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The 1DX will be an astounding camera. Not so much a merger but rather a 1D5 on steroids.

The 5D3 or a derivative of will now have to fill the gap left by the 1DS3. Others have speculated this and I agree. We are looking at 30+ MP, better AF. Better weather sealing? Not so sure. Similar sensor technology to 1DX? Probably? We will call this a 1DS4 lite. It probably is going to be in the +$3000 price range.
 
With these specs plus variable-angle LCD I would pay $4,000us.
With 7D specs and v.a. LCD certainly $3.3k

Eduardo
Spencer said:
The 1DX will be an astounding camera. Not so much a merger but rather a 1D5 on steroids.

The 5D3 or a derivative of will now have to fill the gap left by the 1DS3. Others have speculated this and I agree. We are looking at 30+ MP, better AF. Better weather sealing? Not so sure. Similar sensor technology to 1DX? Probably? We will call this a 1DS4 lite. It probably is going to be in the +$3000 price range.
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Hopefully it doesn't fall apart in specs compared to mirrorless, I want all the goodies in video what mirrorless have, decent AF compared to the 5D MK2, nothing shy in other departments.

For the 1Dx, where is the Full HD 60fps? Also, couldn't they go higher in MP instead of higher frame rate? I don't believe a word about the merge talk, it is clearly the replacement for the 1D Mk4, everything is tailored to sports shooter. The 1Ds is just discontinued, that is the truth.
Spencer said:
The 1DX will be an astounding camera. Not so much a merger but rather a 1D5 on steroids.

The 5D3 or a derivative of will now have to fill the gap left by the 1DS3. Others have speculated this and I agree. We are looking at 30+ MP, better AF. Better weather sealing? Not so sure. Similar sensor technology to 1DX? Probably? We will call this a 1DS4 lite. It probably is going to be in the +$3000 price range.
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Why do you want to pay 3.3k for 7D when you can get 7D now for $1.3k I just hope they will not listen to you and take 7D out of the equation for whatever they are coming out with next or they will have a disaster in their hand.

7D is more than 2years old. Canon need to move forward and not backward. I hope 5DIII will be closer to what Spencer was hoping for. Similar sensor technology to 1DX and way better AF system than one found in 7D.
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Eduardo
Spencer said:
The 1DX will be an astounding camera. Not so much a merger but rather a 1D5 on steroids.

The 5D3 or a derivative of will now have to fill the gap left by the 1DS3. Others have speculated this and I agree. We are looking at 30+ MP, better AF. Better weather sealing? Not so sure. Similar sensor technology to 1DX? Probably? We will call this a 1DS4 lite. It probably is going to be in the +$3000 price range.
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ihv said:
Hopefully it doesn't fall apart in specs compared to mirrorless, I want all the goodies in video what mirrorless have, decent AF compared to the 5D MK2, nothing shy in other departments.
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I anticipate the video featured cam will be a separate body. Perhaps we will see that in 2 weeks. It is possible to bin down a much higher MP sensor, but 2 Digic5+ are going to be expensive. A studio/landscape camera doesn't have to be fast, just high resolution. However extra processing power can be used to reduce noise.
 
OK. There've been many threads following thwe 1Dx announcement.

I want to add to this from my own experience (limited).

Years ago, i had a 1DsMKII. The pics were absolutely stunning, particularly the ability to rop, and a somewhat hard to describe quality. Sorry, I'm not technically inclined.

Dust problems forced me to forego the 1DsMKII, and I bought a Rebel, 350D. I loved that camera, with which i took many satisfying pictures.

Then, I bought a 7D and new lenses. I loved the build of that camera, and the visor. In the end, I came to hate that camera. For some unknown reason, I could not crop easily, the pics were too soft, I had to shrpen agressively, in other words, it was light-years away from the quality of my forst 1DsMKII.

I sold the 7D and all EF lenses.

Then, about 6 months ago, I bought a 5DMKII along with several L primes and a Zeiss 21 mm. I had sold all my zooms. Simply said, I love that camera. It's light, has excellent image quality, great cropability and it's simple to use. There's a learning curve with any new camera and any new lens. So, I have years (I hope) ahead of me to extract the quitessential potential of that camera and my new lenses.

Still, though, the image quality of the 5DMKII is not what the 1DsMKII was. There was something special about that camera, hard to define.

In conclusion, what I'm basically saying, is that megapixels mean nothing. The best camera I ever had was 16 MP. The Rebel with its 8 (or was it 10) MP was a lot of fun. The 7D with its abundance of megapixels was a dud. While the 5DII, also with an abundance of mwgapixels is fine, bit still not better than my 1DsMKII.

I think that Canon is going in the right direction with the 1Dx. Intelligence prevails over stupid marketing.

Thank you for reading.
 
I totally agreed with you. I shoot with 1DsII and 5DII now and the IQ on 1DsII is unbeatable. 7D on the other hand was the worst camera I have ever used.

