K-5 has larger RAW files, especially at higher ISO.Poor JPEG engine and 'immense' RAW files... Lol
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A77 Verdict
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7D is still rated #1 in that class with 84% ..
hikenhi
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If they were to redo it today, they wouldn't give the 7D as High as Marks when you factor in the DXO Mark it recieved:
7D's Marks:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Canon/EOS-7D
K-5's Marks:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Pentax/K5
Any Questions that the K-5's 83% is Higher than 7D's 84% when you factor in a very comprehensive IQ Mark like the DXO Score of 66 for the 7D vs and 82 for the K-5.
Are you Kidding Me, the 7D better than the K-5?
7D's Marks:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Canon/EOS-7D
K-5's Marks:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Camera-Sensor-Database/Pentax/K5
Any Questions that the K-5's 83% is Higher than 7D's 84% when you factor in a very comprehensive IQ Mark like the DXO Score of 66 for the 7D vs and 82 for the K-5.
Are you Kidding Me, the 7D better than the K-5?
Funny you claimed that K-5 is the the defending champ on DPR category, I corrected you (rightly) that in fact it is 7D that is the defending champ. 84%. Now you are posting Dxomark scores. WTF? Were you talking about Dxomark or DPR scores?
Since Nikon D5100 scores higher than 7D on Dxomark, D5100 should be rated higher than 7D on DPRreview? Dxomark do not rate cameras, they rate sensors. Stick to one topic. There is no need to twist and turn. 7D is the highest score in semi-professional category on DPR. Your original statement was factually false.
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cgarrard
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The 7D pretty extensively.
Besides its more sophisticated auto focus for tracking, and inherent flash system/lens system advantages, I don't see a big case to be made for the 7D. It's a fine camera no doubt- two years ago, but if you are judging image quality as a major factor (and you kinda should) the K5 wins hands down.
Also the build quality on the K5 is better.
I saw internal plastic parts under the CF cover of the 7D after I discovered creaking in the grip that were accountable for it. That left a bad taste in my mouth- I hate creaking in a camera grip, hate it- tolerable for half that price, not for the original MSRP of the 7D I paid.
Otherwise of the two- the K5 is the winner.
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Besides its more sophisticated auto focus for tracking, and inherent flash system/lens system advantages, I don't see a big case to be made for the 7D. It's a fine camera no doubt- two years ago, but if you are judging image quality as a major factor (and you kinda should) the K5 wins hands down.
Also the build quality on the K5 is better.
I saw internal plastic parts under the CF cover of the 7D after I discovered creaking in the grip that were accountable for it. That left a bad taste in my mouth- I hate creaking in a camera grip, hate it- tolerable for half that price, not for the original MSRP of the 7D I paid.
Otherwise of the two- the K5 is the winner.
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jimrpdx
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Sony is an electroics company, so no surprise this is their way of 'improving' the SLR design. I bought into them in the A200/A700 timeframe, when Minolta breathed its last - then bailed as Sony learned how to make electronic-enhanced cameras in spite of the Minolta heritage. I greatly prefer the Pentax path since 2008, and look forward to the good things that Ricoh is capable of adding to the mix.
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That's fine if you think that. No problem
But keep in mind I was responding to a factua statement made by someone who said K-5 is the highest rated camera on Dpreview. That is not true. 7D is the highest rated camera on Dpreview (excluding professional models like D3s and 1D).
eljamoquio
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I haven't used it, but it sounds like it's more like seeing a 'very fast strobe light illuminated scene, delayed slightly', rather than a continuous realtime image. You might not be able to react in 0.2 seconds but you can take your knowledge of where something was 0.2 seconds ago, compared it to where it is now, and predict where it will be when you press the shutter.
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hikenhi
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No, D5100 is not in the same class with Semi-Pro Attributes, but it is an embarassment to the 7D. The only reason the K-5 didn't recieve a higher reveiw % in Dpreview was because of the lack of a 1-touch Video(.) Also, I'm not sure if you've read the reviews from other sights, but the ones that are more current on the 7D mention nothing of the K-5, while the ones on the K-5 including the one from Dpreview show plenty of IQ tests that would tend to support that the K-5 is a Better camera. I hate to say it, but there's no way you can say that a camera with a Max Quality ISO Mark of 854 and a Max Dynamic Range of 11.7 EV is better than a camera with a Max Quality ISO Mark of 1162 and a Dynamic Range of 14.1 EV. Oh, by the way, the 14.1 EV is the Highest Dynamic Range of any Digital Camera in the World(.) And the most important thing Mr. Dpreview, the 7D got a Highly Recommended and the K-5 got a Gold Award. Hmmmmm???
hikenhi
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It is Bro. The Curve for the overall Score has gotten Higher as has the Competiton since the review for the 7D, which is over 2 years old.
hikenhi
Forum Enthusiast
Dpreview is a company that Reviews all aspects of the camera and rates it with a percentage.
