I would like to defect to the Nikon forum. Being a ex Sony 505V owner I decided to send it back. Due to the problems of the area around the base of the lens cracking, and also the small hinge that holds the sliding door on top of the camera breaking. I am starting to read other accounts of the problem occuring with other 505v owners. So I ask in good faith, can I have Nikon asylum : )
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Ex-Sony 505V owner seeks asylum in Nikon forum
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Peter iNova
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Actually, over here we only talk about the problems we're having doing this and that with our Nikon cameras ;-]I would like to defect to the Nikon forum. Being a ex Sony 505V owner I
decided to send it back. Due to the problems of the area around the base
of the lens cracking, and also the small hinge that holds the sliding
door on top of the camera breaking. I am starting to read other accounts
of the problem occuring with other 505v owners. So I ask in good faith,
can I have Nikon asylum : )
While it's sad that none of these cameras are perfect, therapy sessions over here are not encouraged to be A vs. B rants.
Except in this format:
"With the (fill in the blank model) you can't get a picture that has (this or that set of qualities or restrictions)."
Example:
"With the 950 you can't get the camera to make a 35 second exposure..." Of course, we really want to see the OTHER brand in the first part of that sentence but knowing where the edges are in our gear is important so we can drive them without running off the road.
A lot of people browsing here and in all the other forums are looking for guidance so they can make an initial purchase. Better for us all to not look like a bunch of ostentatious ditto heads. Not that you were. I'm just saying...
So what do you think is behind the 505V's "issues"? Design? Manufacturing or materials? didn't make a good ball peen hammer?
-iNova
I found the material to be questionable, tiny little plastic hinges that hold the access doors in place, shutter lag(although others claim that all the dig cams speed are the same, I can say the Fuji 4700z I owned was much quicker). If the camera was metal and had a little bit more manual control, I'd probably be back in my home land and avoid having to defect here.
Actually, over here we only talk about the problems we're having doingI would like to defect to the Nikon forum. Being a ex Sony 505V owner I
decided to send it back. Due to the problems of the area around the base
of the lens cracking, and also the small hinge that holds the sliding
door on top of the camera breaking. I am starting to read other accounts
of the problem occuring with other 505v owners. So I ask in good faith,
can I have Nikon asylum : )
this and that with our Nikon cameras ;-]
While it's sad that none of these cameras are perfect, therapy sessions
over here are not encouraged to be A vs. B rants.
Except in this format:
"With the (fill in the blank model) you can't get a picture that has
(this or that set of qualities or restrictions)."
Example:
"With the 950 you can't get the camera to make a 35 second exposure..."
Of course, we really want to see the OTHER brand in the first part of
that sentence but knowing where the edges are in our gear is important so
we can drive them without running off the road.
A lot of people browsing here and in all the other forums are looking for
guidance so they can make an initial purchase. Better for us all to not
look like a bunch of ostentatious ditto heads. Not that you were. I'm
just saying...
So what do you think is behind the 505V's "issues"? Design? Manufacturing
or materials? didn't make a good ball peen hammer?
-iNova
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Eric
Guest
Welcome to the fanatics group. According to this Forum most others are crap. I wouldn't go that far, having just had a 505 for 5 weeks. Lovely results but I WAS worried of this crack thing and super as the pics were I really didn't feel 'at home' with it - so I did a trade-back and added a 990 to my old faithful (still have) 950. OK so there are things to argue about but in spite of what is said ALL digis are very poor on LCD in bright light (I found the 505 not good enough for MY liking in spite of the so-called betterness. And who can match that S-U-P-E-R-B macro on the CPs. Welcome indeed.I would like to defect to the Nikon forum. Being a ex Sony 505V owner I
decided to send it back. Due to the problems of the area around the base
of the lens cracking, and also the small hinge that holds the sliding
door on top of the camera breaking. I am starting to read other accounts
of the problem occuring with other 505v owners. So I ask in good faith,
can I have Nikon asylum : )
Eric
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Lin Evans
Guest
Though in all fairness to both manufacturers, we should not that you didn't actually experience the breaks in the hinge and cracks around the lens problems which were experienced by a few early users of the F505 - this was more a case of "preventive maintenance" wasn't it?I found the material to be questionable, tiny little plastic hinges that
hold the access doors in place, shutter lag(although others claim that
all the dig cams speed are the same, I can say the Fuji 4700z I owned was
much quicker). If the camera was metal and had a little bit more manual
control, I'd probably be back in my home land and avoid having to defect
here.
Lin
Deward Hastings
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Don't think of it as "defecting", think of it as "expanding your horizons" (all my film cameras are Olympus).and avoid having to defect
If you whine enough about your Nikon you will always be welcome here . . . (and there is really no reason to even use the "S" word unless you're complaining about the CCD . . .). It's about taking pictures (not "my brand is better than your brand), isn't it ? ? ?