1DX is my dream camera. I'm thinking seriously in investing on it but the price is very scary. What I really want is a 1DsII with bigger screen and faster processing power for under $4000.
Michel Savage said:
OK. There've been many threads following thwe 1Dx announcement.

I want to add to this from my own experience (limited).

Years ago, i had a 1DsMKII. The pics were absolutely stunning, particularly the ability to rop, and a somewhat hard to describe quality. Sorry, I'm not technically inclined.

Dust problems forced me to forego the 1DsMKII, and I bought a Rebel, 350D. I loved that camera, with which i took many satisfying pictures.

Then, I bought a 7D and new lenses. I loved the build of that camera, and the visor. In the end, I came to hate that camera. For some unknown reason, I could not crop easily, the pics were too soft, I had to shrpen agressively, in other words, it was light-years away from the quality of my forst 1DsMKII.

I sold the 7D and all EF lenses.

Then, about 6 months ago, I bought a 5DMKII along with several L primes and a Zeiss 21 mm. I had sold all my zooms. Simply said, I love that camera. It's light, has excellent image quality, great cropability and it's simple to use. There's a learning curve with any new camera and any new lens. So, I have years (I hope) ahead of me to extract the quitessential potential of that camera and my new lenses.

Still, though, the image quality of the 5DMKII is not what the 1DsMKII was. There was something special about that camera, hard to define.

In conclusion, what I'm basically saying, is that megapixels mean nothing. The best camera I ever had was 16 MP. The Rebel with its 8 (or was it 10) MP was a lot of fun. The 7D with its abundance of megapixels was a dud. While the 5DII, also with an abundance of mwgapixels is fine, bit still not better than my 1DsMKII.

I think that Canon is going in the right direction with the 1Dx. Intelligence prevails over stupid marketing.

Thank you for reading.
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Michel Savage said:
I think that Canon is going in the right direction with the 1Dx. Intelligence prevails over stupid marketing.
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There is nothing bad really about more megapixels if they do offer added value.

The issue as I see it is that Canon could have made the 1D Mk4 what the 1Dx is today, 2 years ago.

Today, the 18mp@FF is somewhat yesterday. And it is even not out.

There is always a trick with Canon, don't you think they left a lot of users confused? What about reach? What about a big number of megapixels? Did they lie about the crop as the truth seems suddenly opposite? If the cameras merged, why not even a little step towards the former 1ds users, instead they chose to increase the frame rate, out of blue? Why is the new flagship missing 60fps? Why so many questions with Canon?

The true innovation seems to be in the mirrorless segment. I never thought myself that at one point I could be truly looking away from SLR-s, the monsters which theoretically have all the capabilities to shine in every respect, but in fact look less and less attractive at their price points and features.
 
Seems like the 5DIII you describe would leave the 1Dx in its dust. And it's going to cost some $3,000 - $4,000 less than the 1Dx? So who's that leave to buy the 1Dx, a relative handful of sports photographers? If that's the case then Canon has wasted a whole lot of time and money on the 1Dx.
 
Michel Savage said:
OK. There've been many threads following thwe 1Dx announcement.

I want to add to this from my own experience (limited).

Years ago, i had a 1DsMKII. The pics were absolutely stunning, particularly the ability to rop, and a somewhat hard to describe quality. Sorry, I'm not technically inclined.

Dust problems forced me to forego the 1DsMKII, and I bought a Rebel, 350D. I loved that camera, with which i took many satisfying pictures.

Then, I bought a 7D and new lenses. I loved the build of that camera, and the visor. In the end, I came to hate that camera. For some unknown reason, I could not crop easily, the pics were too soft, I had to shrpen agressively, in other words, it was light-years away from the quality of my forst 1DsMKII.

I sold the 7D and all EF lenses.

Then, about 6 months ago, I bought a 5DMKII along with several L primes and a Zeiss 21 mm. I had sold all my zooms. Simply said, I love that camera. It's light, has excellent image quality, great cropability and it's simple to use. There's a learning curve with any new camera and any new lens. So, I have years (I hope) ahead of me to extract the quitessential potential of that camera and my new lenses.

Still, though, the image quality of the 5DMKII is not what the 1DsMKII was. There was something special about that camera, hard to define.

In conclusion, what I'm basically saying, is that megapixels mean nothing. The best camera I ever had was 16 MP. The Rebel with its 8 (or was it 10) MP was a lot of fun. The 7D with its abundance of megapixels was a dud. While the 5DII, also with an abundance of mwgapixels is fine, bit still not better than my 1DsMKII.

I think that Canon is going in the right direction with the 1Dx. Intelligence prevails over stupid marketing.

Thank you for reading.
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I have a DsII and a DsIII, I also have a 550D. The colours on the 550D fall well short of the FF. My brother has a 7D and 5DmkII, he says the same about the 7D. I don't think the colour range is those cropped sensor cameras is as much as the FF. I still use my 550D when I want my 200mm lens to be a 320mm and I get good results. The results are thin compared to my other cameras all the same.

