What is going on?

I use the "Ignore User" checkbox and it cleans the forum right up!
Now I wonder - can you see my post?

You do whatever you want of course - but the intention with the ignore button is not to clean up the forum - but rather to block someone once in a blue moon that you find very, very annoying.

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This is one of the most offensive posts I ever read.

Please, try to get over it. Leave Sigma behind and leave this forum behind.

Honestly, you are doing harm to yourself. You are the one to suffer from your deep feelings of frustration.

I can't understand why some others even encourage you to go on with your campaign. The kind of feelings you show here never made the earth a better place. Au contraire...

Sorry for saying this so openly.

Frank
This used to be a place where I browse for info regarding my SD14 and DP1. Now it's a pool of negativity.

This is quite depressing.
I have got to totally agree with you on this one, it really is quite sad and unfortunately reflects the attitude of a very large number of contributors. I don't know if there is a geographical influence on this ?
Have you been drinking too much whisky, whisky? Sober up, and you'll get the big picture!
Why don't they stop trying to run SIGMA's business and get back to photography ?? Most of them would appear able to benefit if they were to change from Sigma to some other brand and see if that were any better. Personally as far as Sigma UK is concerned, their service and support is superb.
None of us here are Sigma fans...Hovever we are all Foveon X3 sensor fans.

The problem is the Foveon X3 sensor is now in the hands of a bunch of bungling, drug crazed, radiation riddled, incompetants, who quite frankly could'nt run a p!ss up in a brewery!

Sure we could switch brands but then we would miss the unique image quality we enjoy from our Foveon X3 sensor endowed cameras. For years now, we have all waited very patiently for a worthy upgrade path from our current cameras.
Then finally, The SD1 was announced, and all our prayers seems to be awnsered!

We were even told what the likely price would be way ahead of its release (around the same price as the Canon 7D), and many Sigma users started ferreting their money away for the big day when the SD1 would finally be available.

So imagine the initial shock when it was realeased at around 10 times that "likely" price!

Widespread shock turned to widespread dis-belief...Surely the price was a misprint?...Maybe they put the decimal point in the wrong place?...Maybe they added an extra numeral by mistake?...Everyone was searching for confirmation of what seemed an utterly perposterous price.

However, when that confirmation came, all that dis-belief quickly turned to anger because we knew that Sigma, the company we all trusted, had deliberately lied to us about the price and then they had the sheer gall to say they did'nt want the likes of us using it, only extremely weathly pro photographers...The final slap in the face came when Kazuto Yamaki, COO of Sigma, tweeted that he thought the SD1 was worth the utterly rediculous price.

Sigma were not our friends anymore, they were our mortal enemies, who just so happened to be keeping our beloved Foveon hostage. Only a tiny handfull of individuals here have large enough bank balance to be able to "pay the ransom" and buy an SD1...For most of us though, that door has been slammed painfully in our faces...You dont need to be an Elephant to have a long memory and rest assured, Sigma's stinking treachery will not be quickly forgotten!
 
Thanks Frank
As I have said elsewhere too.

Do you call Rolls Royce idiots & complain because they have a 'motor car' that is 100 times the price as the one you drive ? & has wood panelling options ??
Sigma bashers get a life !
Deal with it.
If you can't afford it, leave it on the shelf & move along............
Don't let 'Sigma hatred' occupy empty space in your brains 'rent free' !
Fill the empty space with something pleasant.
Col
 
Do you call Rolls Royce idiots & complain because they have a 'motor car' that is 100 times the price as the one you drive ? & has wood panelling options ??
There is a difference. Rolls Royce has never ever pretended to be anything else than a rich mans toy.

The Foveon was a kind of potentially better mouse trap. And the third party lens manufacturer Sigma, known for making reasonable priced stuff, was a kind of guarantee that if the Foveon technology succeeded, the readers of this forum could afford it.

Therefore everyone believed Sigma when they said 7D pricing. Maybe not fully - maybe not $1200, but rather $1800, knowing the history of pricing for Sigma cameras.

Thats the background.
Sigma bashers get a life !
Deal with it.
If you can't afford it, leave it on the shelf & move along............
Don't let 'Sigma hatred' occupy empty space in your brains 'rent free' !
Fill the empty space with something pleasant.
Much truth in that though.

But --- reread the Wooden Sigma posts. They are full of humour, even if sometimes black irony. Just a few hints of hatred.

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It is Sigma's prerogative to change tacks too.
Perhaps they are now a rich mans toy too.
I haven't seen any complaints from SD1 owners ? Only the want-to-be's !

Yes I too understand wooden spoons & wooden cameras & wooden spoons for wooden cameras ;-)
Col
 
It is Sigma's prerogative to change tacks too.
its impossible to change your history ( cheap lenses and little camera history) with one product. Specially if your camera has lots of old problems...
Perhaps they are now a rich mans toy too.
The SD1 is..for sure...
I haven't seen any complaints from SD1 owners ? Only the want-to-be's !
Is rare to even see someone who bought the camera...of course there are complaints from previous sigma owners...they expected the camera at the price previously told....as for everyone else...they don't even care about sigma and the SD1...they carea bout the nex7, nikon d800 and so on....
Yes I too understand wooden spoons & wooden cameras & wooden spoons for wooden cameras ;-)
Col
 
Thanks Frank
As I have said elsewhere too.