Though in all fairness to both manufacturers, we should not that youI found the material to be questionable, tiny little plastic hinges that
hold the access doors in place, shutter lag(although others claim that
all the dig cams speed are the same, I can say the Fuji 4700z I owned was
much quicker). If the camera was metal and had a little bit more manual
control, I'd probably be back in my home land and avoid having to defect
here.
didn't actually experience the breaks in the hinge and cracks around the
lens problems which were experienced by a few early users of the F505 -
this was more a case of "preventive maintenance" wasn't it?
Correction, I have indeed experienced a catastrophic systems failure on the hinge that holds the top access door. It had nothing to do with PMS(preventive maintenance scheduling)
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Lin Evans
Guest
Sorry, I thought from your last post on the Sony forum:Though in all fairness to both manufacturers, we should note that youI found the material to be questionable, tiny little plastic hinges that
hold the access doors in place, shutter lag(although others claim that
all the dig cams speed are the same, I can say the Fuji 4700z I owned was
much quicker). If the camera was metal and had a little bit more manual
control, I'd probably be back in my home land and avoid having to defect
here.
didn't actually experience the breaks in the hinge and cracks around the
lens problems which were experienced by a few early users of the F505 -
this was more a case of "preventive maintenance" wasn't it?Correction, I have indeed experienced a catastrophic systems failure on the hinge that holds the top access door. It had nothing to do with PMS(preventive maintenance scheduling)
"With no offense Ulysses the camera seemed very plastic-ee. I was disappointed by only being able to control the shutter or app, and not being able to adjust both independently of each other. I also noticed the shadow of the lens doing macro work, that you mentioned in a previous post. Hell, Ulsses I'm still young I want to play the field a little bit.....if you know what I mean."
that your were just bailing out before the problem occurred. When you get the 990, be VERY careful when you insert your CF card that you fold over the eject lever before closing the door. Similar problems have occurred with this feature. The focus mechanism in the 990 is a little fragile - won't take much of a lick if you drop it. I just paid a bundle to get one of my 950's repaired after a similar problem.
You should be pretty happy with the 990. It has myriad features missing from , Sony (like an optical viewfinder) but trails it a bit in the overall sharpness race. Nothing that can't be compensated for in PhotoShop, and the great macro and telephoto adaptability are a genuine plus. You will probably need to get an Xtend-a-View to use the LCD in bright light - not quite as easy to read as your old one.
Lin
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Frances
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Welcome aboard to the greatest forum for Digital Nikon!
aloha!
Frances.
aloha!
Frances.
Frank B #22373
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Let's not start another "sharpness war". Based upon reviews it is not at all clear
that the 990 trails the 505v a bit in overall sharpness. Let's just say they are
equal.
Image Resource found the 990 had slightly better horizontal resolution and was
the same as the 505v in horizontal resolution.
C'T, the German Magazine, reportedly measured the MTF (Modular Transfer
Function higher number equals better) of the 990 as higher than the 505v.
Digital Photography Review measured the vertical and horizontal LPH as slightly
better in the 505v; the vertical extinction resolution as equal and the
vertical extinction resolution as better in the 990.
Frank B
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that the 990 trails the 505v a bit in overall sharpness. Let's just say they are
equal.
Image Resource found the 990 had slightly better horizontal resolution and was
the same as the 505v in horizontal resolution.
C'T, the German Magazine, reportedly measured the MTF (Modular Transfer
Function higher number equals better) of the 990 as higher than the 505v.
Digital Photography Review measured the vertical and horizontal LPH as slightly
better in the 505v; the vertical extinction resolution as equal and the
vertical extinction resolution as better in the 990.
Frank B
...
You should be pretty happy with the 990. It has myriad features missing
from , Sony (like an optical viewfinder) but trails it a bit in the
overall sharpness race. Nothing that can't be compensated for in
PhotoShop, and the great macro and telephoto adaptability are a genuine
plus. You will probably need to get an Xtend-a-View to use the LCD in
bright light - not quite as easy to read as your old one.
Lin
Michael F.
Leading Member
It'll be interesting to see how widespread the problem. We are still using our "old" (last October) Sony F505 without any defect problems (altho we've ordered a replacement which I'll pick up in the USA next week). It still is being carted all around China into some fairly rough areas, physically speaking, with great results.
Mike
Mike
I would like to defect to the Nikon forum. Being a ex Sony 505V owner I
decided to send it back. Due to the problems of the area around the base
of the lens cracking, and also the small hinge that holds the sliding
door on top of the camera breaking. I am starting to read other accounts
of the problem occuring with other 505v owners. So I ask in good faith,
can I have Nikon asylum : )
Michael F.
