Snobbish SLR pro did NOT like my F717 and.........

Nice shot John again! A bit more ss for sure would "stop" the ball cold.

Thanks for sharing! That UZ was a terrific cam in the daylight!

MAC
http://www.pbase.com/image/1763689/large
http://www.pbase.com/image/8945785/original
In order to sell action photos, you need to see threads on the
ball. 717 will not take action photos that "consistently sell"
The 5x lens is good for stills and ISO 100 shots -- but action --
no way can it consistently perform and stop the motion and stop
motion and see the threads on the ball --
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MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com
 
Agreed! 16 x 20 are just fine, even with my D30 when I shoot RAW and create 3.2 MEG file that becomes a 19 meg tiff file and I scale using Stair Interpolation to a 150 MEG file. The key is having a noise free clean file to start with -- truly the D30's strength as well as a strength of ISO 50 from a G3 and ISO 100 from a 717.

MAC
Hey, I just got back a beautiful 16x20 of this image:



And I can truly say the quality is great. I feel completely
comfortable selling good quality images from the F717 at this size.
So don't limit yourself to greeting card size only ;-)

--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
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MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com
 
The right equipment Matthew is to use lenses with F2.8 or better in low light. Also users need to know how to focus on a contrast edge. Also the ST-E2 makes focus a breeze -- it is all about technique and equipment and I get a high % in focus -- so do not believe everything you read from inexperienced users using inferior glass -- also fast lenses perform -- and canon makes some of the greatest glass that performs -- my canon 50 mm f1.4 focuses almost in complete darkness "handheld"-- ISO 1600 -- again -- a Sony cam is nice, but will not do this:

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/gallery/album33/arch_sunset
They have low-light focusing problems that the F717 does not.

I shot a wedding and reception with my F707 and got a bunch of
great shots. Probably less that 5% OOF.

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my favorite work: http://www.pbase.com/sdaconsulting/favorite_work
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MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com
 
I'm already selling 8 x 10 matted prints :-)

If my gallery presentation is successful (next week, postponed from last week) meaning they are content with the image quality of the 8x 10 sample / portfolio boards, I'll graduate to 11 x 14 & 16 x 20's.

So, thank you for the vote of confidence on the F717 image quality...

let's leave Mac to shooting sports images with his quality equipment, I'll make my money any way I can... with MUCH less equipment expense, for now.

Later,
Mark J
Hey, I just got back a beautiful 16x20 of this image:



And I can truly say the quality is great. I feel completely
comfortable selling good quality images from the F717 at this size.
So don't limit yourself to greeting card size only ;-)

--
Shay

My Sony F707 & F717 Gallery: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
My F717 Observations: http://www.shaystephens.com/f717.asp
 
I congratulate you on the very mature way you handled the situation and didn't act like some Snotnosed little boy about it. I'm guessing many a man/woman might have wanted to get physical with that snob! lol

Samantha
I kept my cool, did not fire back any insults, did not tell him his
comments were borderline insulting.....
He's a real charmer. I guess he didn't sell you too many pictures.
Sounds like he should hire someone else to interface to the
customer. :-) I really don't understand this rivalry between
digital and film. I mean... film sucks, end of story. :-)

Charles.
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The other day I went to... no wait, that was someone else.
Sony 707 (Since Oct 14, 2002)
Canon S100 (Since Feb 2001)
http://homepage.mac.com/charlesclloyd
 
Yes -- your still life work is nice! But I'll not hire a shooter
with only a 717 to do my daughters wedding...flash photography is
not its strength in high paced indoor event photography...
I wouldn't do wedding photography if you paid me :-) Too many headaches

there will come a time however that the digital cam market will
surpass the usefullness of a SLR.... it WILL happen, trust me. The
words "one hour photo lab" will be as extinct as a the caveman :-)
No it will not soon --- because no one piece of glass can do it
all -- changeable lenses will remain -- 5x is asking too much... in
the DSLR we need 5 -6 pieces of glass to cover the range and have
the flexibility -- change is not about digital bodies, it is about
glass -- why do you think glass technology will change so rapidly??
I did not express myself properly... included in digicams are DSLR's, don't those have multiple lenses available to use ? You assumed I was referring to digical cameras with one lens.
http://studiomgallery.com/gallery

