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Im just starting my photography race, so my question is what kind of camera should i buy between t3i or 60d the difference is around 300dls, so theres a big difference between this two or not?
i would like get the best camera for shoting events at night and portraits

like i said im totally new on this, so i would appreciate all the advices
thxx
 
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There ar many differences, I think you should see how they feel in you hand.

For portraits, I suggest you will not see and diff. Low light the 60D is better, but (there is always a but) you will need a good and fast lens. If your on a budget get the body and the 50mm 1.8. Best way to judge is to check out the photos posted by other memebers and see if they appeal to you.

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The truth is for events and portraits you will find little difference between the 2. The only thing the 60D will over over the other camera is possibly a better feel if you think you would enjoy its layout. I own the 60D and love it. It does have a larger buffer faster fps and better AF system. These things may or may not be important to you.
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I agree with Rakumi and the others. While there are quite a few differences, the most observable will be the ergonomics and the 60D's improvement in focusing system and frames per second which for these latter 2 give it some advantage in action shooting. That said, while my 60D grip was a Canon getting repaired I shot a couple of high school softball games with a T3i that I borrowed from a co-worker and it did very well.

The 2 cameras have the same sensor so night events and portraits should be pretty much the same.

Tim
 
Nano Rot said:
Im just starting my photography race, so my question is what kind of camera should i buy between t3i or 60d the difference is around 300dls, so theres a big difference between this two or not?
i would like get the best camera for shoting events at night and portraits
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More important than which camera is the question of which lenses do you plan on buying. There is no doubt that the 60D offers a few more features than the 600D/T3i. Read the reviews about the two cameras to decide what is important to you.

If by buying the 60D, you cannot get a better lens, you might have to weigh your options even further.

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I agree with Olga about the importance of factoring in the cost of the lens that you can get with either lens. A body will most likely be upgraded every 2-4 years but the right lens can stay with you a much longer time.

Also caution you about your use of the word "race". Photography is a life long hobby and should be approaced in that manner. Enjoy the journey...

John

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But, as others have said, it's faster and I prefer the user-interface (the controls). But either will do fine for you. If the $300 is a big deal for you, get the 600D and don't look back.

FF
 
I agree with this to a certain degree. You should have a body you feel comfortable with, but just as vital is having the right lens for you to work with. Especially your general walk around or work horse lens. My 2 most used lenses are the 24-105mm f4L IS USM as my general purpose in the day time and the 28mm 1.8 USM as my general indoor walk around when shooting family and people.

A strong lens lineup is quite important and is the most enjoyable part of your photography.
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I thought about this also about the low light. But if the poster is referring to the fact that it will focus better in low light, he is true in that regard.
Flying Fish said:
But, as others have said, it's faster and I prefer the user-interface (the controls). But either will do fine for you. If the $300 is a big deal for you, get the 600D and don't look back.

FF
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I too had the same dilemma. I spent a few weeks researching and trying to decide between the 60D and T3i. Having tried out both models a couple of times in the shop, I settled on the 60D. It's bigger than the T3i so feels better in my big hands and it has plenty of bells and whistles for me to grow into. It has a faster FPS too. Not as fast as the 7D but certainly fast enough for the few occasions I need it. As for low light. I've attached a photo of my niece. It was taken with hardly any light and no flash because I didn't want to wake her. Ok, it's grainy but then the ISO was 6400. Considering it was hand held, no flash and a very long held breath, the camera didn't do too badly. At the end of the day. The two cameras have the same sensors. so should perform identically. My advice, if you haven't already, go into a shop and play with them both, that will make your decision easier.



 
thanks to all i will take all the advices, im gonna go to the store first and with my hands see whats feels better.

And after a few months try to upgrade the kit lens with some prime lenses for the indoor shoots at low light like 28mm f/1.8, 35mm f/2 or 50mm f/1.8 thats a decent plan right?
 
I rather have a camera with features that I can grow into rather than growing out of but then again it's just a tool, it's how easier to the take creative images you want makes or breaks the deal. I've had the Rebel series (XT, XSi) and it was time to move on and got the 60D.
 
To get good photographic results, there are limiting factors. In order of importance:

First there is the photographer. This is by far the most limiting factor. Good photographers need a mixture of knowledge, of experience/skills and of talent. Everybody can work on that.

Second is the lens. A crappy lens on a pro camera will still produce crappy pictures.

Third is the camera. When one and two are OK, then even a basic camera with a good sensor can produce brillant results that are on par with more expensive cameras. This is the reason why you can find truly magnificent images taken with 'lowly' amateur camera bodies.

The choice of camera bodies is more dependant of your budget and the type of photography you want to do most. So in fact it is more a matter of personal preferences and of balancing budgets. That's why it is not possible to give a simple one way advise. In the end you have to decide yourself.
 
IMO the ergonomics of the 60D are worth the extra cash. Having the control wheel on the back is great for being able to easily adjust more than one thing at a time (both shutter speed and aperture in M, or aperture and EC in AV). Also, the 8 way switch is very nice for setting focus point when I want to move it around.

That said, the 600D has the same sensor, so it should be able to take the same pictures (just not as many per second).

So if the $300 is a big deal, then get the cheaper body and put the money towards a lens upgrade. But if you can swing the $300 and don't mind the bigger size, the 60D is nicer to use (I came from a Rebel XT).
 
