Can someone explain to me the Sony hype

Personally, I think the SLT technology is just a stop gap until true on-sensor PDAF can be perfected. Then the 'translucent' mirror will disappear and we will have true mirrorless cameras.
Agree
The NEX cameras are a different story in that they are already mirrorless. The NEX-7 is the first 'mirrorless' camera that truely challenges the Leica style rangerfinder type of camera. This camera IS revolutionary. The Nikon 1 looks lame by comparison (as does the Pentax Q)
But the Nikon V has on sensor PDAF that makes it revolutionary. The NEX has performance, but nothing technologically revolutionary.

Odd that you'd think the camera that has the next generation focus technology is lame.

I guess you have a choice. Large sensor, small package, nothing else. Or small sensor, so so package, but revolutionary focusing and speed. Well, someday they'll put both together and then look out world, bye bye translucent mirror.
 
Sony makes the best sensors now but Nikon makes the best bodies with those sensors.
Very very true. I love Nikon ergonomics. I also hate Canon ergonomics, which is why I will not buy a Canon DSLR. I also know people who feel the exact opposite of me. Choice is good.
On the other hand, a camera is just an accessory to the lenses in your bag, and the sensor is just a part of that accessory. When Sony starts making bodies with an EOS mount, I will consider it. Until then - I will stick to Canon or Nikon because of their lens collections.
Actually, Sony have a pretty good selection of lenses, including some stellar Sony/Minolta 'G' and Carl Zeiss lenses. Remember that there are a lot of Minolta Alpha mount lenses available too.

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  • Rayna Butler
 
But the Nikon V has on sensor PDAF that makes it revolutionary. The NEX has performance, but nothing technologically revolutionary.
The NEX-7 brings everything together in one package. That makes it (sort of) revolutionary. More, I think it will be the effect it will have on other manufacturers, that will be the real revolution. Maybe now we will get to see more cameras aimed at the serious shooter and not so much at the p&s crowd (ie: GF2 and GF3)
Odd that you'd think the camera that has the next generation focus technology is lame.
I know about the on sensor PDAF of the Nikon 1, but the camera as a whole is still lame.

We will have to wait and see how well the PDAF works. Some years ago Fuji marketed a camera with on sensor PDAF, but it wasn't great.

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The greatest of mankind's criminals are those who delude themselves into thinking they have done 'the right thing.'
  • Rayna Butler
 
You'd do well to simply ignore hype. As long as you made youre purchase decision on your needs, your budget, and how the camera fits you ergonomically and functionally, you can't buy the wrong one. ALL of the brands in the DSLR/SLT world are excellent, and capable of making solid products with a wide range of styles and prices for everyone's needs...and not one of those brands has a single product that meets the needs and desires of every person out there.

Sony happens to be currently on the mouths of many, and has a lot of hype because they've released the most recent cameras and because of a few technical specs that make them talk-worthy. That same hype wagon has been ridden by Canon fans, Nikon fans, Pentax fans, Olympus fans...you name it. And every one of them has been overly biased and partially blinded due to their attraction to one particular brand or model. Sony makes an excellent and innovative camera. Canon and Nikon and Pentax also make excellent cameras, and each at some time has had an innovation or feature that for a brief time had them atop the gossip heap.

Don't listen to hype - not FOR Sony, or AGAINST it either - anyone who feels the need to put down other brands or is overly defensive about their own is someone who's bias and opinion will not be helpful to you. They don't have to be a bad person, just not someone to take advice from in certain decisions. Your friend seems like he has developed an interest in Sony's new products, and it may have caused him to doubt the abilities or values of other brands. Above, you've seen a few examples of folks who were equally biased against Sony, so you know it happens to all brands.

One thing matters above all else: Are you happy with your camera and can you shoot all the things you want to shoot with it? If yes, then your decision was sound.

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Justin
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Journalists are easy marks, because manufacturers will withdraw their advertising if they are not satisfied with the coverage they get, because journalists' egos are flattered by the opportunity to lead opinion, and because hype produces magazine sales or site visits as well as camera sales.
They are also easy marks because they are rarely photographers, and even more rarely well-informed about the technology.
 
