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mike_2008 said:
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mike_2008 said:
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DMillier said:
Still a slippery slope. I'm a Sigma owner but I'm realistic about the equipment. Realistic means troll to many hysterical fans.
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The rules are clearly laid out: point out the problems where they exist and where you have real evidence once , don't keep on carping about it. This place would be infinitely calmer if they wasn't incessant trolling and bashing.

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Advocating one man one vote one time is not what the rules state. Your implying this is the case does not make it true and neither does repeating the assertion.
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I think ii would be exaggerated to enforce this rigidly, but it does actually say

"No Bashing - Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product or company will get you banned. If you have a complaint or comment to make then make it once and make sure you have facts to support it. "

Perhaps Im missing your point. Once is, once. Doesn't seem very ambiguous.

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It is interesting to see who is getting nervous about the idea that perhaps they might get banned for bashing...

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To you, and certain others on this forum, discussion is bashing, if in YOUR opinion it casts Sony products or features in an unfavorable light.

Fortunately, the owners of the forum don't seem to agree with you.
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Theres no question that the bashing rule has been utilised with a very light touch, but if Im not mistaken your a new login for jimb100 after the jimb100 account got banned for bashing, so that do use it on occasion. Correct me if im wrong...

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I'll correct you, since you are wrong.

I've never been banned. You can take that up with DPR.

Frankly, the only time I've seen the banning rule applied is in the case of personal attacks.

That's why I'm amazed you've been able to post under the same name for so long.
 
mike_2008 said:
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt?
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Walt acted like a child in his anti EVF crusade. It was really boring, specially taking into account that a significant number of his OVF posts were off topic. However, I was born in a country were there was no freedom of speech for forty years, so I strongly believe Walt -like everyone else- has the right to express his opinions as often as he wants. The rest of us should be mature enough to ignore the posts which do not add anything to the discussion and move on.

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Jaume J said:
mike_2008 said:
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt?
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Walt acted like a child in his anti EVF crusade. It was really boring, specially taking into account that a significant number of his OVF posts were off topic. However, I was born in a country were there was no freedom of speech for forty years, so I strongly believe Walt -like everyone else- has the right to express his opinions as often as he wants. The rest of us should be mature enough to ignore the posts which do not add anything to the discussion and move on.
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Your analogy is good. When children misbehave they have to be told that there are rules to follow... And in the long run they become well adjusted adults.

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We definitely need more law around here! :)

To control spam once a week whoever has the most posts in the forum shall be banned for one week.
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The biggest problem facing this forum, and all brand specific forums, be they cameras, cars, computers, washing machines, is paid shills.

Who really believes that with so much money involved, companies would allow open discussion (open criticizm) on public forums where potential buyers ask questions about what to buy?

Some might remember Sony tried to get pro photogs to post here and answer questions and discuss their work. They didn't last long as it was soon pointed out by many that their answers were tainted by the fact they were compensated.

Today, we have a few who rush to the defense whenever the hint of criticizm appears.

That, of course, brings out those who have way to much of their own self worth tied up in a brand name.

The result is that many of the knowlegeable poster leave and don't come back.

Are "fanboys" only fanboys, or something else? I don't know for a fact but logic tells me that when so much money is at stake, corporations will find a way to unbalance the playing field.

Which suits the brand as the forum becomes a place where potential buyers can come to ask questions and get positive spin answers and new products can get pre-announced to encourage users needing new equipment to wait rather than move on.

All this puts the forum owners in a tough position as they are selling views to their advertisers and no one wants to waste time reading biased comments from paid shills.
 
mike_2008 said:
Jaume J said:
mike_2008 said:
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt?
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Walt acted like a child in his anti EVF crusade. It was really boring, specially taking into account that a significant number of his OVF posts were off topic. However, I was born in a country were there was no freedom of speech for forty years, so I strongly believe Walt -like everyone else- has the right to express his opinions as often as he wants. The rest of us should be mature enough to ignore the posts which do not add anything to the discussion and move on.
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Your analogy is good. When children misbehave they have to be told that there are rules to follow... And in the long run they become well adjusted adults.

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Rules are also boring. Frankly, if all the posts followed all the rules all the time, I probably would visit this site much less often ;)

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Michael Foran said:
It appears to me that the majority of the problems with this forum come from people debating which camera platform is the best. It's pretty much how the Mac/PC debates would degrade any computer based forums back a few years. I am not saying that this discussion is invalid, but it tends to overtake pretty much every discussion at some point. You end up not being able to talk about anything else as every topic eventually becomes a platform war.