Leading Member
Um, . . . I don't think that little door is exactly a part of any critical system on that Sony. It mainly functions to keep dirt out of the USB and some other connector doesn't it?
From an engineering point of view (or a quality control point of view), a critical system failure is something like a failure of the lens (can not focus or cracks), the LCD craps out, the CCD won't read light, memory sticks can not access info from the CCD.
Maybe I just don't understand what part of the camera system fails to work because that access door. I don't mean to be unsympathetics - I'd be pretty pissed if that happened on one of our cameras - but Iwouldn't call it a critical systems failure.
Mike
From an engineering point of view (or a quality control point of view), a critical system failure is something like a failure of the lens (can not focus or cracks), the LCD craps out, the CCD won't read light, memory sticks can not access info from the CCD.
Maybe I just don't understand what part of the camera system fails to work because that access door. I don't mean to be unsympathetics - I'd be pretty pissed if that happened on one of our cameras - but Iwouldn't call it a critical systems failure.
Mike
Correction, I have indeed experienced a catastrophic systems failure on the hinge that holds the top access door. It had nothing to do with PMS(preventive maintenance scheduling)
Spoken like a true 505v owner, however my friend, the wording is a matter of interpretation.Um, . . . I don't think that little door is exactly a part of any
critical system on that Sony. It mainly functions to keep dirt out of
the USB and some other connector doesn't it?
From an engineering point of view (or a quality control point of view), a
critical system failure is something like a failure of the lens (can not
focus or cracks), the LCD craps out, the CCD won't read light, memory
sticks can not access info from the CCD.
Maybe I just don't understand what part of the camera system fails to
work because that access door. I don't mean to be unsympathetics - I'd
be pretty pissed if that happened on one of our cameras - but Iwouldn't
call it a critical systems failure.
Mike
Correction, I have indeed experienced a catastrophic systems failure on the hinge that holds the top access door. It had nothing to do with PMS(preventive maintenance scheduling)
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Frances
Guest
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/search.asp?query=cracks&forum=1009
Mike
I would like to defect to the Nikon forum. Being a ex Sony 505V owner I
decided to send it back. Due to the problems of the area around the base
of the lens cracking, and also the small hinge that holds the sliding
door on top of the camera breaking. I am starting to read other accounts
of the problem occuring with other 505v owners. So I ask in good faith,
can I have Nikon asylum : )
Michael F.
Leading Member
Well, actually, JR, its spoken like a person with a PH.D. in quality management and many years consulting in the area of quality management and quality engineering. A CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE means the whole camera fails to be functional. That, apparently, is not what you describe. If someone at, say, Boeing, got all the existing planes of a given model grounded by what he/she called a catastrophic systems failure (like, having such a failure would cause a crash with loss of life) but it turned out to be a broken toilet door (unpleasant but survivable) they'd get fired.
The wording is not a matter of interpretation; it has a specific meaning. What you said is not what you seem to have meant. What you have experienced isn't nice and shouldn't happen. But a catastrophic systems failue it isn't.
As for my loyalties to Sony: I'm replacing our F505 because it doesn't do the job and, sometimes, is not useable. We're replacing it with a camera from another manufacturer. Maybe if I'd bought a Nikon 950 at the time we wouldn't be spending more money. But we didn't and have to replace the camera. Live and learn!
Mike
The wording is not a matter of interpretation; it has a specific meaning. What you said is not what you seem to have meant. What you have experienced isn't nice and shouldn't happen. But a catastrophic systems failue it isn't.
As for my loyalties to Sony: I'm replacing our F505 because it doesn't do the job and, sometimes, is not useable. We're replacing it with a camera from another manufacturer. Maybe if I'd bought a Nikon 950 at the time we wouldn't be spending more money. But we didn't and have to replace the camera. Live and learn!
Mike
Dr.Mike a PHD in engineering doesn't qualify you as an English professor.Well, actually, JR, its spoken like a person with a PH.D. in quality
management and many years consulting in the area of quality management
and quality engineering.
Noun FAILURE- a fracturing or giving way under stress
Adj. SYSTEM-A group of interacting mechanical or electrical components
In this case used as an Adj, however may also be used as a noun.
CATASTROPHIC-Of, relating to, or involving a catastrophe.
The original post refered to CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE as it relates only to the hinge, not the whole camera.
A CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE means the whole
What I said is infact what I meant, if you want to keep debating semanticscamera fails to be functional. That, apparently, is not what you
describe. If someone at, say, Boeing, got all the existing planes of a
given model grounded by what he/she called a catastrophic systems failure
(like, having such a failure would cause a crash with loss of life) but
it turned out to be a broken toilet door (unpleasant but survivable)
they'd get fired.
