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DarrenH said:
If you own a Sony camera, please tell us which one. Wait, isn't it
a Canon?
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I didn't think children owned expensive digital cameras? :-)

Steve

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No matter what, it is quite sure that something is happening otherwise it is very difficult to understand why Sony is not offering MS with capacity higher than 128M. Sony is a leader in technology and innovative products. How can it let itself falling behind so much from other memory technologies? "New memory devices from Sony" is not specualtion but simple logic.

Now, the only question is on compatibility. Can the existing products use the new memory devices. Maybe the latest products can. Maybe with some sort of adaptor, some of the older products can.

Best regards,

K. Tse
Mike Ezell said:
A point of clarification....that is not news from Sony. Might it
be true yes, might it be false, yes. This is just "news" from
someone reporting what they (according to unnamed Sony sources)
believe is expected.

It is all hearsay at this point, but this so-called news is surely
increasing traffic on the CNET site which will help with their
advertising revenue....hmmm makes me wonder. With statements like
this, "Sony representatives said that the official announcement is
still weeks away and cautioned that details around the new format
could change," this site can't be wrong and can't lose by saying
this. They might be right, but they might be spreading "Sony
fables" too.

--Mike
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I am very disappointed that the capacity of the current memory stick will be limited to 128 meg. Sony issued press releases years ago promising Customers that larger memory sticks were on the horizon. Sony should have been totally honest from the beginning and told Customers that in order to achieve higher capacities, new memory sticks would not likely be compatible with existing cameras. Customers could have made a more informed buying decision when considering purchasing Sony digital cameras. Sony knew that its camera sales would have suffered, so it chose to keep Customers in the dark as long as possible. Sony sucks!!!!
 
Yesterday I was tempted to post a thread predicting some imminent MS announcement from Sony, after finally biting the bullet and going out to buy FOUR more 128MB Memorysticks. But I chickened out, as I thought it would be in bad taste - especially after all the recent MS speculation, including my own. Anyway this morning I wake up to hear the MSPro news - spooky or what !

What I can't understand is why folks are getting SO heated prior to any official Sony announcement giving actual facts on compatibility / incompatibility.

But it is certainly interesting timing from Sonys point of view, because this could seriously hurt F7x7 sales in the run up to Christmas IF consumers are so desperate to get their hands on cameras with the latest storage memory technology.

Personally I have already bought the F717 and LOVE it ! So if it proves to be compatible with the new generation of MSPro sticks (as reported from Sony Austria) then great. If not, then I can live with it - switching MS takes but a few second, and I'm still making use of my 8MB MS from my original F505V (for TV slideshows)

So I am not incensed at Sony for improving their technology at the risk of backward compatibility, BUT I am at the continuing huge disparity between MS prices in different countries. I paid HK$500 ( US$65) for each of my 128MB MS out here in Hong Kong, and friends in the UK have to pay even more ( US$80). So I am sure that many non-US members here would MUCH rather see Sony halve the price (at least) of existing 128MB Memorysticks, than worry about paying an even higher premium for higher capacity ones !

So perhaps as Sony spin into damage limitation mode over the coming weeks on this MSPro news - they will finally address this pricing issue !
There again I am still dreaming of a red Ferrari for Christmas ;-)

Just my 5c's

Andy (or should that now be Jonah!)
 
Heheheh... I guess you could say that in lieu of an 'updated roadmap' at the Sony website, we already had onhand the bits and pieces of the puzzle for where that roadmap would take Sony users. :-)

What do you think will come first? A 256MB stick? or the 512MB?
Howdy said:
Ultimately, we did get sufficient hints so that the announcement of
MSPro, and its lack of backward compatability shouldn't be a
surprise to anybody. Last year's SanDisk partnership was a big tip
that the future of MS had taken a turn. The press release itself
conceded the partnership was for the development of the next
generation MS. And following that announcement, the ongoing and
continued NON-release of a 256MB stick.

Howdy.
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Again, what I would submit to this point is that Sony is not the only one with their hands in the pot, where Memory Stick is concerned. They may be the ones holding the stirring spoon, but there are lots of other cooks in the kitchen now, and it might be that they couldn't announce that dinner was ready until everyone had finished shaking their own ingredients into the stew.

Not a whole lot they can do about that, in this type of scenario.
DarrenH said:
That's what I plan to check tonight with a flashlight!! That said,
I'm not really teed off myself. I'm just annoyed that Sony have
led consumers around based on false expectations for awhile. They
could have come clean about this ages ago.
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Gamo said:
And who said it will? ;)
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The point being that we need more facts than just the misread projections based on a batch of rumors from the cnet article.

Cnet has NOT specifically said that the F717 is incompatible. But that's the conclusion that's being drawn by most readers. It may be true. It may not. We need more facts. :-)
Gamo said:
The casing for new MS pro will be at least somewhat diff from old
MS to prevent people from pluging the wrong stick in. The new stick
will also be diff. enough to allow consumers to tell which is MS
pro and which is MS. Diff color, diff shape. May be we can just
look inside 717 and 707 and see if the MS slot is the same ;)
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Again, what will be meant by "incompatible".

