The bright side of MS

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No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death here.

I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.

I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one. And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to ***** about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
 
I really don't get what all the fuss is about. It's not like the camera takes images that are too big to fit the current stick size. I can get lots of pics on a 128 stick. I really don't see the reason for the tearing of hair an gnashing of teeth. 128 is big enough for me. And I agree it's great the price will probably go down. Ann
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
 
... may just be what some will be posting here in a few months if the current 128mb design is to be depricated by the new 'Pro' stick.

I wouldn't worry much. Heck, that would be great news! 128mb sticks would be the lowest per MB card out there. How can that hurt Sony or us?

The other side of the coin would probably be that newer 'Pro' devices would possibly accept the older (current) legacy sticks. That would also make many of us happy since we'd be able to use our hundreds of dollars worth of sticks in the future.

Of course, this is only my wild way-out-there speculation.

S85 - 128mb limit and proud of it,
  • David
Ann Chaikin wrote:
I really don't get what all the fuss is about. It's not like the
camera takes images that are too big to fit the current stick size.
I can get lots of pics on a 128 stick. I really don't see the
reason for the tearing of hair an gnashing of teeth. 128 is big
enough for me. And I agree it's great the price will probably go
down. Ann
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
 
I just don't get it--people are now saying they are taking their camera back because of this issue. This cracks me up. Why would anyone take back an f717 because it is limited to a 128 mb stick? This camera rocks for what we pay for it and for what it does!

Now, if the 707/717 had the capabilties of the Canon EOS-1D (8 fps and a buffer of 21 images), I could see this being a very big problem (especially for sports photographers that shoot machine gun style). That camera could fill a 128 card within 10 seconds of continuous shooting. But the fact is, this isn't the 1D (although I wish it was) and the 707/717 can't produce that many images that fast (even if you wanted to ) because of shutter lag just to start with. I just don't understand how people are rattling off 51 images in a short amount of time with this camera such that the need for an insane amount of images on one stick is critcal. And quite frankly, it only takes me about 5-10 seconds to swap sticks (and much less time than it took me to swap rolls of film). Full sticks in the left pant pocket, empty ones in the right pant pocket. bada bing bada boom.

Count me on this side of the debate. I'll take a bunch of cheap ones over an expensive huge one.

Cheers,
Mike
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
--
--Mike Ezell
 
How about 4 Gvytes M.stick with 50 Mbps sustained bandwidth?

This would be a DVD-RAM killer appliaction... WOW!!!
I wouldn't worry much. Heck, that would be great news! 128mb sticks
would be the lowest per MB card out there. How can that hurt Sony
or us?

The other side of the coin would probably be that newer 'Pro'
devices would possibly accept the older (current) legacy sticks.
That would also make many of us happy since we'd be able to use our
hundreds of dollars worth of sticks in the future.

Of course, this is only my wild way-out-there speculation.

S85 - 128mb limit and proud of it,
  • David
Ann Chaikin wrote:
I really don't get what all the fuss is about. It's not like the
camera takes images that are too big to fit the current stick size.
I can get lots of pics on a 128 stick. I really don't see the
reason for the tearing of hair an gnashing of teeth. 128 is big
enough for me. And I agree it's great the price will probably go
down. Ann
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
--
For Public Pictures Album, go here:
http://www.web-a-photo.com/OPA/
Use 'Nashua_Hawk' in the Visitor box.
 
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--
Bill B
http://www.pbase.com/bill_b
 
Since I am currently in the market for a digital camera I have a slightly different take.

Should I wait for the next model of the F717 with the new spec MS or not?

Sure, carrying several memory sticks and having to upload from them individually may be no big deal but maybe I should wait for the larger memory sticks since I haven't bought anything yet.

Also, If I shoot a few 3 - 5 minute video clips there goes two or three sticks right away. Swap, swap, swap, upload, upload, upload....

I like the Sony F717 but maybe I'll wait and see how soon the next model might be coming out then I can just get one large MS.
 
Mike,

I use the autobracketing mode of camera to get a different range of exposures, just in case my exposures are off. In this mode, over 6MB is eaten up per shot when using fine compression. This gives me only 20 shots per memory stick.