The NEX cameras are a different story in that they are already mirrorless. The NEX-7 is the first 'mirrorless' camera that truely challenges the Leica style rangerfinder type of camera. This camera IS revolutionary. The Nikon 1 looks lame by comparison (as does the Pentax Q)
But the Nikon V has on sensor PDAF that makes it revolutionary. The NEX has performance, but nothing technologically revolutionary.

Odd that you'd think the camera that has the next generation focus technology is lame.
Too bad Nikon put that "revolutionary" focus technology on such a tiny sensor. The problem with this decision is that the so-called "revolutionary...next generation focus technology" won't be so "revolutionary" or "next generation" in a year or so. But the Nikon 1 sensor will always be small. Hence, it's "lame".
 
The NEX cameras are a different story in that they are already mirrorless. The NEX-7 is the first 'mirrorless' camera that truely challenges the Leica style rangerfinder type of camera. This camera IS revolutionary. The Nikon 1 looks lame by comparison (as does the Pentax Q)
But the Nikon V has on sensor PDAF that makes it revolutionary. The NEX has performance, but nothing technologically revolutionary.

Odd that you'd think the camera that has the next generation focus technology is lame.
Too bad Nikon put that "revolutionary" focus technology on such a tiny sensor. The problem with this decision is that the so-called "revolutionary...next generation focus technology" won't be so "revolutionary" or "next generation" in a year or so. But the Nikon 1 sensor will always be small. Hence, it's "lame".
I also wonder how much the focus system will be helped by the increased DOF of the small sensor? It might be as large a sensor as Nikon was willing to risk. Large DOF could mask the limitations of the system. I guess if you want to say that the new Nikon is revolutionary based on the focus system, one might argue that putting a digital sensor behind a pin hole camera would be most revolutionary?
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How long ago did you buy the 50D? If the purchase date was recent, you can still return the camera.

Sony is attracting a lot of attention because they have put many advancements into their products. As Horshack pointed out in a post above, the photo industry is accustomed to a slower pace. Having many wanted features implemented in such a short period is out of the ordinary.

If Sony continues their accelerated pace, they could become the #2 camera maker. They will always follow Nikon, but it is still amazing to see how much progress Sony has made in a short period. A few years from now you might no longer read complaints regarding lens selection and other issues that currently matter to some photographers.
 
How long ago did you buy the 50D? If the purchase date was recent, you can still return the camera.
This is both amusing and offensive. The original poster indicated that he liked the camera. Do you have any reason why he should return it other than that it's not a Sony? The 50D is a very good crop body camera. Perhaps you should return your camera, should you own one, and get a 50D.
Sony is attracting a lot of attention because they have put many advancements into their products. As Horshack pointed out in a post above, the photo industry is accustomed to a slower pace. Having many wanted features implemented in such a short period is out of the ordinary.

If Sony continues their accelerated pace, they could become the #2 camera maker. They will always follow Nikon, but it is still amazing to see how much progress Sony has made in a short period. A few years from now you might no longer read complaints regarding lens selection and other issues that currently matter to some photographers.
Ah, so you are implying that such complaints are valid today, which is when the O.P. is using his camera. Are you suggesting that he just tough it out for "a few years" until Sony gets up to par with Canon?

Please generate more sensible responses. Yours are not even good fanboyism.
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Leonard Migliore
 
Excuse me, Mr. Know It All, but my post was NOT a fanboy post.

Your insensible response is based on a rush to judgement instead of a carefully worded post like mine.

If a customer is unhappy with an item, the product should be returned. It doesn't matter whom manufactured it.

Stop your crying, Leonard Migiore. If you can't get along, then leave the forum. We don't need your whining and Canon fanboyisms.

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How long ago did you buy the 50D? If the purchase date was recent, you can still return the camera.
This is both amusing and offensive. The original poster indicated that he liked the camera. Do you have any reason why he should return it other than that it's not a Sony? The 50D is a very good crop body camera. Perhaps you should return your camera, should you own one, and get a 50D.
Sony is attracting a lot of attention because they have put many advancements into their products. As Horshack pointed out in a post above, the photo industry is accustomed to a slower pace. Having many wanted features implemented in such a short period is out of the ordinary.

