Greg Gebhardt
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Sony has to do something to sell it's next line of cameras. I don't mind, wish they would just get it out to us!
Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
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new memsticks to be incompatible...
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Sony has to do something to sell it's next line of cameras. I don't mind, wish they would just get it out to us!
Greg Gebhardt Nikon D1 & D1x. Sony 717, Epson 2200 & PS7
Jacksonville, Florida
As of Monday, I was a new 717 owner, and I find this to be completely infuriating. I fully believe if it was technically possible to create greater than 128mb sticks with the current format, we'd have had them already. That single fact is probably what keeps me sane. On the other hand, I have a 30 day period to send the camera back w/ no restocking fee, and I'll tell you that I'm damn close to doing it (after the holidays, of course) and just waiting for Sony to come out with the F717V.
The fact is, I'm not a very organized person, and having multiple 128mb sticks laying around just doesn't seem appealing. Just seems like disaster waiting to happen to me.
I knew full well purchasing the 717 that I would have the MS limitation. At least initially. I guess I was holding out some hope they would pull through with some revelation. Quite honestly, why would Sony have developed a technology back in 98 which capped out at 128mb? Reminds me of a Gates quote from the early eighties.
I'm a born 'n bred American, and it shows. I really liked the 717, didn't like the restrictive/proprietary format, kinda sorta thought there might be a change in the storage media on the way, but I wanted the camera NOW. So, let's just look at this post as a "Sony- Why the lack of forethought in MS development??".
Thanks for letting me rant.
Jeff
The fact is, I'm not a very organized person, and having multiple 128mb sticks laying around just doesn't seem appealing. Just seems like disaster waiting to happen to me.
I knew full well purchasing the 717 that I would have the MS limitation. At least initially. I guess I was holding out some hope they would pull through with some revelation. Quite honestly, why would Sony have developed a technology back in 98 which capped out at 128mb? Reminds me of a Gates quote from the early eighties.
I'm a born 'n bred American, and it shows. I really liked the 717, didn't like the restrictive/proprietary format, kinda sorta thought there might be a change in the storage media on the way, but I wanted the camera NOW. So, let's just look at this post as a "Sony- Why the lack of forethought in MS development??".
Thanks for letting me rant.
Jeff
Bigardo
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The website for the Sony camera specs stats that they are compatible with all memory sticks. It does not give a size so if they change the name to Memory Stick Pro for the 512 1gig sticks then they covered themselves. I can't beleive all the Latops, TV's, Cameras and Storage devices currently on the market will not be able to use the higher capacity sticks. I just bought a 707 before the 717 came out and do not plan on replacing it for a few years. Oh well buy more 128's at a reduced price when the new ones come out I guess.
Howdy
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Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Seems to me that Sony was at least able to recognize that its a very bad idea to announce its latest flagship camera at the same time that you announce that the flagship camera will be using obsolete MS with a capacity limit of 128MB MS.
Howdy
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I wonder if they will be backward compatible with my current stock of 128MB MS?
Howdy
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Howdy
Leading Member
But its always hard when reality finally hits. Seems that we've suspected for quite a while that Sony wasn't going to release increased capacity without also increasing throughput. Given the length of time since the 128 MS was released, I would suspect Sony spent a lot of time and research dollars but finally gave up on trying to engineer increased capacity/throughput while maintaining backward compatibility.
Tanglefoot1947
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--I personally don't have an issue with the 128 I just bought extra no big deal to swap out.
Tanglefoot1947 717
Howdy
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Given that the new MS isn't backward compatible, I suspect Sony will also change the physical format to prevent new MS from mistakenly being put into an old device, and to prevent old MS from finding their way into a "new MS" device.
The 717 was built with an old MS reader.
This does seem like a good reason to not skip the 717.
A Anderson
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I'm guessing yes, makes sense, can keep the memory stick production lines going, a stack of 128MB MS might end up being very very cheap?
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Jay
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While I tend to agree with you on this point, CNET is not just another gossip news site. They are generally very respectable and I doubt they would release this kind of statement without a high level of confidence.
khef
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I feel the same thing... Why are you complaining about that fact ? Nowadays you can buy 128 memsticks for 30$... Unless you dont want to carry several memsticks, that way has advantages... 4 weeks ago i spent some time with a friend of mine, photographer. He was workin with a canon camera, and lost his 1G microdrive while we were working... Can you represent what is a Microdrive to buy ???
I do prefer my F717, and like changin those bloody memsticks several times during the day instead of buying a 1G card which is supa-expansive !!!
And furthermore, I often work in a hurry, so it's easier to let a 128MS in one place (When people wanna transfer data on harddrive !) instead of the whole memory of my camera...
I dont care about those polemics, I do just know that camera kicks ass, really strong...
khef_ www.artnok.com .°°
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I do prefer my F717, and like changin those bloody memsticks several times during the day instead of buying a 1G card which is supa-expansive !!!
