My Interview with Chuck Westfall on the Canon EOS-1D x

DB: Moving forward, has Canon dropped the APS-H sensor from its future plans?

CW: The 1.3 crop sensor is not being killed off. Canon is keeping all options open for future products.

That seems a supprizingly definate answer.
 
Kudos to the author for being among the first to interview Chuck Westfall on this 1D X.
  • Chuck clearly repudiates the AF technology employed in all predecessor models. It's the classic "tough luck, buddy" answer. Microsoft is the master at this, repudiating major Windows features as each new generation of the OS comes out.
  • Regarding dropping AF at f/8, think Steve Jobs and Apple. Do you think he would have settled for that? Steve would have yelled and screamed for an hour, demanding that the engineering staff not return until they've figured out how to do it. On this point, Canon deserved to be ashamed of itself. You simply don't take away features that users employ every day.
  • Like all good PR people, Chuck can only verbalizes policy created by others, he does not make policy. To wit, his comment, "I have no further comment at this time, because Canon Inc. has not published answers to those questions." Chuck's just doing his job here; he can say only that which he allowed to say. His phrasing suggests there is more he'd like to say on the topic, but the poor guy's hands are tied. Give him credit for knowing when to keep mum.
  • No one provides extended verbatim corporate quotations as Chuck appears to do in this interview. He claims he is quoting the Canon website when he says "To quote the Canon website 'By using the colour of the subject that was initially focused, the AF system can track the movement of that subject, both by contrast and colour across the frame, and automatically select the most appropriate focus point given the position of the subject within the frame. This frees you up to concentrate on composing your images rather than selecting the best AF point for focus.' ' If Chuck's memory is that perfect, he deserves a Nobel prize. This makes me question the circumstances under which the interview was conducted. If, in fact, he is not directly quoting the website, the editor should not have placed quotation marks. Furthermore, the editor's own blog indicates he resides in New Mexico. Chuck lives in the greater New York area. So, (with apologies to the Brits, Aussies, and Canadians in the crowd) why is there a "u" in Chuck's use of the word "colour?" That would be inconsistent with the circumstances of the interview -- unless it did not occur as stated by the author. It could be a cut-and-paste job. It appears the author hails from the U.K., nevertheless, the inconsistency is there.
I'll see Chuck at PhotoExpo Plus in New York on Thursday and will ask some follow-up questions.
 
  • Regarding dropping AF at f/8, think Steve Jobs and Apple. Do you think he would have settled for that? Steve would have yelled and screamed for an hour, demanding that the engineering staff not return until they've figured out how to do it. On this point, Canon deserved to be ashamed of itself. You simply don't take away features that users employ every day.
Actually that seems exactly what Jobs would have settled for, much of Apples success is based on selling inferior functionality due to lack of competision in a closed system and/or brand loyality.
 
  • Regarding dropping AF at f/8, think Steve Jobs and Apple. Do you think he would have settled for that? Steve would have yelled and screamed for an hour, demanding that the engineering staff not return until they've figured out how to do it. On this point, Canon deserved to be ashamed of itself. You simply don't take away features that users employ every day.
Yeah right, tell that to all the pro Final Cut users, to the users who lost external drives, to the users upgrading to the Next-based version of Mac OS. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
That fellow is a trained PR talking head who acts as a diplomatic apologist for his employer, Canon. His job is to "spin" all negative attributes of a Canon product to sound positive or at least neutral. In the process, his verbiage is content-free and substance-free.
 
"CW: To get the full two stops of improved performance you’ll need to shoot in the JPEG format. That’s not to say that high ISO performance isn’t significantly better when shooting in RAW, because it absolutely is."

Although we can't/won't quantify how much better it is I guess. I already have NR in software and don't want to buy a $6,800 camera for better NR in JPEG.
 
The 1DX is just more of the same with a few more whistles. A great way to finish a product line.
So Canon, what's next?
Eduardo
"CW: To get the full two stops of improved performance you’ll need to shoot in the JPEG format. That’s not to say that high ISO performance isn’t significantly better when shooting in RAW, because it absolutely is."