If Sony continues their accelerated pace, they could become the #2 camera maker. They will always follow Nikon, but it is still amazing to see how much progress Sony has made in a short period. A few years from now you might no longer read complaints regarding lens selection and other issues that currently matter to some photographers.
Ah, so you are implying that such complaints are valid today, which is when the O.P. is using his camera. Are you suggesting that he just tough it out for "a few years" until Sony gets up to par with Canon?

Please generate more sensible responses. Yours are not even good fanboyism.
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Leonard Migliore
 
There are pluses and minuses to Sony just as there are pluses and minuses to every other brand.

If you like the 50D, it will undoubtedly treat you very well. It's a completely capable camera.

Hopefully you weighed the goods and bads of every brand in respect to the photography that you do and made your decision on that.

Enjoy your camera, take some pictures, and ignore fanboys like your "friend".
  • Ryan (Sony owner)
 
Excuse me, Mr. Know It All, but my post was NOT a fanboy post.

Your insensible response is based on a rush to judgement instead of a carefully worded post like mine.

If a customer is unhappy with an item, the product should be returned. It doesn't matter whom manufactured it.
Yours was not a fanboy post? Smells like one to me. Your post was "carefully worded?" I think not. OP wrote, "I just bought my first SLR, a Canon 50D ( I love it by the way )" and "more and more people seem to be joining the Sony bandwagon, but I just don't get it ," and your reply to that is to suggest that the OP may still have time to return his camera.
 
Excuse me, Mr. Know It All, but my post was NOT a fanboy post.
It wasn't? Recommending that someone get rid of a camera that they like isn't a fanboy post? You didn't even give a reason.
Your insensible response is based on a rush to judgement instead of a carefully worded post like mine.
I was not insensible at the time. I can't post when I'm insensible.
If a customer is unhappy with an item, the product should be returned. It doesn't matter whom manufactured it.
Agreed. The O.P. specifically noted that he was happy. It doesn't matter that you're unhappy.
Stop your crying, Leonard Migiore. If you can't get along, then leave the forum. We don't need your whining and Canon fanboyisms.
What do you mean "we", Sony fanboy? If you don't like my responses, don't read them.

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Leonard Migliore
 
Which will make what you buy obsolete even quicker.

Brian
Sony is hyper-innovating in an industry that is accustomed to a slower, more staid iterative innovation approach. Many are excited about the products and features Sony has brought to the market and about what they have in store for the future. I'm excited about how Sony's products will propel other camera makes to hasten the pace of their own innovation.
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These posts have brought up some good discussions and i just saw this question from another forum, but what is it that makes people choose the brands that they have. Why do you guys use Canon, Nikon, Sony?
 
I use Nikon digital cameras because they fit my hands better (but I used - still use - a Canon film camera for the same reason), because Nikons are all black and because I could not live with the humiliation of owning a camera called a Digital Kiss.

I think "innovation" and "revolutionary" are being over-used here. Fast AF, and full-time phase-detect during video are not revolutionary, or even innovation. Oscar Barnack's invention of roll film and the desk-top computer (ie, digital processing, not so-called digital sensors) are the only revolutionary developments in photography since dry plates. The system camera, TTL metering, AF, and digital cameras were true innovations: everything else is obvious development.
 
These posts have brought up some good discussions and i just saw this question from another forum, but what is it that makes people choose the brands that they have. Why do you guys use Canon, Nikon, Sony?
I invested in Canon because when I bought my first DSLR (10D) in May of 2003, Canon was king of the hill for low high-ISO noise.

Canon has now been trumped by Sony sensors for high ISO noise, not only with slightly less noise overall, but an almost total absence of pattern noise, such as line noise (banding). Sony sensors are even more superior at low-ISO DR, with much less noise in the shadows, and much more aesthetic noise at that. Pentax and Nikon tend to implement Sony sensors better than Sony, though.