PS, I had a feeling someone would turn this thread into a SLR vs.
digicam debate... not my intent or fault of course :-)
Why do you think it is a fault to give sound advice to Sony users
who might want to see the advantages of using that film body or a
DSLR?
I think you misunderstood what I meant and, that's very easy for me, I do it all the time :-) I did not mean fault in what you were saying... I meant not my doing that the thread turned towards a digital vs SLR comparison which really had nothing to do with my story. My story was about an SLR user, supposedly a professional, who was speaking to me in a denegrating way about digital cameras, purely based on the fact that he had some kind of problem with digital cameras... whatever his actual problem is, I'll never know...nor do I care at this point. It's hard enough with us F717 owners walking around getting "the look" everytime we pull it out to take pictures... then we have to deal with people like the guy I met selling his prints on the beach

sorry if I did not express myself well, no reply necessary :-)

Mark J
 
sorry if I did not express myself well, no reply necessary :-)

Mark J
Isn't this medium a difficult one to express oneself -- i'd prefer sitting around chatting and having a few beers ..

Well anyway, good luck on your portfolio Mark and card projects-- looks like you have some nice stuff -- BTW, I make greeting cards too for local artists -- probably one of my primary means of paying for all this gear. Good Luck and happy hollidays!



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MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com
 
as stated below, both tools are needed. I never suggested otherwise.

MAC wrote:
both tools give the shooter the table saw and the miter
saw -- tools that one needs to do different jobs.
 
Remember I had the 505v -- I loved that cam, it was the miter saw to my D30 table saw. Now I will have the G3 as my miter saw and give the old 505v miter saw to my daughter. The G3 has the advantage of sharing flashes, ST-E2, CF cards and batteries with my D30 -- makes it a terrific miter saw match with my D30! Happy Holidays Matthew -- here is mine with one of the sharpest lenses for a DSLR/MAC:




Camera was held 8' off the ground. Composition through pivoting
LCD viewfinder.



Camera was held down right above the water. Composition through
pivoting LCD viewfinder.

http://www.pbase.com/image/5315316

Handheld in front, leaning towards the bug. Available light.
Composition through LCD viewfinder.

Both cameras have strengths and weaknesses.
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my favorite work: http://www.pbase.com/sdaconsulting/favorite_work
--
MAC
http://www.digi-pictures.com
 
Did you really need the ISO 1600 for the basketball game, or was that just a test?

The higher ISO and its associated "relative" low noise is one of the best reasons (for me) to go with a DSLR. Still, the price just stinks. I'm not gonna do it. Not while I can manage my shooting with a high-end prosumer. You won't get EVERY kind of shot possible, but you'll get probably better than 90% (at least that, for what I shoot... for now).
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Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291269101

I'm an uncle!!!

 
Hey man!! Don't get me involved here. :-)

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!©

I was never a Sonyist. I enjoyed Sony cameras and bought them. But I was always a photographer who just wanted the most image for the dollar that I had available.

I'm continuing that quest.

heheheh.... {whew}
what is the intent of a forum -- to encourage improvement I
hope...and not be a Sonyist -- look --even Uly and I were Sonyists
-- now we're buying G3's and continue to hope for our dream DSLR
that will last instead of be obsolete in 3 years! hehe
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Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291269101

I'm an uncle!!!

 
I am using AC studio strobes and have been getting great
consistancy with them. I have not done any extensive use of hot
shoe mounted flash photography, so can't speak to that.
As this thread shows (great educational material here, BTW), it's more about knowing your camera, knowing your gear, and knowing your environment than anything else. You can pretty much do "pro-quality work" with nearly anything. If you know how and why you're using it.

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Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=4291269101

I'm an uncle!!!

 

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