Kevin.
 
ihv said:
Michel Savage said:
I think that Canon is going in the right direction with the 1Dx. Intelligence prevails over stupid marketing.
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There is nothing bad really about more megapixels if they do offer added value.

The issue as I see it is that Canon could have made the 1D Mk4 what the 1Dx is today, 2 years ago.

Today, the 18mp@FF is somewhat yesterday. And it is even not out.

There is always a trick with Canon, don't you think they left a lot of users confused? What about reach? What about a big number of megapixels? Did they lie about the crop as the truth seems suddenly opposite? If the cameras merged, why not even a little step towards the former 1ds users, instead they chose to increase the frame rate, out of blue? Why is the new flagship missing 60fps? Why so many questions with Canon?

The true innovation seems to be in the mirrorless segment. I never thought myself that at one point I could be truly looking away from SLR-s, the monsters which theoretically have all the capabilities to shine in every respect, but in fact look less and less attractive at their price points and features.
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I would suggest to stop looking for on paper spec, bells and whistles and look at the quality of produced images, if you think the little mirrorless things produce quality as good and in as many situations, then mirrorless is for you. I don't see it myself.

Kevin.
 
Assuming there is a 5d3 with the high meg and even if it had new 61 point focus, it sure wouldnt shoot over say 5 fps or have the low noise high iso the 1dX will surley have. How would it leave it in the dust for its intened use (sports/fast action). It wouldnt, it would kick its but for say landscape but thats what it would be for.

Anyone who wants to shoot fast action sports,wildlife,PJ, or needs extreme high iso would buy a 1dX over a high meg 5d3 even if equipped with top of the line focus which by the way IT SHOULD if its essentually replacing 1ds line just like nikons upcoming D800 assuming rumors are correct and D700 allready has 51 point focus system.
CampyOne said:
Seems like the 5DIII you describe would leave the 1Dx in its dust. And it's going to cost some $3,000 - $4,000 less than the 1Dx? So who's that leave to buy the 1Dx, a relative handful of sports photographers? If that's the case then Canon has wasted a whole lot of time and money on the 1Dx.
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CampyOne said:
Seems like the 5DIII you describe would leave the 1Dx in its dust. And it's going to cost some $3,000 - $4,000 less than the 1Dx? So who's that leave to buy the 1Dx, a relative handful of sports photographers? If that's the case then Canon has wasted a whole lot of time and money on the 1Dx.
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it won't have the sealing, 100% VF, and 6.3fps instead of the min 8 that sports guys like nevermind 12-14fps, slightly longer mirror black out, maybe 1D4 AF which won't match (we hope heh) at all the new 1DX AF system

what else are they going to do? 18MP and 4fps and old 5D AF again or even just 7D AF and go against a 36MP, 6fps, top AF D800?
 
in order to be a studio camera canon should lift the restrictions of the consumer 20D body on steroids which is the 5D/5DII, and in particular:
a reliable AF with tighter tolerances , all the sensors working.
voice memos
choice to disable the big wheel from compensate
without it will stay a consumer camera.
 
What is causing the confusion is that Canon did indicate that a 1DsIV is not forthcoming, but they did not comment on another high resolution body. I think it is obvious that a high resolution camera will be forthcoming, but Canon never implies or hints an upcoming product that is not officially released. Forum members have been improperly interpreting this omission as "18mp is the end of the line". Of course Canon will develop another high resolution body, it just will not be a 1D style body.

The 5DII sold so well and the 1DsIII sold so poorly they figured there was no longer the market to support another 1Ds body as the low end competition (like Sony's 24 MP A77/NEX7, $2000-$1300) will force them to introduce a lower cost, high resolution body. On the upper end the competition is now the 40mp Pentax 645D at $10k. They are just saying the 1Ds style body is no longer commercially viable, abut it is unimaginable that they won't have a viable product (or two) between these two price points.
Mike K
 
Canon has too many overlaps. The only way to split the lines is by adding a high res studio camera.

Thing is, you stick a decent AF system in the 5D2 and you have something almost as good as the 1Ds3 for 2k less.

The 7D is excellent, but not expensive enough IMO and too close to the xxD prices.

By merging the 1D lines they been able to increase the price making the gap between the 1Dx and the 5D2 greater allowing for a more expensive 5D3 entry price.

Thus, a higher 5D3 price, higher 7D2 entry.

My only question is, if they were to make the 5D3 a behemoth in the pixel dept. How would that effect video? I thought less was more in that area. Something which the 5D2 is known for? For me, this doesn't add up and it says to me there will be a new line for the pixel hungry studio lot with the 5D3 getting the 1Dx sensor with more functions aimed at the video side with the price level not being so great amount cheaper than the 1DX because damned if I'm going to buy a new camera to find the same sensor is in a model 2k lower in price.
 
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