I like birds but have never been a huge fan of bird photos, at least not based on typical 'birders' photos I see posted. However those shots by Ronnie are simply Excellent with a capital 'E'.
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LOL - I thought the same thing. Hopefully it's just a mockup and subject to such rough edges. I also noticed an unevenness in the appearance of the 'grain' on various surfaces of the camera. A pricey camera ought to look its price. The X10 surely does, but so far the XS1 doesn't.
Kim Letkeman
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Yeah, some of his shots in his favourites gallery are absolutely mind blowing ... he was a gentleman and a real loss in a lot of peoples' estimation ...
These are the first three images in his favourites album ...
The rest here: http://www.pbase.com/ronnie_14187/d100___d200_my_favorites
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jcmarfilph
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Again, nothing against his work.
Again I didn't dismiss Ronnie's overall work.
I just said those images in the links posted by Bill are average. I have seen greater photos than those. Kenn's images are at par if not better than those.
But upon looking at Ronnie's pbase account, I must admit that majority are great photos.
And so as you.
Again, it can be done with PP. I didn't say his images have fake bokeh.
Nope. With the right condition, HS10 can produce very good JPEG images.
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Kim Letkeman
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Go back and read your statement. The tone was entirely dismissive. And yes, since those are excellent examples of his work, most who know of him (and of your attitude in general) would understand that, despite your protests now, you were dismissing his body of work.
No. They are truly excellent. But every shot is the same because they are shot with flash from a blind at close range. Not the same thing as Ronnie's work at all, despit their excellence.
Yes.
Not when it comes to judging excellence.
Again, it cannot. Fake bokeh looks fake. And I am quite aware that you did not accuse him of having fake bokeh. You in fact dismissed his excellent subject isolation as something you could do with the HS10 and some extreme post processing, but you don't like to ... LOL, it sounds even sillier this time.
And again. Nope
I'll stop here, because I am aware that you must defend the HS10 to the death ... such is the burden of a fan-person ...
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painterdude
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just wrote that he, a person who suffers from the difficulty of being color blind has just stated that he knows how to judge excellence in photography!!WOW!!
This is a real newsworthy item as no one yet has found an objective scale in the world of the color sighted or not, as to what photographic artistic excellence actually is in objective terms ..BUT Kim sight challenges and all..knows how to judge it!
Truly amazing
or just more hubris??
ya
hubris
cancel the news flash
LOL.
http://skylightvistas.weebly.com/index.html
This is a real newsworthy item as no one yet has found an objective scale in the world of the color sighted or not, as to what photographic artistic excellence actually is in objective terms ..BUT Kim sight challenges and all..knows how to judge it!
Truly amazing
or just more hubris??
ya
hubris
cancel the news flash
LOL.
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rattymouse
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Really, the gear race can stop here. The images this gentleman shot are simply incredible, and that is a serious understatement. From what I see, his equipment, aside from some serious telephotos, is pretty ho hum by today's standards. Proving truly that the eye and mind make the image. Truly inspiring stuff.
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Billx08
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Totally color blind or just to a degree? Even the totally color blind can see things that the rest of us can't, and anyone that believes that Kim or any other "color blind" person can't judge what's excellent and what isn't, in photography, then !!WOW!!, their favorite color must be maroon. Are you smart enough to get it?
You, painterdude, profess to be an artist, but if you can't immediately tell that Ronnie's photos are far superior wildlife photos compared to any others posted in this thread, or possibly in the forum, by anyone, at any time, then you're not much of an artist, because artists need vision, and even a color blind artist would be way beyond your abilities. The reason why the opinions of you and filphy are so ridiculous is that they aren't based on any kind of reason. They're based solely on who said what , and are intended only to stir the pot.
painterdude
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Now Billy your level of writing fell huge on this defend your pal retort ..I actually had to LOL as I read this response.Love the obfuscation but alas the dodging was not all that artful and the slights ..meh ..just no sting Billers Bummer !!
Cuddya come up with some better stuf?
Hey look Biller I have an ideeeeeeeeeer for you, Go out ( ya I know a hard one ) get another burger or some fast food and a drink to slurp and spill on your sticky keys ..take a nap ...come back grumpy ..and try again. You used to be the king of nasty ..almost up to the Kimsters level..
Gee dont let us down Billy!!!
..Sheesh what is this forum coming to ??
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Steen Bay
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Kenn Threed's images are all shot handheld without flash, and even though his SX30 has a 840mm equiv. lens, then it's often necessary to crop rather heavily. The last image in the first post is for example a 2.8mp crop (of the original 14mp), like explained in the second post.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=39815268
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=39821594
Billx08
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Kenn is a very good photographer and post processor, but the point the Kim and I made is only that Ronnie's final images are much better than Kenns. Not so much because of the technical aspects, but because they are truly artistic. Kenn shows enough promise that he could someday rise to Ronnie's level, but compare his photos with Ronnie's. Kenn's are all tighly cropped - too tightly. As impressive as they may be, after you see a few the rest are just more of the same. I can't imagine an artist painting anything like Kenn's photos unless they're intended to be used in an Audubon type bird guide, and the better guides often employ backgrounds that add interest to the photos as Ronnie's do.
