Who going to dump their MFT Oly or Panny for Sony NEX 5N?

Hello,

Sorry, my English is not so good but,

Look like the new Sony NEX 5N blow away all Oly and Panny MFT cameras.

So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.

If not, why you not?

I shoot both Panny GF-1 and G2. But now, they are old technology and not as good high ISO as new Sony NEX 5N.

Regards

Len_Gee said:

Hello,

Sorry, my English is not so good but,

Look like the new Sony NEX 5N blow away all Oly and Panny MFT cameras.

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What exactly does that even mean?

Kung Pao Panda said:

So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.

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Nope

Kung Pao Panda said:

If not, why you not?

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undersized body over sized lenses, poor lens line-up, lack of external controls etc etc.

Kung Pao Panda said:

I shoot both Panny GF-1 and G2. But now, they are old technology and not as good high ISO as new Sony NEX 5N.

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Unless you shoot at high ISO's regularly then high ISO performance is not that important, and if it is to you then buy one. To a lot of people, myself included, it's juts not a good reason on it's own to swap systems. The GH2 is capable of excellent results at ISO 3200. Stick the Panasonic 20mm F1.7 on it and that's a lot of low light capability, plenty for me. If you base your camera buying decisions on the best high ISO performance then you will be buying a lot of cameras.

Kung Pao Panda said:

Regards

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Looking at the samples, the difference in high ISO performance between the GH2 or G3 and the NEX-5N is less than one stop (e.g 1600 looks a hair better on the GH2 or G3 than 3200 does on the NEX). Between the E-PL3 and GH2/G3 is again less than a stop.

Or: Looks like Panasonic's current sensors are on a par (noise wise) with Sony's current sensors, taking into account the difference in sensor area.

The fact that I can't plug a real flash into the NEX-5N is a complete and utter dealbreaker. The entire range of Sony and Minolta Alpha system flashes can only be used on the NEX-7 if you want them on a mirrorless camera, whereas every Four Thirds system flash can be used on all but one Micro Four Thirds camera (the GF3).

Let me know when Sony has a competent system that extends beyond just one of their cameras, and I'll lend them some credence beyond being a gadget purchased only by consumers who walk into a Best Buy and are instantly swayed by shiny Sony displays.
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I have EP1 and GH1, and many native m4/3 lenses and some legacy lenses. It would be too much hassle to change the system.

Full HD video at 60p would be nice but probably that means that I should update my laptop and video editing software.

If I had now to decide what mirrorless system to choose, Sony would be a strong candidate.

Pekka

I'm not going to dump my Olympus E-P3 and lenses for the Sony NEX 5N.

Reasons:

1) It's true that the Sony performs better at high ISOs, but because it has a larger sensor its lenses also have to be larger, and Sony has been forced to keep its lens sizes down by using smaller apertures, especially on its primes (2-3 stops slower than M43). This cancels out the high ISO advantage.

2) The M43 format has a much better and wider selection of lenses on offer, as it is supported by two manufacturers (Olympus and Panasonic) rather than one (Sony).

3) My Olympus E-P3 handles much better than the Sony NEX 5N because it has more external controls and a more solid metal body that allows for stable shooting. It is designed to appeal more to a pro or enthusiast (I'm an enthusiast), whereas the Sony NEX 5N is designed to appeal to someone upgrading from a point-and-shoot camera (I made this move 15 years ago).

I have both and will continue to enjoy both.

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First of all, the NEX system isn't going to work for everybody. I have no interest in the camera and I'm not about to abandon my investment in m4/3 lenses.

Second, and more importantly, manufacturer's technology will continuously leap-frog each other. Do you think an electronics giant like Panasonic will just sit by and let Sony take the lead and do nothing? There will always be someone else coming out with the next latest-greatest.

Lastly, the camera is just a tool. It's not going to make you a better photographer.

SF Photo Gal
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So you are shooting with a one or two generation old m43 and you are trying to compare the IQ? Let's compare the GH2 with a Sony R1 then if you want to make absurd IQ comparisons.

If they put the 5N sensor in the NEX7 body with an affordable price, I might consider looking at it, but the 5N body is awkward and the lenses are still too big for the body. And don't forget the overheating and happy clicky of the 5N. Were those mentioned as negatives?

If I want heavy and bulky lenses I'll just buy a FF DSLR, at least it will balance better and I'll have more DOF options.

Len_Gee said:

So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.

If not, why you not?

I shoot both Panny GF-1 and G2. But now, they are old technology and not as good high ISO as new Sony NEX 5N.

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Interesting question or survey...

Let me explain: I own a Sony A-100, A-700 and A-55 and even though I'm very happy with the latter two, I would sometimes leave them home as it was too much of a hassle to bring body with 1-2 lenses.

Scanning the various forums and blogs for a couple of months, I was torn between the Sony NEX 5N and the Olympus PEN E-PL2. I tried to convince myself that the NEX would be a better fit with all my A-mount lenses. Ultimately, it sunk in that staying with Sony would not address the biggest objection of still having to carry those (rather) big lenses.

As such, I picked- up a used Oly PL2 with kit lens and rented the Panasonic 20mm F1.7 for a week... And was sold on the M4/3 concept with a good pancake lens. I was very pleased with the results of iAuto (colors, exposure, focus, etc.).

Last week I started playing with the older Minolta MF lenses to get delicious bokeh (sometimes missed with Oly/Pan M4/3 lenses). Bokeh is great with MF lenses, but again the package becomes big and cumbersome...

