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X10: An excellent review.

This is a link to a Russian review of the x10, complete with EXR and advanced pro mode examples. If one can put up with the sometimes awkward translation it makes for an enlightening read.

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://prophotos.ru/reviews/14660-fujifilm-finepix-x10&ei=NRisTq6QI6b_mAXdyoGBDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=15&ved=0CKoBEO4BMA4&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfinepix%2Bx10%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D800%26tbs%3Dqdr:d%26prmd%3Divns

Remarkably, the camera would appear to be orientated to lovers of film rather than pixel peepers. The images it produces are filled with wonderful tone and colour. In particular the 6mp EXR low light mode is beautiful.

The lens is clearly excellent for any class of camera.
 
max metz said:
X10: An excellent review.

This is a link to a Russian review of the x10, complete with EXR and advanced pro mode examples. If one can put up with the sometimes awkward translation it makes for an enlightening read.

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://prophotos.ru/reviews/14660-fujifilm-finepix-x10&ei=NRisTq6QI6b_mAXdyoGBDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=15&ved=0CKoBEO4BMA4&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfinepix%2Bx10%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D800%26tbs%3Dqdr:d%26prmd%3Divns

Remarkably, the camera would appear to be orientated to lovers of film rather than pixel peepers. The images it produces are filled with wonderful tone and colour. In particular the 6mp EXR low light mode is beautiful.
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Well, it's nice that the tone and color are lovely, but 6MP just isn't enough for me anymore. My monitor's resolution is just a little short of 6MP, so I couldn't even fill my monitor's resolution from corner to corner if I cropped 6MP images even a bit l :/

I opened the Prophotos review of Canon G11 and compared the images on the conclusion page to X10. The images from the X10 looked quite soft even at ISO 100 compared to the G11. The images are not 100% accurately set to mach each other, but you can use them for comparison (the bills are at least framed to mach). The X10 just shouldn't produce images that are inferior to other enthusiast cameras. It should be able to match them - I ask for nothing more. Love the mechanics of the camera, but I'll have to pass if it doesn't deliver the sharpness.

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pics: http://www.pbase.com/arn
 
Looks good!
Image quality is not a match to APS-C but it's good enough for me!

Besides, it's smaller, has a good zoom lens and optical viewfinder, does good high-ISO JPGs in-camera, and that's a winning combination in my book.

They made the statement that it is a fun camera for those who already own a DSLR, and that fits me too.
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Tom Schum
 
Arn said:
Well, it's nice that the tone and color are lovely, but 6MP just isn't enough for me anymore. My monitor's resolution is just a little short of 6MP, so I couldn't even fill my monitor's resolution from corner to corner if I cropped 6MP images even a bit l :/
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I'm intrigued, what resolution does your monitor have? My trusty Nikon D40 has 6MP, which translates to 3008x2000 (3:2) and I haven't seen many monitors IRL that come close to that...
 
Indeed 6mp is fine even for larger prints. This is an interesting read: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm .

I'll be shooting 6mp exr most times. But letting go of pixel peeping and IQ perfection isn't something you can tell someone to do. They have to come to that realisation on their own.

As mentioned in the above link, color, tone and composition matter more. Always have and always will. Some of the best color rendition ever acknowledged in a digital camera comes from the now ancient 3mp Canon D30.
 
voz said:
Arn said:
Well, it's nice that the tone and color are lovely, but 6MP just isn't enough for me anymore. My monitor's resolution is just a little short of 6MP, so I couldn't even fill my monitor's resolution from corner to corner if I cropped 6MP images even a bit l :/
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I'm intrigued, what resolution does your monitor have? My trusty Nikon D40 has 6MP, which translates to 3008x2000 (3:2) and I haven't seen many monitors IRL that come close to that...
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I'm intrigued too. I imagine Arn probably has a monitor with 2560 x 1600 res which is 4MP.
Cropping 6MP by a significant 33% will bring it to the monitors native res.
 
Arn said:
I opened the Prophotos review of Canon G11 and compared the images on the conclusion page to X10. The images from the X10 looked quite soft even at ISO 100 compared to the G11. The images are not 100% accurately set to mach each other, but you can use them for comparison (the bills are at least framed to mach). The X10 just shouldn't produce images that are inferior to other enthusiast cameras. It should be able to match them - I ask for nothing more. Love the mechanics of the camera, but I'll have to pass if it doesn't deliver the sharpness.
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OK Lets check this:-

X10 ASA 800 F2.8



G11 ASA 800 F2.8



X10 ASA 100 F2.8



G11 ASA 100 F2.8



I rest my case....

Peter T
 
Arn said:
Well, it's nice that the tone and color are lovely, but 6MP just isn't enough for me anymore. My monitor's resolution is just a little short of 6MP, so I couldn't even fill my monitor's resolution from corner to corner if I cropped 6MP images even a bit ...
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The samples look more like paintings than photographs. The argument from the other side will be that they probably need to be sharpened. However, with the X10, this could be a double-edged sword, since it would also enhance the appearance of noise.

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'Don't sneak up on it - surround it'
 
What kind of monitor do you have with such resolution?
Arn said:
max metz said:
X10: An excellent review.