I like nature and the outdoors. On an 8 miles hike, its pretty easy to shoot hundreds of pictrures. However, I am unable to take all the pictures I would like because its a big pain to remove take off my backpack, remove my gloves, find a clean spot and change the memory stick. I do wish for the larger memory capacity that all other brand of camera have.

So a workaround for me, is not to use autobracking and setting the camera in standard mode. In other words, I'm not able to use the features that I want to use that's available on the camera.
Now, if the 707/717 had the capabilties of the Canon EOS-1D (8 fps
and a buffer of 21 images), I could see this being a very big
problem (especially for sports photographers that shoot machine gun
style). That camera could fill a 128 card within 10 seconds of
continuous shooting. But the fact is, this isn't the 1D (although
I wish it was) and the 707/717 can't produce that many images that
fast (even if you wanted to ) because of shutter lag just to start
with. I just don't understand how people are rattling off 51
images in a short amount of time with this camera such that the
need for an insane amount of images on one stick is critcal. And
quite frankly, it only takes me about 5-10 seconds to swap sticks
(and much less time than it took me to swap rolls of film). Full
sticks in the left pant pocket, empty ones in the right pant
pocket. bada bing bada boom.

Count me on this side of the debate. I'll take a bunch of cheap
ones over an expensive huge one.

Cheers,
Mike
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
--
--Mike Ezell
--
John
http://www.pbase.com/johnrweb/
 
These are my sentiments exactly, and since I just received my F717 I can still return it for the next model. I think these are completely valid considerations despite the flames on the board.
Since I am currently in the market for a digital camera I have a
slightly different take.

Should I wait for the next model of the F717 with the new spec MS
or not?

Sure, carrying several memory sticks and having to upload from them
individually may be no big deal but maybe I should wait for the
larger memory sticks since I haven't bought anything yet.

Also, If I shoot a few 3 - 5 minute video clips there goes two or
three sticks right away. Swap, swap, swap, upload, upload,
upload....

I like the Sony F717 but maybe I'll wait and see how soon the next
model might be coming out then I can just get one large MS.
 
I am a little bit skeptical about this whole compatbility issue with the 717 series. I would be very surpised if they released an MS Pro and then shortly thereafter said they were releasing a new version of the f717 that will handle it but that the "old" ones on the market can't handle it. This new stick either will be compatible with the f717 or it won't. If it isn't compatible, it would likely be the next camera 808/828/888 in which it would then work. When is that? Who knows, but it ain't gonna be for a while.

But again, your issue here is just another example of "buy now or later." Something new and better is always around the corner. If for some reason having more than a 128 mb stick is so incredibly important to you, then wait. But I would surmise that you will probably be waiting a long time to see it in the 717 series if in fact the high capacity sticks are not compatible.

If the new stick is not compatible, I just don't think they are going to release the MS Pro and then the next day say they have a new f717 that can handle it. First, they would have a lot of inventory of the old "incompatible 717s" that they would have to get rid of first. This would just be an incredible logistical nightmare. People would be going in and saying, is the 717 MS Pro capable, or is this a hold-over. I agree with other people, this new MS Pro (if and when it materializes) will have to be distingushable from the other MS style if, in fact, it is imcompatible with the existing MS devices. Thus it will require a brand new slot, and a new camera that has an appropriate slot. When would that happen? Got a reliable crystal ball near you?

How much do you value getting a camera that takes incredible pictures now (but can only cram 51 on a stick) versus waiting for some unknown amount of time until some day down the road they release both a camera and a MS high capacity stick that are compatible. Just how important to you is taking pictures right now? Only you can answer that question.

Of course, only the folks at Sony know any of the actual reality regarding this issue. All of the posts regarding the MS Pro and compatibility are mere conjecture. Personally, I wouldn't want to be without my 707 for any amount of time just so that it could handle a higher capacity MS. To me, any "down" time means too many memories and too many photo-educational opportunties lost.

Hope this helps. Good luck with your decisisons.

--Mike
Since I am currently in the market for a digital camera I have a
slightly different take.

Should I wait for the next model of the F717 with the new spec MS
or not?

Sure, carrying several memory sticks and having to upload from them
individually may be no big deal but maybe I should wait for the
larger memory sticks since I haven't bought anything yet.

