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SHood said:
Why in the world would they create an extra step. I use the rear dial in P mode on my s90 all the time. It is the most used feature.
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You see, no matter what Canon do they cant please everyone.

I too use the wheel a lot on my S95 without issues, as do many others, but there have also been (a few?) people complaining about turning the wheel by accident and ruining their shots. So, we now have a fix for those people but an annoyance to those how didnt have a problem in the first place.

Not having looked at the S100 too hard yet, but will probably get one at some point, im happy that the wheel can be turned off, as when my son or girlfriend use my S95 they have no idea they have adjusted something that matters. At least this was i can disable the wheel and set the camera up for them to just snap away.

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dave_bass5 said:
You see, no matter what Canon do they cant please everyone.

I too use the wheel a lot on my S95 without issues, as do many others, but there have also been (a few?) people complaining about turning the wheel by accident and ruining their shots. So, we now have a fix for those people but an annoyance to those how didnt have a problem in the first place.
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+1. The loose rear wheel drives me nuts, sometimes it changes iso from auto to 80 and my shots come out blurry, have to keep an eye on it. I prefer the s100 solution...
 
I would agree except that the s100 wheel is no longer loose. At least allow use to change the default so that EV can be controlled like the s90/s95.
cadet stimpy said:
cadet stimpy said:
You see, no matter what Canon do they cant please everyone.

I too use the wheel a lot on my S95 without issues, as do many others, but there have also been (a few?) people complaining about turning the wheel by accident and ruining their shots. So, we now have a fix for those people but an annoyance to those how didnt have a problem in the first place.
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+1. The loose rear wheel drives me nuts, sometimes it changes iso from auto to 80 and my shots come out blurry, have to keep an eye on it. I prefer the s100 solution...
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SHood said:
I would agree except that the s100 wheel is no longer loose. At least allow use to change the default so that EV can be controlled like the s90/s95.
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Ive never found the wheel on my S90 and S95 to be that loose but anything that can be adjusted on the outside of the camera seems to attract my girlfriends fingers and thats not good (and my fault apparently :).

Ive not read the manual but are you saying the S100 wont allow you to turn it on in P mode? If so then yes, thats a bit silly. I was under the impression you could disable it if needed.

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I believe you now need to press the top of the dial before you can use it for EV adjustments. And I guess this needs to be done after every shot. Someone with an s100 could confirm this.
dave_bass5 said:
SHood said:
I would agree except that the s100 wheel is no longer loose. At least allow use to change the default so that EV can be controlled like the s90/s95.
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Ive never found the wheel on my S90 and S95 to be that loose but anything that can be adjusted on the outside of the camera seems to attract my girlfriends fingers and thats not good (and my fault apparently :).

Ive not read the manual but are you saying the S100 wont allow you to turn it on in P mode? If so then yes, thats a bit silly. I was under the impression you could disable it if needed.

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SHood said:
I believe you now need to press the top of the dial before you can use it for EV adjustments. And I guess this needs to be done after every shot. Someone with an s100 could confirm this.
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Ah right, just like you could on the S95 then. Well i guess i does mean it wont get adjusted by mistake but a pain that it doesn't stick (again, like the S95).

I assume all is working as expected in TV and AV mode.

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The EV adjustment and wheel stay active between shots until you hit the up button again.

D.
 
The loose wheel on my S90 is a slight pain but having handled the S95 many times I thought Canon had taken care of the problem. If they have gone one step even further it might be okay once you get used to it. For now I'd love the wheel of my S90 to be the same as that of a S95.

I am excited that eventually we will get to see some definitive comparison shots from the S100 to see if image quality is equal or better to the S90/95. I have seen those posted by Paul (and they were appreciated) but look forward to more daylight shooting.
 
Sound good.
drz said:
The EV adjustment and wheel stay active between shots until you hit the up button again.

D.
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It's true that the rear wheel doesn't do anything by default in the auto modes (Auto, P, scene modes) on the S100. Seems clear that this change was made in response to too many accidental changes of settings happening to unsuspecting users.

The "Ring Func" button just above the wheel can be used to bring up one of 20 different functions for the wheel to change, in addition to the function brought up by pressing the top of the wheel.

For example, I currently have my P mode set up as follows: Lens ring adjusts exposure compensation, Ring Func + wheel adjusts white balance, and pushing up on wheel allows wheel to then adjust ISO.

In M, Av, and Tv modes, the rear wheel does make adjustments by default, with no extra button pushes necessary - aperture (in M and Av modes) and shutter speed (in Tv mode).
 
Interesting as I would never consider P as an Auto mode.
redsquare said:
It's true that the rear wheel doesn't do anything by default in the auto modes (Auto, P, scene modes) on the S100. Seems clear that this change was made in response to too many accidental changes of settings happening to unsuspecting users.

The "Ring Func" button just above the wheel can be used to bring up one of 20 different functions for the wheel to change, in addition to the function brought up by pressing the top of the wheel.

