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Nikon J1 review... A really really expensive Cookpix?

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I don't think those photos look like they came from a point-and-shoot. But I love the reviewers that take snapshots in harsh, contrasty noon day light, and expect the photos to look like they were shot with a Hasselblad, just because the camera has a larger sensor. I don't care what camera it is, if you spray and pray on green mode in harsh light, the photos are gonna be bad. These looked fine, in spite of that, even though their small size made them fairly useless.

These look better:
http://dpnow.com/8301.html
 
The only significant point in that review is that the price of the J1 is too high. I think their wish to see it go for $499 + 2 lens is unrealistic (the same cost as an Olympus XZ-1) but $549-599 would have been easier to swallow.

As for the white J1, I think it looks pretty good. I'm sure black would be more discreet but to be honest anything that makes the camera look as different as possible from an SLR is probably a good thing. Nobody is going to look like a terrorist or creeper using a little white camera.
 
"we found a camera that did quite well when shooting under a bright sun, but often had trouble selecting the correct white balance, exposing and focusing in dim light."

This sound like the same issues the P7000 had. I guess the PDAF only helps in good light where it is needed the least. The sensor is not the problem here but a lack of dedication to improve their compact class of cameras. We are now seeing it in these $650-900 cameras. I wonder how far Nikon can ride on name alone.
pinnacle point said:
From engadget (grain of salt for everyone)..

"Sadly, many of the photos we shot looked like they came from a Nikon point-and-shoot -- perhaps even a pricey superzoom -- not a mid-range interchangeable lens camera."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/03/nikon-1-j1-review-video/
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SHood wrote:
I guess

Got that part right, anyway.
 
SHood said:
"we found a camera that did quite well when shooting under a bright sun, but often had trouble selecting the correct white balance, exposing and focusing in dim light."

This sound like the same issues the P7000 had. I guess the PDAF only helps in good light where it is needed the least. The sensor is not the problem here but a lack of dedication to improve their compact class of cameras. We are now seeing it in these $650-900 cameras. I wonder how far Nikon can ride on name alone.
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Many cameras costing 3 X's the V1 have trouble with WB, or focusing in dim light. As for "exposing", I'm not even sure what that means (?). Metering? Making a quality exposure? I find it hard to believe that any Nikon SLR-type camera with Matrix Metering has any trouble at all get a good exposure. And sorry, but Engadget it not the first name in camera reviews. You want to know if the new iPad 2 is good? OK. An SLR? I wait for DPReview, or ImagingResource.
 
Actually nikon already confirmed that the Nikon 1 switched to CDAF in lower contrast situations so I shouldn't have said 'guess'. :)
sandy b said:
SHood wrote:
I guess

Got that part right, anyway.
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The problem is that Nikon is gearing this towards the P&S consumers so the Auto mode needs to get the basics right. This type of consumer will not be going into the menu to change these setting or use RAW for that matter.
marike6 said:
SHood said:
"we found a camera that did quite well when shooting under a bright sun, but often had trouble selecting the correct white balance, exposing and focusing in dim light."

This sound like the same issues the P7000 had. I guess the PDAF only helps in good light where it is needed the least. The sensor is not the problem here but a lack of dedication to improve their compact class of cameras. We are now seeing it in these $650-900 cameras. I wonder how far Nikon can ride on name alone.
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Many cameras costing 3 X's the V1 have trouble with WB, or focusing in dim light. As for "exposing", I'm not even sure what that means (?). Metering? Making a quality exposure? I find it hard to believe that any Nikon SLR-type camera with Matrix Metering has any trouble at all get a good exposure. And sorry, but Engadget it not the first name in camera reviews. You want to know if the new iPad 2 is good? OK. An SLR? I wait for DPReview, or ImagingResource.
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I agree with SHood's - the auto mode has to get it right. This was the entire point of the N1 (specifically the J1). Just look at the new commercial (and the long N1 threads here) - it's targeted at people who supposedly do not really care about fiddling with PASM (or else Nikon would have placed this on the dial) and just want to point & shoot. The Endgadget test will be typical of how the J1 will be used. For it's target, those bad pics will still be an improvement, right?
 
marike6 said:
SHood said:
"we found a camera that did quite well when shooting under a bright sun, but often had trouble selecting the correct white balance, exposing and focusing in dim light."

This sound like the same issues the P7000 had. I guess the PDAF only helps in good light where it is needed the least. The sensor is not the problem here but a lack of dedication to improve their compact class of cameras. We are now seeing it in these $650-900 cameras. I wonder how far Nikon can ride on name alone.
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This sound like the same issues the fuji X100 had. We are seeing it in that $1200-1400 camera. There we call it loveable quirkiness.
 
The problem is the P&S crowd is not the target market of X100, but it is the target market of J1.

Many people who own X100 don't mind to post-process picture or to learn how to use X100. However, I don't think P&S crowd is preparing to do this.
lolopasstrail said:
lolopasstrail said:
SHood said:
"we found a camera that did quite well when shooting under a bright sun, but often had trouble selecting the correct white balance, exposing and focusing in dim light."

This sound like the same issues the P7000 had. I guess the PDAF only helps in good light where it is needed the least. The sensor is not the problem here but a lack of dedication to improve their compact class of cameras. We are now seeing it in these $650-900 cameras. I wonder how far Nikon can ride on name alone.
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This sound like the same issues the fuji X100 had. We are seeing it in that $1200-1400 camera. There we call it loveable quirkiness.
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The cooked pix title is hilarious LOL.

Or did you mean c(r)ookedpix.

perry
 
Just what I thought. What a waste of Nikon"s time and engineering team. High price +point and shoot image quality. I can see a bunch of Nikon Fan boys buying it but what a waste. I can see this selling well in Japan which is the market it was intended for. Anyone who wastes money on this over the sony models or even olympus models should have their heads checked. although it is fun to watch people on this forum try and justify this horrible mistake. And no i am not a "troll" I use nikon cameras and love them (look at my profile). This camera makes me laugh and just shows how a bunch of old japanese business men can be so of touch.
 
The argument for a smaller sensor is because of smaller lenses. But it seems not to be case (at least when compared with m43).
If size is a concern, Pentax Q seems to be the one.
pinnacle point said:
From engadget (grain of salt for everyone)..

"Sadly, many of the photos we shot looked like they came from a Nikon point-and-shoot -- perhaps even a pricey superzoom -- not a mid-range interchangeable lens camera."
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/03/nikon-1-j1-review-video/
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kwtse said:
The argument for a smaller sensor is because of smaller lenses. But it seems not to be case (at least when compared with m43).
If size is a concern, Pentax Q seems to be the one.
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I love the Pentax Q, and can't wait to get one. A nice fast 50 mm lens or a fisheye lens costing $129 on the beautiful metal body wrapped in a soft leatherette. What's not to like? Sadly, the Pentax Talk forum is completely void of any excitement at all. They have the awesome K5, and the super fun Q - not wiz-bang bodies, but real photographic tools - and sometimes days will go by without any new posts.

It's cool that the Nikon 1 got it's own forum, and for sure, it's never dead around here. Exciting times...
 
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