It's a good plan to stay with the kit lens or lenses for a while before deciding what other lenses you might want. The kit lenses are pretty decent and will allow you get a good feel for your camera.

Have fun.

FF
 
Nano Rot said:
Im just starting my photography race, so my question is what kind of camera should i buy between t3i or 60d the difference is around 300dls, so theres a big difference between this two or not?
i would like get the best camera for shoting events at night and portraits

like i said im totally new on this, so i would appreciate all the advices
thxx
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I'd say buy the T3i, unless the ergonomics bug you. The difference in AF is minimal, as is the frame rate. My main beef with the T3i is I like the controls of the 60D better, but it is what I am used to. I've shot with cameras with a main dial/rear dial combination for more than 15 years, going back to film days and the A2. Not having that was a deal breaker, as far as I am concerned. If it's not a problem for you, spend the extra money on a good lens, or upgrading glass, or something like that.
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First my suggestion then some reasons and explanations. Assuming you have a budget and aren't ready to go right to a full frame 5DMK II.... because that is the "best" for what you mention...(I think of equipment in good-better-best terms)

Buy a used 450D or 600D and start learning and shooting... you are going to want to spend a whole mess of money on other things and the money saved buying used will help.

Less than 3 years ago I bought my first DSLR.. a 450D and a 50 1.8 and a 55-250. I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do other than start taking better pictures with complete control. I did not have a clue what my desired "output" would be. The 55-250 was used 3 days and I knew I wanted better glass for wildlife so I got a 100-400L... the 50 1.8 was used a couple of times and now it sits... I needed software.... Started out with the cheap stuff.... no good. Went to Lightroom.... good... then with PSE... then CS4 and now CS5 and throw in NIK Complete Collection not to mention about 5 TB of hard drive storage and a new computer and a nice big screen that can be calibrated and a Wacom tablet..... and it goes on and on....

I'm finally figuring out what my desired end point is and I'm now printing my own work and making frames and cutting mat and glass... I spent 500 dollars on glass in a month to get things done for a show..... who knew???? I still post a bunch of stuff on the net but what I value is on a wall somewhere.

I'm fortunate I have a good day job to support my addiction... I mean hobby.

Some of my favorite stuff was done with the 450D although it collects dust mostly....

So what is your goal? Internet posting? 8 X 10 Prints? 20 X 30?

Here is a good quote..

Your first 10,000 photographs are your worst. – Henri Cartier-Bresson

That was in film days... in digital it should be.. Your first 100K photographs are your worst.

Get shooting... don't max out the budget on the camera...don't be afraid to buy used...

Richard
Nano Rot said:
Im just starting my photography race, so my question is what kind of camera should i buy between t3i or 60d the difference is around 300dls, so theres a big difference between this two or not?
i would like get the best camera for shoting events at night and portraits

like i said im totally new on this, so i would appreciate all the advices
thxx
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ESfishdoc and ur right i would love print my photos instead of internet posting.

and one question i just heard about the NIK SNAPSEED, can i install this software in my macbook or i must have an iphone or ipad for this?
ESfishdoc said:
First my suggestion then some reasons and explanations. Assuming you have a budget and aren't ready to go right to a full frame 5DMK II.... because that is the "best" for what you mention...(I think of equipment in good-better-best terms)

Buy a used 450D or 600D and start learning and shooting... you are going to want to spend a whole mess of money on other things and the money saved buying used will help.

Less than 3 years ago I bought my first DSLR.. a 450D and a 50 1.8 and a 55-250. I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do other than start taking better pictures with complete control. I did not have a clue what my desired "output" would be. The 55-250 was used 3 days and I knew I wanted better glass for wildlife so I got a 100-400L... the 50 1.8 was used a couple of times and now it sits... I needed software.... Started out with the cheap stuff.... no good. Went to Lightroom.... good... then with PSE... then CS4 and now CS5 and throw in NIK Complete Collection not to mention about 5 TB of hard drive storage and a new computer and a nice big screen that can be calibrated and a Wacom tablet..... and it goes on and on....

I'm finally figuring out what my desired end point is and I'm now printing my own work and making frames and cutting mat and glass... I spent 500 dollars on glass in a month to get things done for a show..... who knew???? I still post a bunch of stuff on the net but what I value is on a wall somewhere.

I'm fortunate I have a good day job to support my addiction... I mean hobby.

Some of my favorite stuff was done with the 450D although it collects dust mostly....

So what is your goal? Internet posting? 8 X 10 Prints? 20 X 30?

Here is a good quote..

Your first 10,000 photographs are your worst. – Henri Cartier-Bresson

That was in film days... in digital it should be.. Your first 100K photographs are your worst.

Get shooting... don't max out the budget on the camera...don't be afraid to buy used...

Richard
Nano Rot said:
Im just starting my photography race, so my question is what kind of camera should i buy between t3i or 60d the difference is around 300dls, so theres a big difference between this two or not?
i would like get the best camera for shoting events at night and portraits

like i said im totally new on this, so i would appreciate all the advices
thxx
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My Flickr Photostream Slideshow

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33755787@N03/show/

My Images at Photo.net
http://photo.net/photos/esfishdoc
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