After about 3 weeks of using the Olympus PEN E-PL2, I have no regret NOT selecting the Sony NEX 5N or 7. I'm quite happy with the size vs. results M4/3 can deliver and even consider getting rid of most of my APS-C SONY gear (bodies and lenses) to further invest in the M4/3 system...

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I never thought Id ask this but: Why are SONY NEX lenses so huge even though it only has a APS sensor?

Leica M8 and M9 have larger and much larger sensors yet they have some of the smallest and arguably the best lenses around. How is it that sony can't do this?

Seriously. The NEX is a P&S camera with no flash hotshoe, no in-body IS, poor controls and large but slow lenses. Every time I try to shoot with the Sony NEX's, it gives the bloody heebie jeebies. I'm frankly surprised about the good rating in the site's review. It's quite apparent, that for anyone that is even a bit enthusiastic about photography, there are much better alternatives, even though for pure P&S types the NEX is probably allright. I see absolutely no reason for anyone to dump their MFT gear for such a camera. There is much much more to photography than just the sensor.

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Arn said:

Seriously. The NEX is a P&S camera with no flash hotshoe, no in-body IS, poor controls and large but slow lenses. Every time I try to shoot with the Sony NEX's, it gives the bloody heebie jeebies. I'm frankly surprised about the good rating in the site's review. It's quite apparent, that for anyone that is even a bit enthusiastic about photography, there are much better alternatives, even though for pure P&S types the NEX is probably allright. I see absolutely no reason for anyone to dump their MFT gear for such a camera. There is much much more to photography than just the sensor.

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Seems to me like he was just asking for the pros and cons. Not to sure where the need to insult him came from.

For starters, Leica lenses are manual focus with no image stabilization.

I'm not really sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape about the Sony kit lens.....

Sony Kit Lens
Weight 214 g (0.47 lb)
Diameter 62 mm (2.44")
Length 60 mm (2.36")

Panasonic Kit lens
Weight 165 g (0.36 lb)
Diameter 61 mm (2.39")
Length 64 mm (2.50")

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Arn said:

Seriously. The NEX is a P&S camera with no flash hotshoe, no in-body IS, poor controls and large but slow lenses. Every time I try to shoot with the Sony NEX's, it gives the bloody heebie jeebies. I'm frankly surprised about the good rating in the site's review. It's quite apparent, that for anyone that is even a bit enthusiastic about photography, there are much better alternatives, even though for pure P&S types the NEX is probably allright. I see absolutely no reason for anyone to dump their MFT gear for such a camera. There is much much more to photography than just the sensor.

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Seems to me like he was just asking for the pros and cons. Not to sure where the need to insult him came from.

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It's not an insult. I'm just stating that it's dumb to suggest that anyone would dump their MFT gear for the NEX-5n and that it would blow away the MFT cameras. I also gave a list of cons. Pros is the S/N ratio of the sensor of the 5n.

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Moreover looking at the samples, what i see is NR. The pixel quality is about the same and the lens is a let down with soft corners and stuff. Also notice what seemed like ghosting in one image.

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Len_Gee said:

So, are you going to switch from Oly or Panny to the NEX 5N.

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Why would I want to?

My E-PL1 stills works and delivers images that I like. When it dies then maybe I'll look around at the market again, but I suspect it will be Olympus again as I like their results and I like their cameras. Plus I already have a bunch of M4/3 lenses that I like.

For me the NEX cameras look like some sort of bad joke, the one I looked at (NEX early days) had too small a body and too huge a lens. Really odd to handle. And what the heck is that non standard hot-shoe arrangement? That's cripple factor number one.

Regards.......... Guy

... it looks like a fine camera. The sensor IQ looks quite good. However, I prefer the SLR style and much lower price of my G2.

Got one for my wife...she is enjoying it...I am not blown away by the NEX5N...impressed in some aspects, but not impressed in others...it's a good walk around tourist camera and good for indoors in "good" lighting so it can shoot high ISO without flash...IF it doesn't have good indoor light to shoot high ISO then the photos are poor quality at best...With the 25mm 1.4 or 12mm 2.0 I can shoot anything my wife can and usually better...

The NEX-7 is another story with a great UI, if it turns out good IQ then it will be a great camera to own...

For travel the EP Series and G Series is hard to beat although the NEX5N fits in the same Hip Holster so they are all great walk around cameras...EP Series, G Series, NEX5 series...

The EP3 & 14-150 being the favorite with one small prime that fits in the pocket...it's just more versatile has IBIS and good IQ...
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Still lacking...

1. A flash shoe or decent flash. The included flash is a joke. The lack of an available remote flash option wouldn't have been a big deal 8 years ago but makes zero sense now.

2. The Oly still has the advantage of in body image stabilization. This makes the Oly the better choice still for users of legacy lenses as the stabilization is effective enough to kill the advantage the Sony has of a cleaner high ISO.
3. Olympus still offers more customization of camera operation.

Just on the basis of 2 I would choose an Olympus. Just on the basis of 3 I would choose Olympus. If I was still using a camera to make money with I would consider 1 the real deal killer for a switch to the Sony.
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Evaluating the camera on the sole basis of the DPReview, this camera scores ...79!

This makes it a camera equal to the GH2! So it is logical since a Sony camera now equals an m4/3 camera, to sell all m4/3 equipment and swap.

....Of course....if a future m4/3 camera again also scores 79, I would have to sell all the sony gear and swap back, so this could get quite expensive.....

and....the camera scores the equal of the Gh2....but are the lenses the equal?

hmm....maybe i will wait