlandish given the sample size). That is less than 1 tenth of one percent. .01! Now compound that with my own natural ability to be situationally aware, and I am completely and utterly comfortable with "accepting that risk." The greater risk to me is the adventure I would otherwise sacrifice. Equipment can be re-bought. Missed opportunities you take to the grave.
... you all speak European and the locals (probably) won't/shouldn't
bother you (as much).

;D

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Thanks everyone. I know the last time we went to Rome my brother had both his pants pockets picked as we were leaving the metro. I was watching him the whole time until we turned around to leave. So I know how careful you need to be. Luckily, they only got souvenirs. Everything else was in his neck pouch. There very good!
 
Has anyone traveled in Europe recently with their Pentax gear, especially Italy?
Been to Spain, France, plus street photography in my home city, London. Never a moment's problem...
I'm really worried about getting my bag stollen right off my neck.
... you could always just leave the zoom and heavy glass in the hotel and shoot with a DA21 or DA40.

Personally I also tape over the Pentax logo with black tape, and make sure my strap is turned inwards so the Pentax logo is hidden. I don't like being a walking billboard for Pentax or any other camera maker for that matter. The more relaxed and inconspicuous you are, the better your chances of getting good photos, especially of people.
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Has anyone traveled in Europe recently with their Pentax gear, especially Italy? I'm really worried about getting my bag stollen right off my neck. Is it really that bad? I'd jump of St. Peter's! My K5, and lenses are finally the perfect outfit for me, and I don't want to loose it.
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Last time I was in Europe was before I bought my first DSLR, but I wouldn't even consider traveling in Europe WITHOUT a DSLR now. Shooting would be half the reason I'd be there. I'd be walking around with one body and two lenses, probably small primes, and just be reasonably aware.

That said, the folks I stayed with in Milan warned us to be extremely careful with our bags as we were leaving. At the Milan train station I watched guys carefully scoping out the travelers, very stealthy, very subtle. In Rome I had a woman come up to me with some sort of magazine and try to talk to me while her other hand was moving towards my sling bag, under the magazine she was holding...

Didn't have a problem in any other country. That said, Italy was my favorite part of that trip. :) Beautiful nation with an incredible history, fantastic people.

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Huh..? About what?

:)
I have been to .... I have never had a single issue.

I'm a 23 year old lieutenant serving as a platoon leader in the US Army
Do tell. ;-)

Thank you
Russell
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I'm a 23 year old lieutenant serving as a platoon leader in the US Army that has an extremely voracious appetite for backpacking and adventure. I am also finally feeding my passion for photography while working on the fluency of my two languages other than English: Spanish and Arabic, and now picking up some broken German as I live in the Fatherland.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexjansenphotography

 
Heie,

I like your philosophy: Live life with your eyes wide open (with situational awareness). Then accept and be prepared to deal with whatever happens.
Thanks,
Daryl
I am very, very much the alien here.

-Heie

Edit to Add: I think the bigger issue at large is the over paranoia that we have allowed ourselves to be comfortable with accepting in society. I am considered "reckless" amongst my friends, however I just see it as willing to take chances that, to me, aren't really that significant. I have friends that have not traveled outside the country alone because their parents thought it be unsafe. I am 24 years old, and I have been to almost 20 countries, most of which were traveling completely solo. I don't carry a money belt. I have flaming red hair and skin that has been known to blind others when t-shirts are removed, so unless I go to the UK, I will never fit in and seem to be "a local." But that isn't stopping me from planning solo trips to several countries in Africa and Asia, as well as the Eastern Block of Europe.

Here's how I see it: to me's it's a numbers game. Let's say 1,000,000 people travel to a certain country in a given year, and there are 10,000 thefts of photography equipment (which I would argue is extremely outlandish given the sample size). That is less than 1 tenth of one percent. .01! Now compound that with my own natural ability to be situationally aware, and I am completely and utterly comfortable with "accepting that risk." The greater risk to me is the adventure I would otherwise sacrifice. Equipment can be re-bought. Missed opportunities you take to the grave.
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I'm a 23 year old lieutenant serving as a platoon leader in the US Army that has an extremely voracious appetite for backpacking and adventure. I am also finally feeding my passion for photography while working on the fluency of my two languages other than English: Spanish and Arabic, and now picking up some broken German as I live in the Fatherland.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexjansenphotography

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i live in italy and it's so funny to read our post..i mean, u are not going to some slum of johannesburg..clearly use a bit of attention, don't leave the bag alone etc etc...but it's likely impossible you suffer a bad encounter, like you can have easily in brazil for example. clearly rome has it's bad part, like new york and like all big cities in the world. probably even rejkiavik has it' s dangerous side:)
enjoy our trip and don't worry. just be smart.
Has anyone traveled in Europe recently with their Pentax gear, especially Italy? I'm really worried about getting my bag stollen right off my neck. Is it really that bad? I'd jump of St. Peter's! My K5, and lenses are finally the perfect outfit for me, and I don't want to loose it.
 
I just came back from Italy about a month a go. Went to Rome, Venice, and Florence among few other places, all seemed pretty safe. Still, we took precaution to always attend to our bags and personal belongings. Plus, I only had my K-x plus the kit lens with me, so it was easy to account for it.

Joey
 
I get the age and in the military thing.... but never had an issue?

First with what, and if you mean travels abroad, are you saying my generation somehow immune? Because I will be the first to admit that I have little faith in my generation.

Pardon my lingering confusion, but I am still scratching my head at this...