Also, If I shoot a few 3 - 5 minute video clips there goes two or
three sticks right away. Swap, swap, swap, upload, upload,
upload....

I like the Sony F717 but maybe I'll wait and see how soon the next
model might be coming out then I can just get one large MS.
 
It is not just a matter of waiting to see what Sony does.

Now that I know there will most likely not be a MS for the F717 higher then 128MB I can condsider other cameras currently on the market that use a more industry standard CFI or CFII.

The storage capacity is not the only issue when buying a digital camera but it certainly is one issue.

Since I don't plan on buying a dedicated camcorder my digital camera will suffice for the video clips I shoot. If I want to shoot 5 3-5 minute clips then I need 5 memory sticks which need to be swapped during filming and also during uploading to my computer. I will need more memory sticks for pictures.

The convenience of having one 1GB memory unit is obvious in this situation.

This is just one consideration of many when buying a digital camera the foremost being image quality.

It is somewhat more of a consideration for me since I want to use my digital camera to double for a poor mans camcorder. Not important to everyone but video capability of the still digital camera I buy is.

I am also looking at the Fuji S602 which can record 15 minutes of 640x480 fullscreen VGA video on a 1GB IBM microdrive.
 
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--

How quick some are to turn on their camera. I bet you are right the images on a 128 or 256 stick would look the same.

Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
 
I wrote my message assuming you were going to primarily take pictures with the 717. I just can't imagine seriously using a still camera for my video needs, regardless of the camera and how much video it can store.
It is not just a matter of waiting to see what Sony does.

Now that I know there will most likely not be a MS for the F717
higher then 128MB I can condsider other cameras currently on the
market that use a more industry standard CFI or CFII.

The storage capacity is not the only issue when buying a digital
camera but it certainly is one issue.

Since I don't plan on buying a dedicated camcorder my digital
camera will suffice for the video clips I shoot. If I want to shoot
5 3-5 minute clips then I need 5 memory sticks which need to be
swapped during filming and also during uploading to my computer. I
will need more memory sticks for pictures.

The convenience of having one 1GB memory unit is obvious in this
situation.

This is just one consideration of many when buying a digital camera
the foremost being image quality.

It is somewhat more of a consideration for me since I want to use
my digital camera to double for a poor mans camcorder. Not
important to everyone but video capability of the still digital
camera I buy is.

I am also looking at the Fuji S602 which can record 15 minutes of
640x480 fullscreen VGA video on a 1GB IBM microdrive.
 
some points (personal opinion)

1) Don't assume that everybody is from north america in an international forum. In most other countries memory stick is still much more expensive compared to CF

2)Present memory sticks are slow

3)It's always better having more choice.

4)Those who bracket their shots and those who don't carry laptops or other memory storage media in a holiday might benefit from larger media. Most people might not need them but some would find it convenient.

5)It's too early to vent your frustration out or trying to convince yourself (and others) that no backword compatibility of new sticks is a non issue. Let Sony speak first. 717 might be compatible with the new sticks (Sony wouldn't be so stupid to hurt the sales of it's latest camera). If not, enjoy taking pictures.
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
 
I'll send it back so I can get the 717v (or 818 or whatever comes next) that will utilize the next generation media.
I just don't get it--people are now saying they are taking their
camera back because of this issue. This cracks me up. Why would
anyone take back an f717 because it is limited to a 128 mb stick?
This camera rocks for what we pay for it and for what it does!
 
Thanks for your thoughtful points. I tend to agree. It's refreshing compared to some of the photography snobs here who think that increased storage capacity and convenience aren't a legitimate concern for users of digital cameras. But different users have different needs and uses for their cameras.
1) Don't assume that everybody is from north america in an
international forum. In most other countries memory stick is still
much more expensive compared to CF

2)Present memory sticks are slow

3)It's always better having more choice.

4)Those who bracket their shots and those who don't carry laptops
or other memory storage media in a holiday might benefit from
larger media. Most people might not need them but some would find
it convenient.

