What is going on?

Depressing you say...?

THIS IS SPAAAAAAAAAAAARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(sorry, couldn't resist)
This used to be a place where I browse for info regarding my SD14 and DP1. Now it's a pool of negativity.

This is quite depressing.
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'It could be worse but I dont know how'

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All cameras ares 'sometimes cameras'. Sometimes the memory card is full, sometimes the buffer is full, sometimes the burst speed is too slow or fast, . . .

All photographers are 'sometimes photographers' as well. Sometimes we have the right combination of equipment ready when needed and sometimes we don't. Sometimes we see a great shot and sometimes we don't. More frustrating yet, sometimes we see a great shot, but miss it due to our own fault or the equipment's. (Wrong camera lens mounted, wrong camera settings, wrong camera.)

We know that all photo equipment has its own strengths and weaknesses, regardless if it was made by Nikon, Canon, Sigma, etc. A really good photographer can not only take advantage of equipment strengths, but overcome their weaknesses as well.

I suggest that some of you might benefit from spending more time learning how to use your equipment to its full capabilities and less time complaining it and the company that made it.

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William Wilgus
 
I wasn't talking about SPP just SD1.
As long as there is no support for SD1 elsewhere, SPP is a part of SD1.
As for want-a-be's, I was one too, but the SD1 is out of my league, so I just forget about it & enjoy the SD15 & the beautiful images I get, that I couldn't get before with other cameras.
Not a bad choice and advice. You are not the first to give it, but it can be repeated. But just like complaints ... advices repeated too often get tedious.
And as far as disrespectful goes, the treatment directed towards Sigma & management is extremely disrespectful. Yes they have been told of the disappointment of past users, so now get over it & move on. Harping & continual venting of anger is not making things better, perhaps even worse.
Who are they? And who are you to judge?

OK - I might understand that you get irritated by things you read here and want to tell the posters to stop the nonsense. But sometimes its better to just think it ... and at least take one good nights sleep before writing it. It did not come out perfect IMHO.

Moreover - I think you are (mostly) wrong. There are just some few that takes the complaints too far. Most that I have read have had a reasonable motivation for being written - either it as a new view or the one writing it have not read all that has been said or just needs to get something out. Whatever.

And right now that hilarious wooden thing triggered lots of people to want to write something. Thats hardly strange - is it? I mean - we are here for communicating. So lots of post on that topic shows that the forum is not dead. Is that not a good sign?

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That would be tooooooooooo eeeeeeeasy for some. They might even crack a smile at what they get ;-)
Col
 
Shxt happens &
Magic happens too ;-)

I'd rather my energy focused on the magic & leave the shxt for others to focus on, even if they want to try & polish it. Maybe they should lick it, it will look shiny then. XD

As far as "But just like complaints ... advice repeated too often get tedious ".
Much more pleasant, so I guess we could get used to it !

Col
 
All cameras ares 'sometimes cameras'. Sometimes the memory card is full, sometimes the buffer is full, sometimes the burst speed is too slow or fast, . . .

All photographers are 'sometimes photographers' as well. Sometimes we have the right combination of equipment ready when needed and sometimes we don't. Sometimes we see a great shot and sometimes we don't. More frustrating yet, sometimes we see a great shot, but miss it due to our own fault or the equipment's. (Wrong camera lens mounted, wrong camera settings, wrong camera.)
Really good statement....
We know that all photo equipment has its own strengths and weaknesses, regardless if it was made by Nikon, Canon, Sigma, etc. A really good photographer can not only take advantage of equipment strengths, but overcome their weaknesses as well.
True to some extent...
I suggest that some of you might benefit from spending more time learning how to use your equipment to its full capabilities and less time complaining it and the company that made it.
...some of us already know the weakness that some companies bring in their cameras, so they are much worse options than others....buffer and shot-to-shot times being a joke when we talk about sigma (SD1), so theres is no way on learning how to overcome this, other than not buying....and yet, we do have to compare it with other cameras....
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William Wilgus
 
All cameras ares 'sometimes cameras'. Sometimes the memory card is full, sometimes the buffer is full, sometimes the burst speed is too slow or fast, . . .
I guess that makes Sigma's 'Usually' or 'Normally' cameras! Usually memory card are full - coz they're RAW cameras...usually the buffer is full....and the burst speed normally too slow....with mine anyway! ;-)
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I suggest that some of you might benefit from spending more time learning how to use your equipment to its full capabilities and less time complaining it and the company that made it.
I think due to the verbal lashings from the zealots here, many of us have spent time on how to use the equipment, and it just reinforces the need to complain about the products.
...some of us already know the weakness that some companies bring in their cameras, so they are much worse options than others....buffer and shot-to-shot times being a joke when we talk about sigma (SD1), so theres is no way on learning how to overcome this, other than not buying....and yet, we do have to compare it with other cameras....
There is a real issue of trying to get your hands on an SD1 to try in London. I've failed to find any in stock...so I can only comment on it's specs and price. I suppose Sigma would hope we'd buy without trying it ;) or SPP -there has to be something wrong when Rytterfalk complains about it!
 
This used to be a place where I browse for info regarding my SD14 and DP1. Now it's a pool of negativity.

This is quite depressing.
Now we're back on SD1 speculation and all that stuff, not exactly related to the initial post is it ?

We've had a few 'Big Jokers' and 'Satirical Comics', a bit of objectionable stuff, a load of 'Sigma Corporation Strategists' and some constructive contributors. All in all a fair mix.

For myself, I'll stick to what is real and what I can pick up from the 'Teckies' even if it takes me a while to understand it.

Have a nice day,

Cheers.
 
Have to agree . . .

Anyway probably better to put this thread to bed, but to summarize my feelings, I use sigma for the sensor, not the camera. I'm just tired of losing some (not all) shots in low light and social situations.

Why do I lose shots in social situations? I'm not asking for 5 or more frames a second, or some craziness, I'm asking for 1 frame a second for a five seconds, and then again in three seconds, repeatedly. That doesn't seem like too much.

As for the low light, if I can brace the camera, and the subject isn't moving, no problem. I get a lovely shot. But hand held, slightly moving, illumination of a daylight church interior or streetlit scene - the shot will not hold up.

It's not wrong to point that out to Sigma (thought they are well aware of it), while acknowledging the comments by informed Sigma forum members regarding the difficulty of processing foveon output.

Most (thought not all) of the very gifted members of this forum do not dwell on this sort of subject matter, so they have less to be dissatisfied about.

On the positive side, I particularly like foveon output for the way the images/colors stand up to post processing.

In short I am looking for a more responsive camera with foveon quality output at a decent price. I would love it in the DP series size, even with fixed lens. The 4.6 mp resolution is just ok, but I would like higher. I haven't found one so far, but I'm looking. Fine with me it it's a Sigma.
 
True to a degree beyond my expertise. I just wonder if Canon-Nikon budgets were used to attack the problem what the result would be.
 
Far better than what is right now but the problem is that the problems are not being attacked or focused on etc...
True to a degree beyond my expertise. I just wonder if Canon-Nikon budgets were used to attack the problem what the result would be.
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'It could be worse but I dont know how'

'It doesnt matter that you are sitting on the right track, you're still going to get hit by train!'
 

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