Although we can't/won't quantify how much better it is I guess. I already have NR in software and don't want to buy a $6,800 camera for better NR in JPEG.
 
  • Regarding dropping AF at f/8, On this point, Canon deserved to be ashamed of itself. You simply don't take away features that users employ every day.
I interpret his description of the AF system is that it was a trade off between performance in AI servo tracking vs f8, and for this intended body/target market, AF tracking and high fps were the priorities. My read about his comment on wildlife shooters is that there will be another body addressing this market segment, so there are more opportunities to enable f8 AF. Obviously he is leaving the door open on the APS-H crop as well as the f8 issue.

It seems that the combining of the 1D series bodies has been over interpreted by many to suggest that the 1DX will solely address all market segments serviced by the 1D and 1Ds bodies. I believe that Canon intends to address the wildlife and landscape applications, it simply will not be with a 1D body, but a less expensive body style.
Mike K
 
I didn't know AF sensors saw in color. I'd like to see more detail on that.
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On the f8 AF does he mean it won't have AF period or is it only when using a teleconvertor?
 
On the f8 AF does he mean it won't have AF period or is it only when using a teleconvertor?
It really depends on what the lens report to the camera....
If you have a teleconverter that report f5.6 then the camera will be happy
 
Hey Doug,

Thank you for taking the time to put this together and to post it. I can see that you put a lot of work into it. If it is OK with you, I am going to share the link with with my community at NWP (though we are admittedly not really a gear forum).

Cheers
James

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The Nature Wildlife and Pet Photography Forum
http://www.nwpphotoforum.com
 
I didn't know AF sensors saw in color. I'd like to see more detail on that.
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the phase AF sensor does not but it can combine info from the 100k metering sensor I believe, it seems VERY odd that you can only do phase AF or phase + facial + color and not say phase + color without facial recognition, very bizarre and odd choice indeed
 
DB: As a follow-up question, why hasn’t Canon placed AF points at the compositional power points dictated by the rule of thirds?

CW: In a phase detect AF system, it is impossible to spread the AF points out any further. If you were to place AF points at the compositional power points, they wouldn’t receive enough light to do their job properly. You would need an entirely new AF technology to make that possible.

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peace

-Todd Muskopf
High School Senior Portraits in Beavercreek, Ohio (near Dayton)
http://www.muskopf.org
 
I just wanted to give everyone a heads-up that I've published an interview I did with Canon's Chuck Westfall on the soon-to-be-released EOS-1D x. You'll find some interesting information on f/8 autofocus, high ISO performance, and the future of the APS-H sensor. You can find the interview here: http://www.dougbrownphotography.com/2011/10/24/chuck-westfall-on-the-canon-eos-1d-x/ .
Thanks. That brings a lot of the wild speculations down to reality (in another thread, someone wrote that the 1Dx will have 5 stops better [high] ISO noise!).

I wish you would have asked him why Canon does not allow fill flash in auto-ISO mode.

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John

 
the phase AF sensor does not but it can combine info from the 100k metering sensor I believe, it seems VERY odd that you can only do phase AF or phase + facial + color and not say phase + color without facial recognition, very bizarre and odd choice indeed
"CW: The default AF mode is phase detect AF. Color and face detection is optional, but you can’t choose one or the other. It’s PDAF plus Color and Face Detection or PDAF only."

In the 5DII etc models face detection is a Live View option, so the data for face recognition are from the sensor. With a half silvered mirror SLR camera one cannot get Live View off of the sensor and PDAF at the same time. Thus Chucks statement above suggests that face recognition comes off of the 100k pixel color/exposure sensor. Agreed this is unusual.
 
That fellow is a trained PR talking head who acts as a diplomatic apologist for his employer, Canon. His job is to "spin" all negative attributes of a Canon product to sound positive or at least neutral. In the process, his verbiage is content-free and substance-free.
Of course he's the company mouthpiece, but you can still pull some facts from what he says. He is not going to say something limiting about the camera if it isn't true, such as saying that RAW won't be two stops better at high ISOs.

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John

 

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