S.O. posted some very nice photos in times past that made better use of backgrounds but I can't provide any useful links as they're no longer held in her Photo Bucket. What's interesting and ironic is that Kim is often attacked/insulted by writing (falsely) that he can't produce good photos and that he talks too much about the technical side of photography. But here the two 'dudes' show that Kim can recognize the difference between good and great photos and they can't, or more likely won't, not because they disagree with the message, but that they refuse to agree with the messenger.
Kim Letkeman
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I am not kimster and definitely not your dear anything ... you ought to try to be less familiar since I cannot claim to have any respect for you at all and I do you the courtesy of not insulting you.
And why should I not be able to see all of what a photograph holds? Are you somehow going to claim that the inability to name colors (I see them fine by the way) is linked to an inability to judge a good photograph? Do you choose to ignore tone? Composition? Acuity? 3-dimensionality?
Quite amazing that you try to imply that my colour deficiency somehow affects my ability to judge, yet here you correctly denote the fact that there is no purely objective scale on which to judge.
In other words, you managed to demonstrate hypocrisy in the span of two sentences. Well met, I must say.
I know excellence when I see it. Ronnie's work is ubiquitously excellent. And you will find no detractors on that. Even JOMS admitted that his work was excellent, but was of course in the middle of trying to prove the impossible ... that JOMS with his HS10 can shoot just like that.
Your unprovoked attack on me provides vastly more evidence of such than anything I wrote ... but then, that's your thing.
I picture one of those dog's heads in the back window of a sedan ... LOLLING about ...
Or did you mean something else?
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Kim Letkeman
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Yeah, I mistook him for Kevin. Kenn's shots are pretty nice ... but they don't match Ronnie's work ... the small sensor just cannot get the same look in the shadows and the edges. But for a small sensor, Kenn's work is probably the best I've seen.
Edit: I've just read Bill's response about the salient differences between Kenn's head shots and Ronnie's in situ images and Bill really nailed it. I knew something was off about Kenn's shots but Bill got the sameness angle. Always the same (even though very good) and always very tight crops.
Anyway, it's a silly debate ... Kenn's stuff is good, Kevin's stuff is good, and Ronnie's work is world class and far above anything that appears on this forum. Something to aspire to, not something to dismiss ...
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Ralph McKenzie
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I'm going to be featuring another photographer shortly on the blog, whom I have been following for a while now. We are both members of this forum
http://www.photomacrography.net/forum
Which has many members that do astonishing photography to say the least.
This is just an example of what can be found there.
If the X-S1 can produce a macro 85% of this then I'm for sure going to be giving it a serious look.
If you have the time, look through the member galleries there.
And from my own HS20 archive
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painterdude
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Humm there is a pattern emerging ..Kimmy sorry, but I have to reprimand you too. Go join your pal Biller da spillah the mongo Zero X 8 in the corner and do not come out till you have really worked up say a heightened sense of your own divinity. Ya that's the ticket. Now when your are really feelin' it .. try a launch at a genINE scolding come back.
Only 3.5 10 on that last attempt Kimmy the Kimster ..so you have lots of room to improve.
ya.
Anywhoo one last thing ...You may ..may wanna re read and repent in the yeah ole sack cloth and ashes deal over what you did to the sanity of all who read this pile of discordant logic shards
Your attempt at logic on the way to your trade mark nasty went like this ..
Quite amazing that you try to imply that my colour deficiency somehow affects my ability to judge, yet here you correctly denote the fact that there is no purely objective scale on which to judge.In other words, you managed to demonstrate hypocrisy in the span of two sentences. Well met, I must say.
Now ya see the boo boo..not to mention the others that follow on ???
No ??
bye.
painterdude
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Ya Ralph it will be interesting to see what the X'S1 will put out ..what with the re designed lens and sensor from the X-10 there could be some hope for a great bridge ..Fingers crossed!
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Not entirely in the equipment or technically of his photos, but the overall effect and artistic composition are on different level than than Kenn's. Certainly Kenn's shots are highly detailed and are great for bird identification/study, but just don't have the same visual appeal.
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Steen Bay
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Not so sure that it always is that easy to distinguish between images shot with compacts and larger formats, not even in big prints :
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml
I'd never seen Ronnie's images before, and I agree that they are excellent. All I wantet to point out here was that Kenn's images always are shot in the available natural light.
Kim Letkeman
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I actually owned the G10 for a long time ... but do remember that the image he used was basically a simple shot of trees. Ronnie is a wildlife shooter with some leanings to landscape and scenery.
Yes. Quite true.
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jcmarfilph
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Good thing you stopped, because you can't accept a FACT .And again. Nope
I'll stop here, because I am aware that you must defend the HS10 to the death ... such is the burden of a fan-person ...
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