DXO Labs is like a Scientist with a PhD in Rating IQ--that's all they do, and they're the best at it.
I was reading some of IQ sections on the A77's reveiw of DPreview--it didn't match that of what DXO stated about the A77. As a mater of fact, I almost think that it was biased, but that's my opinion, not their results.
DXO Labs is like a Scientist with a PhD in Rating IQ--that's all they do, and they're the best at it.
I was reading some of IQ sections on the A77's reveiw of DPreview--it didn't match that of what DXO stated about the A77. As a mater of fact, I almost think that it was biased, but that's my opinion, not their results.
k-5 was reviewed only one year after 7D, so according to you the next camera will only need to score 82% on DPR to "beat" it? So A77 missed that by 1% (according to your weird logic).
No one takes DPR rating seriously but you posted a factually incorrect statement. 7D is the "highest" rated camera by DPR. You are free to reject DPR scores (I do), but don't posts factually incorrect claims.
Yes, and DPR scores are laughably inconsistent. I can post several examples (they rate Kx higher ISO better than k5, they rate GH1 RAWs better than Kx, and on and on). And they rated 7D higher than K-5.
Overall, I believe DPR's A77 review was pretty fair.
hikenhi
Forum Enthusiast
DPreview is a general review of all aspects of a camera. When it's as close as 1% yet a comprehensive IQ testing laboratory like DXO labs gives one camera a 66 and the other and 82, can you agree which camera is probably better?
Once again, this is what a fifth time, I repeat: I responded to your specific post where you said K-5 kept it's score of highest rated camera on DPR. That is factually incorrect. 7D is the highest rated camera on DPR (outside the pro cameras like 1D and D3s).
I was never arguing what camera is better. I was responding to a specific factual statement made about DPR ratings.
Dxomark rates sensors+cameras (RAW only) K-5 dxomark score is within margin of error of all cameras that same use the same sensor (D5100, D7000, A580).
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Barry Fitzgerald
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We can but hope!
Agree Sony abandoned anything Minolta wise many of the good ideas and handling had to go even though they had nailed a lot of it down. Sony were determined to wipe out most traces of Minolta and in effect they wiped out any interest I had left in A mount.
Pentax have some work to do on a few things but overall they are a photographic company and Sony isn't. I will never again venture to any camera from an electronics company they are incapable of really understanding the needs of photographers.
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ii tried briefly the camra at a shop and i was really amazed of the tearing slideshow effect when trying to panning , or just moving slightly sideway the camera when shooting,. in practice when you begin the action you lose total control of the subject, maybe you cna track it with the eye, btu this can be done when subject ios pretty far and you use wide angle lenses, for tight action shots with low dof this camera is simply unusable for consistent results. in my opinion you can obtain nice photos with the first frameof a series and with luck and "shoot and spray " technique you can obtain other nice frame, but optical viewfinder is simply MUCH better.
considering the camera is marketed for high frame and action i think the disappointment is maximum.
slt in muy opinion at this point is a completely useless technology. if i need an evf i buy a nexx 7, what's the point of slt when you lose image quality and af is so poor for action? video af? just plain ridicolous.
ii tried briefly the camra at a shop and i was really amazed of the tearing slideshow effect when trying to panning , or just moving slightly sideway the camera when shooting,. in practice when you begin the action you lose total control of the subject, maybe you cna track it with the eye, btu this can be done when subject ios pretty far and you use wide angle lenses, for tight action shots with low dof this camera is simply unusable for consistent results. in my opinion you can obtain nice photos with the first frameof a series and with luck and "shoot and spray " technique you can obtain other nice frame, but optical viewfinder is simply MUCH better.
considering the camera is marketed for high frame and action i think the disappointment is maximum.
slt in muy opinion at this point is a completely useless technology. if i need an evf i buy a nexx 7, what's the point of slt when you lose image quality and af is so poor for action? video af? just plain ridicolous.
right. i mean what' we care of market share? i mean i dont care, i like pentax stay in business and produce gear for semi pro and pro. i dont care if they have big raw file or nr at high iso noise, simply that they produce the best apsc camera in the market. and they did, even with all the problems they have.
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