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X10 EXR and DR mode questions, aka, hating the Fuji manual.

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Daniel Lauring

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Is there a way to use EXR modes, such as high iso & low noise, in any other postion beside EXR? For example can you use EXR and aperture or shutter speed control?

I tried taking a low light picture, first in shutter priority at iso 1600 of our cat. Then I switched to full auto EXR mode to see what it could do. The camera chose 1/17th second exposure and the histogram after the shot showed blown highlights. The results were less than stellar, camera shake blur and blown out white fur.

Not sure why the camera thought that shutter speed was OK or why it was OK to blow out the highlights?
 
From what I've been told, selecting medium sized (6mp) in other modes is the equivalent of engaging EXR - the same pixel binning(?) technology is used to get the image and therefore you gain the same benefits.

I'd be interested for someone to clarify this however.
 
I was wondering if that was the case, but it never alludes to it anywhere in the manual.

It also talks about all these specific modes it picks in Auto EXR but doesn't explain what exactly they do, or if you could access any of them manually, for example, Backlit or Greenery.
Oelph said:
From what I've been told, selecting medium sized (6mp) in other modes is the equivalent of engaging EXR - the same pixel binning(?) technology is used to get the image and therefore you gain the same benefits.

I'd be interested for someone to clarify this however.
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Select M for the image size and then select either one of the DR modes or SN mode. This can be done in all the PASM modes.
 
When I select S (shutter priority) for example, and M 4:3, I seem to get the same choices I got at L. There is a Auto or DR100/200/400 just the same. There is no SN mode that I can see. What am I missing?
SHood said:
Select M for the image size and then select either one of the DR modes or SN mode. This can be done in all the PASM modes.
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Daniel Lauring said:
When I select S (shutter priority) for example, and M 4:3, I seem to get the same choices I got at L. There is a Auto or DR100/200/400 just the same. There is no SN mode that I can see. What am I missing?
SHood said:
Select M for the image size and then select either one of the DR modes or SN mode. This can be done in all the PASM modes.
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SN Mode is when your in EXR Mode. Just stick it in A Priority Mode, size M (6mp) and chose you DR from the menu, I don't think you get an F menu like the older Fujis you may have to delve into the main menu.

It's not rocket science, the X10 is the same as all the EXR cams before it, we never had all these silly questions before.

Paul.
 
Daniel Lauring said:
When I select S (shutter priority) for example, and M 4:3, I seem to get the same choices I got at L. There is a Auto or DR100/200/400 just the same. There is no SN mode that I can see. What am I missing?
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At L size, DR 400% raises the ISO two stops, or equivalent shutter-aperture combo.

At M size, DR 400% does pixel binning and selects the lowest usable ISO. This is why KimL does not recommend DR 800% or higher.
 
For grins I tried some "scene" modes. I tried "Party" (suitable for shooting indoor events.) Maybe...if everyone is frozen still and the camera is on a tripod because it chose 1/6 shutter speed and iso 1600 (not adjustable in SP.) Worse, it chose 1/4 when I chose "Natural Light" (retains natural ambience without flash.) Sports yielded a smoking 1/13th. By the way, shutter priority at 1/30th and iso 1600 was a little dark but recoverable and quite fine at iso 3200.
 
There are no silly questions, just silly manuals.

So you are saying the only way to access SN mode, or get the benefits of it, are when I let the camera control everything in EXR mode? That limits the usefulness of it to me...especially because it keeps choosing much too low shutter speeds. Or are you saying it always does a pixel binning SN thing, as long as you choose 6Mp?

I never use priority mode. I like to have more control than that.
PAUL TILL said:
SN Mode is when your in EXR Mode. Just stick it in A Priority Mode, size M (6mp) and chose you DR from the menu, I don't think you get an F menu like the older Fujis you may have to delve into the main menu.

It's not rocket science, the X10 is the same as all the EXR cams before it, we never had all these silly questions before.
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Not sure why you are mentioning DR800 because there isn't such an animal available?
CAcreeks said:
At M size, DR 400% does pixel binning and selects the lowest usable ISO. This is why KimL does not recommend DR 800% or higher.
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Daniel Lauring said:
There are no silly questions, just silly manuals.

So you are saying the only way to access SN mode, or get the benefits of it, are when I let the camera control everything in EXR mode? That limits the usefulness of it to me...especially because it keeps choosing much too low shutter speeds. Or are you saying it always does a pixel binning SN thing, as long as you choose 6Mp?
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Fuji have never come clean and said if these EXR cams do pixel bin when not in one of the two EXR modes that do support it (DR & SN) but from various tests by different people over the years (me included) we assume it does so long as you are in size M.

Paul.
 
Nope. Just Auto, 100, 200 and 400. Maybe Fuji realized it wasn't useful as was mentioned. I wonder how intelligent auto is. I've just been leaving it set there.
PAUL TILL said:
Daniel Lauring said:
Not sure why you are mentioning DR800 because there isn't such an animal available?
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Is there not? I thought they all had DR 800% (f200 definitely does), the new CMOS ones like yours and the F550/600 even have 1600%

Paul.
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After a few moment in the X10 menu i realised Fuji are

1. trying to make it as customisable as possible for different users just as in say a 1DX
2. that cheeky RAW button is really helpful ... cuts the mustard.

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HCB "Photography has not changed since its origin except in its technical aspects, which for me are not important."
 
or nearly any other model P&S. The X100 was terrible with its nonsensical functions, crazy quirks, cumbersome menu and functions buried deep. As I recall, couldn’t even use fill flash in Auto DR mode without diving into the menu to change it. And now the X10 piles on to that with this EXR confusion.
 
smallcams said:
or nearly any other model P&S. The X100 was terrible with its nonsensical functions, crazy quirks, cumbersome menu and functions buried deep. As I recall, couldn’t even use fill flash in Auto DR mode without diving into the menu to change it. And now the X10 piles on to that with this EXR confusion.
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What confusion? I've had the F200EXR, F70EXR,F300EXR and F550EXR and haven't been confused and haven't had to read a manual yet either. I don't have the X10 so don't know, but most Fuji menus are pretty straight forward, some might say basic.

Paul.
 
smallcams said:
or nearly any other model P&S. The X100 was terrible with its nonsensical functions, crazy quirks, cumbersome menu and functions buried deep. As I recall, couldn’t even use fill flash in Auto DR mode without diving into the menu to change it. And now the X10 piles on to that with this EXR confusion.
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Say a 1D4 the menu has many customisables, 1DX even more because various pros set up the pro Canons just as they want then trust the camera to deliver.
Imagine if 1D4, 1DX didnt have such extensive customisables.

X10 is a pro compact. Hence its extensive customisables.

From my own testing i know i can set X10 up just as i like and trust X10 to deliver.

X10 also has simple modes for those who like things KISS.

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HCB "Photography has not changed since its origin except in its technical aspects, which for me are not important."
 
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