For example, I currently have my P mode set up as follows: Lens ring adjusts exposure compensation, Ring Func + wheel adjusts white balance, and pushing up on wheel allows wheel to then adjust ISO.

In M, Av, and Tv modes, the rear wheel does make adjustments by default, with no extra button pushes necessary - aperture (in M and Av modes) and shutter speed (in Tv mode).
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SHood said:
Interesting as I would never consider P as an Auto mode.
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Why not? It's an auto-exposure mode. The camera's manual calls it "Program Auto Exposure". In P mode, the camera is choosing the shutter speed and aperture. You're nudging the exposure compensation, ISO, white balance, etc., but the camera is setting the exposure itself, automatically. It may not feel like Auto when you're making adjustments, but at its core, it is.

It's a darn handy feature, though, isn't it? To just capture most scenes, I rarely need to venture out of P mode. (Same goes for my Nikon D40.) It's versatile enough that every time I go into the manual modes, it feels like a luxury.
 
I had my shortcut set in P mode to change my aperture and shutter speeds when needed. So I never need to leave the Program mode as I always used AF.
redsquare said:
SHood said:
Interesting as I would never consider P as an Auto mode.
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Why not? It's an auto-exposure mode. The camera's manual calls it "Program Auto Exposure". In P mode, the camera is choosing the shutter speed and aperture. You're nudging the exposure compensation, ISO, white balance, etc., but the camera is setting the exposure itself, automatically. It may not feel like Auto when you're making adjustments, but at its core, it is.

It's a darn handy feature, though, isn't it? To just capture most scenes, I rarely need to venture out of P mode. (Same goes for my Nikon D40.) It's versatile enough that every time I go into the manual modes, it feels like a luxury.
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SHood said:
I had my shortcut set in P mode to change my aperture and shutter speeds when needed. So I never need to leave the Program mode as I always used AF.
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Where are those shortcuts to aperture and shutter speed available? I don't see them in the custom shortcut menus.
 
I haven't changed my shortcut button in 2 years but I believe it is called AEL. When set to AEL just press the shortcut and a grid will pop up allowing you to change the aperture/shutter speed (using the rear dial) based on your current ISO.
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SHood said:
I had my shortcut set in P mode to change my aperture and shutter speeds when needed. So I never need to leave the Program mode as I always used AF.
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Where are those shortcuts to aperture and shutter speed available? I don't see them in the custom shortcut menus.
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SHood said:
I haven't changed my shortcut button in 2 years but I believe it is called AEL. When set to AEL just press the shortcut and a grid will pop up allowing you to change the aperture/shutter speed (using the rear dial) based on your current ISO.
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Ah, thanks. What AEL seems to do is allow you to choose from a list of preset combinations of aperture & shutter speed. It looks like they're all equivalent exposures, just allowing you to favor different aperture or shutter values to get there. But it still looks like a list of automatic settings chosen by the camera (you'll notice the combinations of available values change by lighting conditions) as opposed to a truly manual control. Still useful, though, for controlling the method the camera uses to arrive at the exposure it chooses.
 
technic said:
PaulRivers said:
According to the manual, the s100 can focus to 5cm in normal mode and to 3cam in macro mode. In a quick test I just did this appears to be the case.
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more important: does the macro mode just work at the widest setting, or can you use macro with tele focal length as well?
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I'm not 100% sure what you mean.

I can zoom in and also turn on the macro mode and it focuses - however, the distance from the camera to the object has to be longer, at max zoom if the camera is physically less than a foot away and also zoomed in all the way it won't focus (it will try but fail). I mean I'm guestimating, but you can't zoom in optically all the way, hold the camera 5cm from your target and get it to focus, no.

According to the manual focusing guide at full zoom it cannot focus closer than...about 30cm or so I would guess based on the guide (the thing that pops up when you try to manually focus).
 
SHood said:
I believe you now need to press the top of the dial before you can use it for EV adjustments. And I guess this needs to be done after every shot. Someone with an s100 could confirm this.
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You need to do it once per "mode", or per power on/off.

So you press up and adjust the exp comp. Then you take a picture. Turning the wheel will still adjust the exposure comp. Take another picture. Turning the wheel will still adjust the exposure comp - etc.

But if you change mode, like from P to Shutter Priority, you have to press Up again to get exposure compensation back. If you turn off the camera then turn it on again you also have to press us to adjust the exposure comp.
 
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technic said:
PaulRivers said:
According to the manual, the s100 can focus to 5cm in normal mode and to 3cam in macro mode. In a quick test I just did this appears to be the case.
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more important: does the macro mode just work at the widest setting, or can you use macro with tele focal length as well?
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I'm not 100% sure what you mean.
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you answered part of my question already: some camera's are locked in WA mode for 'macro', apparently the S100 isn't. It is to be expected that the minimum focus distance is bigger if you zoom in, I was wondering if you can get the same magnification at tele setting as with WA setting (how big does the object get on the LCD) ? Because for macro, a longer focal length (and larger subject distance) often has advantages.
 
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