I enjoy many of the lenses I have with a Canon mount, otherwise I might have already moved to another platform. I hope Canon comes to their senses and starts caring about the quality of their sensors and readout electronics, and exposure flexibility.

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all the pros shoot nikon & canon. maybe the friend of a friend knows something that none of the pros know?
That does not mean that the Canon or Nikon cameras are better. There are other considerations, that do not apply to those who are just starting out in the photogrpahy:

1. Pros have already invested big money into their lenses, flashes, and other accessories that are not normally compatible between different brands. Most amateurs, and especially those who are buying their first SLR do not have this overhead for trying a different brand.

2. Pros need a widespread and reliable support network. Canon and Nikon can provide immediate replacements in most places in the world. Those who are not working on assignment do not have such limitation.

So even if everybody agreed that A77 is best camera in the world it is extremely unlikely that pros would go through the trouble of switching thousands or tens of thousands dollars of equipment when the Canikon may not be currently the best, but completely adequate system.

Vlad
 
Just to fill the trifecta for you (since you have a Nikon and a Canon response so far!), I chose Sony because I wanted a DSLR with optical finder, but also wanted live view capability - and Sony's live view implementation remains unique allowing it to be used for normal, fast shooting with full phase-detect AF. I first bought into the A300 for just that feature, then moved up to the A550 and now the A580 because they've remained the only to offer this capability on a DSLR, while the sensors have improved a great deal since that first A300 of mine. I do find the Sony sensors right now to be a great mix of high ISO and dynamic range, whether in Sony, Nikon, or Pentax bodies. And ergonomically, Pentax entry-level bodies are too small, Canon entry levels have grips that are uncomfortable to me, and Nikon entry levels lack the in-body motor which costs it AF on some good, cheap lenses. Sony fits me size-wise, ergonomically, I like the in-body stabilization, and the weight, and their upper entry DSLR cameras are a comparative bargain since most of their sales push goes to the SLTs.

I haven't decided whether EVFs are something I'd want to or prefer to use, or if they've improved enough to start using for birding and wildlife tracking...so I'm not committed yet to the new Sony models or the rumors of mirrorless pro cameras that may or may not be the future. But my brand decision comes strictly based on needs, wants, and feel - I have no previous Minolta heritage, and own virtually no other Sony products...they just happen to make the types of DSLR cameras with the features I want/need the most. I'd always choose a camera based on its ability to meet my needs the best - if that's a different brand, I'd switch over. Having some lenses built up of course makes me hope Sony contiues to offer something interesting and usable to me, but if I was faced with having to switch mounts and build all new lenses versus sticking with my lenses and getting a camera I disliked or that couldn't meet my needs, I'd go with the former every time.

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all the pros shoot nikon & canon. maybe the friend of a friend knows something that none of the pros know?
That does not mean that the Canon or Nikon cameras are better. There are other considerations, that do not apply to those who are just starting out in the photogrpahy:

1. Pros have already invested big money into their lenses, flashes, and other accessories that are not normally compatible between different brands. Most amateurs, and especially those who are buying their first SLR do not have this overhead for trying a different brand.
OTOH, beginners will discover later that they have no upgrade path with Sony. No pro cameras, only one fast telephoto prime (300/2.8), no T/S lenses, no fast or macro 200mm primes, no 14mm prime, and fewer third party lens options. Minolta lenses can be very good, but they're old and overpriced, and if they break you will be in a bad place when it comes time to repair them.
2. Pros need a widespread and reliable support network. Canon and Nikon can provide immediate replacements in most places in the world. Those who are not working on assignment do not have such limitation.
Canon and Nikon users can also rent lenses in every major city, and that's not often available for Sony users.
So even if everybody agreed that A77 is best camera in the world
They won't and it's not even close.
it is extremely unlikely that pros would go through the trouble of switching thousands or tens of thousands dollars of equipment when the Canikon may not be currently the best, but completely adequate system.
The generally adequate system here is Sony's system. Nikon and Canon have complete systems which are more than adequate, and in most ways better than Sony's system.
 

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