5)It's too early to vent your frustration out or trying to convince
yourself (and others) that no backword compatibility of new sticks
is a non issue. Let Sony speak first. 717 might be compatible with
the new sticks (Sony wouldn't be so stupid to hurt the sales of
it's latest camera). If not, enjoy taking pictures.
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
 
Good points johnd1. what it comes down to is everyone having to decide what their own priorities are regarding their digicam needs...i don't want to put down folks who find the 128 meg limit to be a problem since for their own needs maybe it is...for my particualr needs the limit is not an issue for all the reasons all ready noted too many times...but i thinks its important for everyone to point out what their likes and dislikes are so we can each decide for ourselves which points are relevent to their personal needs :-)
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
 
I just ordered a 717, I've got a DSC-P9 and three or so years ago spent $800usd on a 2.mp cybershot w/4mb stick....The point is,...Sony's one of the most innovative companies out there, from PC's to MD's...I've traveled all over the world under all types of conditions and the first thing I do is load up my Cybershots, two types of batteries and even that original 4mb stick, never ever had a problem...currently in Southern Brazil, send photos home each night, and I'm frequently asked what kind of camera I'm using....can't wait to get the 717 (even if it means a third type of battery)...trip to Shenzen and Hong Kong next month....All I reallywant to know where I can get 128 for $14.00? I'll take five if I can get em before the first of the year.
This would be a DVD-RAM killer appliaction... WOW!!!
I wouldn't worry much. Heck, that would be great news! 128mb sticks
would be the lowest per MB card out there. How can that hurt Sony
or us?

The other side of the coin would probably be that newer 'Pro'
devices would possibly accept the older (current) legacy sticks.
That would also make many of us happy since we'd be able to use our
hundreds of dollars worth of sticks in the future.

Of course, this is only my wild way-out-there speculation.

S85 - 128mb limit and proud of it,
  • David
Ann Chaikin wrote:
I really don't get what all the fuss is about. It's not like the
camera takes images that are too big to fit the current stick size.
I can get lots of pics on a 128 stick. I really don't see the
reason for the tearing of hair an gnashing of teeth. 128 is big
enough for me. And I agree it's great the price will probably go
down. Ann
No need to go into the advantages of having mulitiple 128Mb
memsticks as opposed to larger ones as it's been beaten to death
here.
I 'd like to add another + . I usually try to take a negative and
turn it into a positive if possible. If the 128 MB size is indeed
going to be the limit there is a good possibility the prices will
drop. My 4 128MB cards have cost a total of $134.00. Thats half a
gig for a lot less than a 500 MD or CF card.
I'm not sure about everyone else but I'll bet my 717 takes just as
good images with a 128 MB stick as it would have with a larger one.
And for certain it will do it for less money too. So whats to *****
about?
.Ponder that.
John

PS, I'm gonna buy the next iteration of the 717 anyway, regardless
of what kind of media it takes. Too much emphasis/importance is
placed on storage media. It's cheap stuff.
--
also known as PT Kitty > ^..^
http://www.pbase.com/ptkitty/galleries
http://www.annchaikin.com
--
For Public Pictures Album, go here:
http://www.web-a-photo.com/OPA/
Use 'Nashua_Hawk' in the Visitor box.
 
I think if it was going to be compatable, Sony would say so....now, before the "Wait and see" approach killed Christmas sales....but then again...perhaps there is a Santa..
It is not just a matter of waiting to see what Sony does.

Now that I know there will most likely not be a MS for the F717
higher then 128MB I can condsider other cameras currently on the
market that use a more industry standard CFI or CFII.

The storage capacity is not the only issue when buying a digital
camera but it certainly is one issue.

Since I don't plan on buying a dedicated camcorder my digital
camera will suffice for the video clips I shoot. If I want to shoot
5 3-5 minute clips then I need 5 memory sticks which need to be
swapped during filming and also during uploading to my computer. I
will need more memory sticks for pictures.

The convenience of having one 1GB memory unit is obvious in this
situation.

This is just one consideration of many when buying a digital camera
the foremost being image quality.

It is somewhat more of a consideration for me since I want to use
my digital camera to double for a poor mans camcorder. Not
important to everyone but video capability of the still digital
camera I buy is.

I am also looking at the Fuji S602 which can record 15 minutes of
640x480 fullscreen VGA video on a 1GB IBM microdrive.
 

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