This is a link to a Russian review of the x10, complete with EXR and advanced pro mode examples. If one can put up with the sometimes awkward translation it makes for an enlightening read.

http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://prophotos.ru/reviews/14660-fujifilm-finepix-x10&ei=NRisTq6QI6b_mAXdyoGBDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=15&ved=0CKoBEO4BMA4&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfinepix%2Bx10%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D800%26tbs%3Dqdr:d%26prmd%3Divns

Remarkably, the camera would appear to be orientated to lovers of film rather than pixel peepers. The images it produces are filled with wonderful tone and colour. In particular the 6mp EXR low light mode is beautiful.
Click to expand...
Well, it's nice that the tone and color are lovely, but 6MP just isn't enough for me anymore. My monitor's resolution is just a little short of 6MP, so I couldn't even fill my monitor's resolution from corner to corner if I cropped 6MP images even a bit l :/

I opened the Prophotos review of Canon G11 and compared the images on the conclusion page to X10. The images from the X10 looked quite soft even at ISO 100 compared to the G11. The images are not 100% accurately set to mach each other, but you can use them for comparison (the bills are at least framed to mach). The X10 just shouldn't produce images that are inferior to other enthusiast cameras. It should be able to match them - I ask for nothing more. Love the mechanics of the camera, but I'll have to pass if it doesn't deliver the sharpness.

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pics: http://www.pbase.com/arn
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At last we have some decent calibrated studio shots to compare with other cameras!

I did some comparisons with the Olympus XZ-1 test on the same site, and the X10 pictures do look disappointlingly soft.
 
Oelph said:
Indeed 6mp is fine even for larger prints. This is an interesting read: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm .

I'll be shooting 6mp exr most times. But letting go of pixel peeping and IQ perfection isn't something you can tell someone to do. They have to come to that realisation on their own.

As mentioned in the above link, color, tone and composition matter more. Always have and always will. Some of the best color rendition ever acknowledged in a digital camera comes from the now ancient 3mp Canon D30.
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Can you shoot RAW at 6mp?
 
Now a much stiffer test!

X10 ASA 800 F5.6



NEX-5N 800 F8



The superiority of the APS-C sensor is clear

X10 ASA 100 F4.0



NEX-5N ASA 100 F3.5



Now that's a suprise! I would say the X10 wins easily. It's clear that the Sony (and the kit lenses sold with most of the DSLR's) are well behind that fitted to the X10.
PG Thomas said:
Peter T
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PG Thomas said:
It's clear that the Sony (and the kit lenses sold with most of the DSLR's) are well behind that fitted to the X10.
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I'm impressed.

I've just run some of the images through Focus Magic and they are no softer than the default images from my Sony A55 and Zeiss 16-80mm lens.

So many naysayers in this forum and yet Fuji appears to be giving enthusiasts what they want with the X series......now I want an X10 with an APS-C sensor! ( I'll take the size hike )
 
OK Lets check this:-

X10 ASA 800 F5.6



LX5 ASA 800 5.6



X10 ASA 100 F2.8



LX5 ASA 100 F2.8



Quite Close... Possibly X10 by a margin...

Peter T
 
so...to try to draw a few conclusions from all of this so far:

the superiority of the Sony 5N sensor is clear, right? witness the details of the doll's hat, jewelry, and literally everything! beautiful textures captured, etc.

yet, the superiority of the Fuji x10's lens is also clear, right?

BUT, why would the 5N's black and white test chart image appear to be SO very blurry/out of focus when even slightly away from the very center?

is this baffling? or is it merely the simple answer: the Sony lens is lousy?

look forward to hearing from the knowledgeable good folks here.

thx in advance.
 
vincentnyc said:
BUT, why would the 5N's black and white test chart image appear to be SO very blurry/out of focus when even slightly away from the very center?

is this baffling? or is it merely the simple answer: the Sony lens is lousy?

look forward to hearing from the knowledgeable good folks here.

thx in advance.
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Very simple - The differences in the depth of field between the two sensor sizes. So ignore the background behind the Doll for APS-C at F5.6. But that doesn't excuse the poor edge performance seen on the test charts.

All of this is interesting, and one can copare ones' own DSLR against the X10 (Pentax K5 Kit lens is not too bad, but Nikon 7000 was poor!).

The REAL test, which we will all accept, is when DPR do theirs...

Pete T
 
Indeed. Printing needs much less resolution than people think. I've got a 12x9 print, from an Epson large format printer, that was taken with the Canon D30, a 3.1Mp camera. It appears to have more detail than photographic prints we have.

The biggest advantage of the extra resolution is very large prints and for cropping in post.
Oelph said:
Indeed 6mp is fine even for larger prints. This is an interesting read: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm .

I'll be shooting 6mp exr most times. But letting go of pixel peeping and IQ perfection isn't something you can tell someone to do. They have to come to that realisation on their own.

As mentioned in the above link, color, tone and composition matter more. Always have and always will. Some of the best color rendition ever acknowledged in a digital camera comes from the now ancient 3mp Canon D30.
Click to expand...
 
PG Thomas wrote:
OK Lets check this:-

X10 ASA 800 F5.6



EP-3 ASA 800 8.0



X10 ASA 100 F4



EP-3 ASA 100 F4



Quite Close... Possibly EP-3 by a margin...

Peter T
 
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