The wording is not a matter of interpretation; it has a specific meaning.
What you said is not what you seem to have meant.
(Semantics is the study of meanings in a language).Perhaps another media is in order via E-mail. And lets keep this forum focused on camera issues.
What you have
experienced isn't nice and shouldn't happen. But a catastrophic systems
failue it isn't.
As for my loyalties to Sony: I'm replacing our F505 because it doesn't do
the job and, sometimes, is not useable. We're replacing it with a camera
from another manufacturer. Maybe if I'd bought a Nikon 950 at the time
we wouldn't be spending more money. But we didn't and have to replace
the camera. Live and learn!
Mike
Michael F.
Leading Member
Garble the language all you want. Your hinge broke. You didn't have a catastrophic failure of any kind at all. I'm tempted to say something about buyer's remorse, raise questions about how all kinds of things can break in such a short time, but . . .
Enjoy your Nikon; its a great camera. Hopefully, you won't abuse it and it'll last at least a week.
I'm outta here
Enjoy your Nikon; its a great camera. Hopefully, you won't abuse it and it'll last at least a week.
I'm outta here
Dr.Mike a PHD in engineering doesn't qualify you as an English professor.Well, actually, JR, its spoken like a person with a PH.D. in quality
management and many years consulting in the area of quality management
and quality engineering.
Noun FAILURE- a fracturing or giving way under stress
Adj. SYSTEM-A group of interacting mechanical or electrical components
In this case used as an Adj, however may also be used as a noun.
CATASTROPHIC-Of, relating to, or involving a catastrophe.
The original post refered to CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE as it relates
only to the hinge, not the whole camera.
A CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE means the whole
What I said is infact what I meant, if you want to keep debating semanticscamera fails to be functional. That, apparently, is not what you
describe. If someone at, say, Boeing, got all the existing planes of a
given model grounded by what he/she called a catastrophic systems failure
(like, having such a failure would cause a crash with loss of life) but
it turned out to be a broken toilet door (unpleasant but survivable)
they'd get fired.
The wording is not a matter of interpretation; it has a specific meaning.
What you said is not what you seem to have meant.
(Semantics is the study of meanings in a language).Perhaps another media
is in order via E-mail. And lets keep this forum focused on camera issues.
What you have
experienced isn't nice and shouldn't happen. But a catastrophic systems
failue it isn't.
As for my loyalties to Sony: I'm replacing our F505 because it doesn't do
the job and, sometimes, is not useable. We're replacing it with a camera
from another manufacturer. Maybe if I'd bought a Nikon 950 at the time
we wouldn't be spending more money. But we didn't and have to replace
the camera. Live and learn!
Mike
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Lin Evans
Guest
:-(
: )
Mike F.- AKA The eternal optimist!Garble the language all you want. Your hinge broke. You didn't have a
catastrophic failure of any kind at all. I'm tempted to say something
about buyer's remorse, raise questions about how all kinds of things can
break in such a short time, but . . .
Enjoy your Nikon; its a great camera. Hopefully, you won't abuse it and
it'll last at least a week.
Stop back when you can't stay longer!I'm outta here
Dr.Mike a PHD in engineering doesn't qualify you as an English professor.Well, actually, JR, its spoken like a person with a PH.D. in quality
management and many years consulting in the area of quality management
and quality engineering.
Noun FAILURE- a fracturing or giving way under stress
Adj. SYSTEM-A group of interacting mechanical or electrical components
In this case used as an Adj, however may also be used as a noun.
CATASTROPHIC-Of, relating to, or involving a catastrophe.
The original post refered to CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE as it relates
only to the hinge, not the whole camera.
A CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE means the whole
What I said is infact what I meant, if you want to keep debating semanticscamera fails to be functional. That, apparently, is not what you
describe. If someone at, say, Boeing, got all the existing planes of a
given model grounded by what he/she called a catastrophic systems failure
(like, having such a failure would cause a crash with loss of life) but
it turned out to be a broken toilet door (unpleasant but survivable)
they'd get fired.
The wording is not a matter of interpretation; it has a specific meaning.
What you said is not what you seem to have meant.
(Semantics is the study of meanings in a language).Perhaps another media
is in order via E-mail. And lets keep this forum focused on camera issues.
What you have
experienced isn't nice and shouldn't happen. But a catastrophic systems
failue it isn't.
As for my loyalties to Sony: I'm replacing our F505 because it doesn't do
the job and, sometimes, is not useable. We're replacing it with a camera
from another manufacturer. Maybe if I'd bought a Nikon 950 at the time
we wouldn't be spending more money. But we didn't and have to replace
the camera. Live and learn!
Mike
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