Do you call Rolls Royce idiots & complain because they have a 'motor car' that is 100 times the price as the one you drive ? & has wood panelling options ??
Sigma bashers get a life !
Deal with it.
If you can't afford it, leave it on the shelf & move along............
Don't let 'Sigma hatred' occupy empty space in your brains 'rent free' !
Fill the empty space with something pleasant.
Col
There is no hatred towards Sigma here, just a lot of extremely good humoured sarcasm, designed to make them see the error of their ways so that they change things for the better before its too late for them to get out of the commercial quicksand they are currently sinking into. Perhaps you dont get sarcasm, but its typically indemic to the British sense of humour, so get over it!. ;)

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colinbm wrote:
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I haven't seen any complaints from SD1 owners ? Only the want-to-be's !
Then you have not looked close enough.

The lousy SPP and lack of support from other programs than SPP is two complaints I have read from owners and/or beta testers. Before all SD1 owners started to be dead quiet there was some negative info also. But now - no complaints and no praise and no info - just dead quiet.

And calling someone that was made believe that they could buy the SD1 when it arrived, before it was priced high up in the sky, for "want-to-be" is disrespectful. You might think the situation is funny, but I assure you - they dont.

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colinbm wrote:
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I haven't seen any complaints from SD1 owners ? Only the want-to-be's !
Then you have not looked close enough.

The lousy SPP and lack of support from other programs than SPP is two complaints I have read from owners and/or beta testers. Before all SD1 owners started to be dead quiet there was some negative info also. But now - no complaints and no praise and no info - just dead quiet.

And calling someone that was made believe that they could buy the SD1 when it arrived, before it was priced high up in the sky, for "want-to-be" is disrespectful. You might think the situation is funny, but I assure you - they dont.

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I wasn't talking about SPP just SD1.

And as far as disrespectful goes, the treatment directed towards Sigma & management is extremely disrespectful. Yes they have been told of the disappointment of past users, so now get over it & move on. Harping & continual venting of anger is not making things better, perhaps even worse.

As for want-a-be's, I was one too, but the SD1 is out of my league, so I just forget about it & enjoy the SD15 & the beautiful images I get, that I couldn't get before with other cameras.
Col
 
This is one of the most offensive posts I ever read.

Please, try to get over it. Leave Sigma behind and leave this forum behind.

Honestly, you are doing harm to yourself. You are the one to suffer from your deep feelings of frustration.

I can't understand why some others even encourage you to go on with your campaign. The kind of feelings you show here never made the earth a better place. Au contraire...

Sorry for saying this so openly.

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Hmm.

There have been many comments offered to management ranging from innocent to rational to incredulous to angry, - in short, Sigma had it's choice of comments to respond to regarding certain common complaints. However, they didn't seem to be honestly forthcoming regarding any of them. Meanwhile we in our jobs have to explain our performance to clients, and it's not considered disrespectful of them to ask. I don't think raising the issue of respect helps Sigma. Continual venting (of anger or satisfaction) is exactly the feedback industry requires to improve their product.

And here is the point: you may think the anger is about price - no, it's about price/ performance. People rely on their cameras to either make a living or capture is picture that is important to them. And Sigmas are "sometimes" cameras: if you can take 5 shots of a scene and if it's not low ambient light, you will get probably one extraordinary shot. But it should be possible to get a camera with a better shooting average from this sensor. A "sometimes" camera is unfortunately exactly in that place that behaviorist Skinner said keeps rats pressing the lever - an uncertain reward keeps them pressing more often.

Disclosure, I have an SD 14, Dp2 and Dp1s. Lovely shots from all of them. I use silkypix and am able to to incredible things with the pics. But if I had to shoot a moving subject at a certain time and a certain place, I might bring a backup. I think one of the members of this forum has a sign-off to the effect of photography being about capturing or preserving a moment. Well, with a Sigma, your camera has certainly has it's say as to what that moment is.
 
Well, with a Sigma, your camera has certainly has it's say as to what that moment is.
Like every other camera, the Sigma doesn't do any thing until someone press the button. this whole "capture the moment" thing doesn't depend on the camera at all. it's all on the photographer. Camera doesn't matter, it's just tool someone choose to use.

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  • no fault of my own! The previous was a quote and this was to follow.
Hmm.

There have been many comments offered to management ranging from innocent to rational to incredulous to angry, - in short, Sigma had it's choice of comments to respond to regarding certain common complaints. However, they didn't seem to be honestly forthcoming regarding any of them. Meanwhile we in our jobs have to explain our performance to clients, and it's not considered disrespectful of them to ask. I don't think raising the issue of respect helps Sigma. Continual venting (of anger or satisfaction) is exactly the feedback industry requires to improve their product.

And here is the point: you may think the anger is about price - no, it's about price/ performance. People rely on their cameras to either make a living or capture is picture that is important to them. And Sigmas are "sometimes" cameras: if you can take 5 shots of a scene and if it's not low ambient light, you will get probably one extraordinary shot. But it should be possible to get a camera with a better shooting average from this sensor. A "sometimes" camera is unfortunately exactly in that place that behaviorist Skinner said keeps rats pressing the lever - an uncertain reward keeps them pressing more often.

Disclosure, I have an SD 14, Dp2 and Dp1s. Lovely shots from all of them. I use silkypix and am able to to incredible things with the pics. But if I had to shoot a moving subject at a certain time and a certain place, I might bring a backup. I think one of the members of this forum has a sign-off to the effect of photography being about capturing or preserving a moment. Well, with a Sigma, your camera has certainly has it's say as to what that moment is.
 
Camera doesn't matter, it's just tool someone choose to use.

What garbage.
 
You don't need an account to browse the forum, only to post.
If you used to browse this forum, what happened to your old account ?
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