-Heie
Huh..? About what?
I suppose "Do tell" would translate to "duh" for your generation. Twenty three years old, in the armed forces, and you've never had an issue. DUH! ;-)

Thank you
Russell
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I'm a 23 year old lieutenant serving as a platoon leader in the US Army that has an extremely voracious appetite for backpacking and adventure. I am also finally feeding my passion for photography while working on the fluency of my two languages other than English: Spanish and Arabic, and now picking up some broken German as I live in the Fatherland.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexjansenphotography

 
I agree with all the other posts saying that there's no particular risk but that you should take care wherever you are. A couple of ideas: I use them because I find them convenient rather than for security but they do help security too.

I always carry my DSLRs on wrist straps rather than shoulder straps, simply because I hate having a weight hanging round my kneck. It's also quicker to get the camera up to my eye because it's in my right hand anyway. I make my own straps - just cut the Pentax neck strap half-way along, fold it round and fix it with a couple of heavy-duty staples. A bit of tape secures the edges and covers the staple points.



It might seem as if it would be a burden but I do it happily for hours: in fact, I often carry two cameras this way. The second camera just dangles when I take the shot.



In the shot above you see I'm also carrying a rucksack rather than a camera bag. This has a wider strap than most camera bags but, more important for what's bothering you, it doesn't shout "I'm a camera bag".

Finally, whatever bag you carry, on those times when you sit down for a drink just put the leg of your chair through the strap and no one can pick it up and walk off with it.

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When eating at a restaurant either outdoors or in putting the camera bag under the table with the strap around my leg is probably a good idea? There will also be 4 other people with me, so we will be looking out for each other
 
Quit worrying.

You are ruining the trip before you even go.

Seriously
When eating at a restaurant either outdoors or in putting the camera bag under the table with the strap around my leg is probably a good idea? There will also be 4 other people with me, so we will be looking out for each other
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I'm a 23 year old lieutenant serving as a platoon leader in the US Army that has an extremely voracious appetite for backpacking and adventure. I am also finally feeding my passion for photography while working on the fluency of my two languages other than English: Spanish and Arabic, and now picking up some broken German as I live in the Fatherland.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexjansenphotography

 
I just returned from 2 weeks in India with my K-x and four lenses (21, 40, 70 Ltds + 55-300). For the purpose of carrying the photo kit plus room for stuff I want to carry during the day, I bought a LowePro Passport. This is a compact sling style bag and does not scream 'Valuable Optical Gear Inside!" The bag is expandable with a zipper if you buy something and need more room and there is a spot for a half-liter water bottle on one end. This worked really well for me, especially on the crowded streets of Delhi where you could not help but brush against many strangers while walking. With the low profile of this bag, I never felt that anyone was scoping me out for pickpocketing during that trip. The strap is thick and solid and the dual zippers can be kept zipped together at the tall end of the sling where it curves around toward the front of your body, so you can see them at all times.

Italy/Europe is perhaps more infamous for its crafty pickpockets. Be very careful about bags that you put on the floor while you are doing something else. Some years ago, I went to see a movie in Paris in a nearly empty theater and put my bag that held a Pentax (film) camera on the floor between my legs. No one was sitting near me. When I got up to leave, my bag was missing the camera. Someone had obviously snuck into the row behind me and silently opened my bag by reaching underneath my seat and slipped the camera out.

I am leaving for a week in Milan/Verona/Bologna/Parma on Tuesday and plan on bringing the same setup. I'm not concerned about thievery in the slightest, but I take basic and common-sense precautions as others have noted above.
 
I was stolen photo and other equipment at the Brussels South RR station (Gare de Midi). How? A polite young man looking North African came up to me and said: "Sir, you have bird dropping on your winter coat." I did not pay attention. At the subway station underneath the RR depot, another polite young man looking North African reminded me of the same. I did the most stupid thing imaginable: I put my backpack (with a Canon G10 compact camera and a brand new HP laptop and cash inside) on the floor, took off my winter coat (it happened in January 2009) and saw that there was some sprayed white sign on the back of it. Obviously the thieves´ gang marked me this way as a target of their teamwork. In the meantime, the backpack was gone, gone forever. The disinterested cop at the RR police station said that these were "Moroccans". And added: "This city is infested with thieves." I would just add: "And full of beggars, too."

On the other hand, nothing happened to me in Rome in 1991, I was just warned about kids under 15 who cannot be, under Italian law, punished for theft. There were loads of them near the Forum Romanum and Colosseum, using banana boxes to distract tourists from pocket-searching hands. At that time I had a Minolta Dynax 300 SLR film camera.
 
Has anyone traveled in Europe recently with their Pentax gear, especially Italy? I'm really worried about getting my bag stollen right off my neck. Is it really that bad....
My daughter recently trundled through England, France, Holland, Germany, Switzerland, Italy and Greece with K-x and loud red retro Pentax neck strap.
No issues :)

Pete
K-5 some Len
 
Really, the OP is worrying way too much.

I am fortunate in that I travel frequently around North America and Europe, from my home in the North of the UK.

Really, Europe is nothing to worry about. Take the same precautions that you would anywhere else.

Be especially aware when you are in the recognised tourist sectors of Italy - Rome, Pisa etc. But this is common sense after all.

I carry my gear in a simple black canvass messenger-style bag that looks beaten up and dusty ( I drove over it into the dust with my car a few times to "age" it ! ) .. I like to bring the strap over my head so it goes diagonally across my chest when I am in places like train stations.

A lot of this is about confidence. I very seldom have any contact with the kind of persistant hawkers and chancers you can see in some parts of the world - North Africa for example. Moving around with confidence and eyes wide open seems to help.
 

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