And furthermore, I often work in a hurry, so it's easier to let a 128MS in one place (When people wanna transfer data on harddrive !) instead of the whole memory of my camera...
I dont care about those polemics, I do just know that camera kicks ass, really strong...
khef_ www.artnok.com .°°
Life is a fizzy picture..
Strasbourg~France~
khef
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I do agree with you guys&girls, happyfew, owners of that asskickin' machine (717, off course) ... Buy some extra 128MS (u'll need 8 of them to own 1G !!! 8x30$ = 240$, less when you know how to make it...) and feel free to photography what you want...
You're totally free : you can let the MS you use to work at home, can carry the other part... The MS size is so small... What are we experiencing today ??? I just read things of desabused and assisted people... Is that MS such a horrible nightmare ??? Does it sweep the extrem quality of the F717 ? I mean you, complaining dudes, are boring... I don't shoot so many pictures that weight more than 128Mo... If changing a MS several times a day bore you, i dont wanna spend a minute of my life with you... What does it cost you : opening the camera, pullin the MS and puttin a new one ? Thirty seconds... I'm not as lazy to complain about that minor problem...
khef_ www.artnok.com .°°
Life is a fizzy picture...
You're totally free : you can let the MS you use to work at home, can carry the other part... The MS size is so small... What are we experiencing today ??? I just read things of desabused and assisted people... Is that MS such a horrible nightmare ??? Does it sweep the extrem quality of the F717 ? I mean you, complaining dudes, are boring... I don't shoot so many pictures that weight more than 128Mo... If changing a MS several times a day bore you, i dont wanna spend a minute of my life with you... What does it cost you : opening the camera, pullin the MS and puttin a new one ? Thirty seconds... I'm not as lazy to complain about that minor problem...
khef_ www.artnok.com .°°
Life is a fizzy picture...
DarrenH
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Do y'all think that the 717 is an "older device?"
I'd better get in there with a flashlight tonight and see if there's contacts on both sides.....
I'd better get in there with a flashlight tonight and see if there's contacts on both sides.....
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Ulysses
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Yeah, I guess so.
What is so ironic is that you try to prep folks for the possibilities, and everyone is surprised when the forecasts are true.
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What is so ironic is that you try to prep folks for the possibilities, and everyone is surprised when the forecasts are true.
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DarrenH
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Take a look in the MS slot and see if there's contacts on two sides. That should tell you pretty quick....D
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Ulysses
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Let's just wait for the real news.
Another thing to think about is this: What does "compatibility" mean?
Does it mean, for example, that a camera like the S75/S85 will be unable to READ and WRITE to the new MS at all?
Or...
Does it mean that it will only be able to utilize the 128MB capacity of a larger stick, and only at the older speeds of 800kb/s ?
Heheheh... things are going to get interesting either way.
Let's wait for the real news from Sony.
Ulysses
Repository of Some of My Stuff
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Another thing to think about is this: What does "compatibility" mean?
Does it mean, for example, that a camera like the S75/S85 will be unable to READ and WRITE to the new MS at all?
Or...
Does it mean that it will only be able to utilize the 128MB capacity of a larger stick, and only at the older speeds of 800kb/s ?
Heheheh... things are going to get interesting either way.
Let's wait for the real news from Sony.
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Ulysses
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XJ
Member
You are right. To change a MS is only 30 seconds. It is no big deal.
I do know the tech is improved very fast now. I own my new toy --dsc717 only a week. I love it.
But I don't feel comfortable that it becomes an old device only on market for two months.
XJ
I do know the tech is improved very fast now. I own my new toy --dsc717 only a week. I love it.
But I don't feel comfortable that it becomes an old device only on market for two months.
XJ
DarrenH
Senior Member
Sure, but what if you just laid out cash for the 717? I've got reasons for being teed off I think, given that Sony themselves said that 512MB sticks are on the horizon.
Market penetration is way beyond what Betamax ever was. And the
applications for Memory Stick go way beyond just the digital
cameras.
Wait for the news and for the trade shows in upcoming months.
We can groan about being abandoned, but once we see the features
and capabilities enabled, it's going to be a whole new deal again.
If the cameras work better than ever before, I would predict
threads like this will fade into memory.
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Ulysses
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Andy Buchner
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No one knows by now a list of devices that "might" be incompatible with the new MS. So why talk about today? Just spreading senseless gossip instead of facts?
Remember all the Olympus owners with their smart media hassles?
We all will see what Sony is about to offer. I'm a satisfied 717 owner. Sony wants to sell memory sticks - a lot of. And that won't be possible if they are incompatible with too many current devices.
Andreas
Remember all the Olympus owners with their smart media hassles?
We all will see what Sony is about to offer. I'm a satisfied 717 owner. Sony wants to sell memory sticks - a lot of. And that won't be possible if they are incompatible with too many current devices.
Andreas
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