Will the new sticks not work at all, for example, in the S75/S85?
Will they work but only up to 128MB?
Will they not even plug into the older cameras?
Will they plug in and simply not be accessible?

There are lots of ways this could go.

I'm all for a BLACK Memory Stick, though. With Gold silk screened letters :-)))

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Ulysses
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I'm an uncle!!!

 
Maybe the 32MB requirement easily fits in the same space needed to support 1GB with CF (maybe 1GB actually takes more space than 32MB); maybe the CF design took into consideration a larger capacity market requirement when it was designed; maybe Sony thought they could beat everyone else's densities when they first designed their stick; apparently Sony has decided to expand their sense of the market requirement for memory, and it looks like it will take more real estate than they first allocated; or maybe Sony knew all along that they could only get to 128MB with the original stick, which would give them a small form factor that could be used in a proprietary manner in a very big market across many types of devices (a/v equipment, computers, etc.); maybe they knew they would eventually need a step-function (physical) change in their memory device; only Sony knows why.....; they aren't perfect, but they learn quickly and they will be coming with a flood of products.

Yada
Andrew F said:
I don't think the physical size is the issue... A 1GB Compact Flash
card is the same size as a 32MB one. SD cards have 256MB in the
same casing as 64MB.
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Andrew F said:
Getting much more than 256mb of memory in the stick would be hard
with this thin stick. By increasing its size they could get the
1gig+ but it would fit or work in the current equipment. I would
still like to see a 256mb stick that you would not have to flip a
switch on. The "switch flipping" would be useless as you could
just put another 128mb stick in it in the same time.
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I don't think the physical size is the issue... A 1GB Compact Flash
card is the same size as a 32MB one. SD cards have 256MB in the
same casing as 64MB.
Andrew F said:
Plus the 256 "switched" stick would cost more.
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Than what?
A switch flip 256MB (2 x 128MB) will still be cheaper to
manufacture and distribute than 2 x 128MB sticks.
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Sebastian Szyszka said:
Maybe if you have one hand with one finger and a thumb... :-D

Don't mean any disrespect to all you one-handed, one-fingered folk.

Swapping a MS takes almost no time at all, I swap rolls of film in
less than 30 seconds. I'v known people that do it twice as fast as
me.
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Couldn't you have to wait 15 seconds for the buffer to clear if you had three images in it?

-Keith
 
jabshutterbug said:
hey as long as it still drives the price of current 128mb memory
sticks down, Im all for it. I would wrather have 5 or 6 128mb
memory sticks Vs. 1 high capacity stick.
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If we were talking about 256mb memory sticks, or maybe even
512mp, then I might agree.

But 128mb really is kind of on the small side.
 
I waited for the 717...bought it and then had to send it back for the (AF) firmware upgrade. Now a Pro memory stick? Fine. Just throw us present users a bone and create a larger standard memory stick as well. At least 256 mgs. 128mgs will give only 6 minutes of hi-rez MPEG HQX time. A larger stick would help this feature tremendously. Along with the fact that we all have all waited too long for the promised bigger MS.

Sony...throw us a bone! (I hate begging)
 
this shows how sony screws people with their propreitary formats.... don't understand why people buying sony stuff.... welll maybe they need to some place to drain their cash !

anyways sooner than later MS and also its 4 different avatars will die.
Glen Sakaguchi said:
I waited for the 717...bought it and then had to send it back for
the (AF) firmware upgrade. Now a Pro memory stick? Fine. Just throw
us present users a bone and create a larger standard memory stick
as well. At least 256 mgs. 128mgs will give only 6 minutes of
hi-rez MPEG HQX time. A larger stick would help this feature
tremendously. Along with the fact that we all have all waited too
long for the promised bigger MS.

Sony...throw us a bone! (I hate begging)
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This is really hardly needed for the consumer- compact flash has show that it does scale both in size and speed. And as for making small cameras, other than the new sony little "near lipstick size" ones, the powershot digital elph S230 & related series proves you can do a small camera with compact flash.

I can understand Sony though, it's a license to print money.
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Ulysses said:
Market penetration is way beyond what Betamax ever was. And the
applications for Memory Stick go way beyond just the digital
cameras.

Wait for the news and for the trade shows in upcoming months.

We can groan about being abandoned, but once we see the features
and capabilities enabled, it's going to be a whole new deal again.
If the cameras work better than ever before, I would predict
threads like this will fade into memory.
johnrweb said:
Its looking like Sony is abandoning the Betamax again.
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Ulysses
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Is it my imagination? But it appears as if the words "...waiting for oh so long ..." has disappeared from the memory stick news blurb?!! I'm sure I read that last night near the bottom of last paragraph?
 
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