Case in point: I just asked whether the A77 would support tethered shooting. After one or two helpful replies of, no, not at this time, someone posts how that's why no one should ever buy Sony, and the rest of the posts were people going back and forth with stupid, bitchy platform superiority posts.
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The number of posts should be reduced from the 150 maximum, as you have pointed out, too many threads deviate from the original question as they get 'hijacked' by people with an agenda.
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So that is where I think the moderator should draw the line. This forum should be devoted to discussion of Sony cameras. Period. Not how well Sony cameras compare to Canons or Nikons or Olympus etc. Create a new forum devoted entirely to platform compaisons and let people duke it out in there. Warn anyone posting platform comparisons in this forum that their posts will be removed and they will be banned if they can't move the topic to the proper forum.
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Now you're going to get Dennis Mullen upset, as he has his O/T landscape threads, where you don't even have to use a Sony camera, much less a Sony DSLR, to post a picture. :)

Too many people are too lazy to properly post their threads in the correct forums. They just post in the forum that matches the brand of camera they have, rather than going trough the list of forums and finding the proper forum. Or, if they did, they probably found that other people were too lazy to look at the other forums, preferring to just look at the forum that matches the brand of camera they have.
 
The_Wicker_Man said:
... when a complaint is lodged - on any other site, even if no action is considered necessary by the moderators, a response is provided to that effect. with dpr we don't know if the complaint has even been read

and to actually enforce their own rules. rules which are not enforced may as well be removed
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I agree with you on this. I've complained about several times, and nothing happened, even when there was a clear violation of the rules. So I have no idea if the complaint was read, or the reason the rules were not enforced.

Perhaps they (Dpreview) just gave up on this forum, as it is so different from the other forums, even the Sony NEX Talk forum. They figure no one is going to get killed by a heated argument, so why bother. Especially if a person gets banished from the forum, but then that person just establishes a new profile and starts posting again.
 
Well, the first job of the new moderator ought to be deleting your posts and placing you on forum probation. And, if you are serious with this wish list of yours your problems go far deeper than a stint in the corner here in the forum can address.
gil said:
To me, the moderator should have the power to delete posts in the following cases:

1. Posts that are not gear related.
2. Posts that are speculations and not based on facts.
3. Posts that are based on facts but not understandable by many.

4. Posts that are gear-related but containing good images (discriminatory for those not capable of taking good images).

5. Posts that are gear-related but containing bad pics (discriminatory for those capable of taking good images).
6. Posts that links to other sites (DPreview need to have a captive audience).

7. Posts that contain hi-end gears (discriminatory for those who can't afford ones).

8. Posts that are gear-related but for gears not yet in the market (discriminatory for those who can't beta test).
9. Posts that contain so-so gears (discriminatory for those having hi-end gears)
10. ......

Sh!t, if I go on, nothing can be posted anymore :). It is a tough job and I am withdrawing any thoughts of my candidacy. It is Friday here in sunny California and have a nice one to all.
gil
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Mike has played this game witin the rules, many on this forum question why you changed your sign on name from Jimb100
 
inFocus said:
... is the ability to ban users for one week at a time. That should cool down most hotheads.

Accusation of trolling; smack, one week ban.
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If all it takes is an "accusation" then this forum would be a very empty place. Smacks of 'McCarthyism' to me. If you're too young to know what 'McCarthyism' is, here's a link to Wikipedia-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
 
Sony finally coming out with a weather-resistant lens. I've been complaining about this for a long time. The last time, which was several months ago, I was heavily criticized for this, by the fan-boys. People who owned the Sony/Minolta 70-200 f/2.8 G, kept putting me down, even saying that a zoom lens could not be made weather-resistant, or that there was no standard for weather-resistance. They said that since I didn't own the lens I shouldn't even comment on this subject.

Now that Sony has finally released a lens that they claim has weather-resistance, I think I'm vindicated.

I think IMHO, that I should be congratulated for making Sony come out with a weather-resistant lens. It was hard work, and I was vilified by many, but I took the abuse by the Sony fan-boys, and persevered. :)
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dennismullen said:
mike_2008 said:
No, there isn't. Remember when Walt was incessantly bashing the slt? Any normal moderation would have limited these posts, and allowed his positive inputs to remain. Instead it produced a schism in the forum, because it was left unchecked for far too long, imo.
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I remember the two year fight to get crippled A-mode fixed on the A850/A900.
Do to much complaining, Sony finally fixed it.
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You're not really claiming that the constant nagging changed Sony, are you? If that were true, we would be reviewing the A701, A702, A703, A704... - TF
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gil - San Jose, CA
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Like happiness, photography is often better created than pursued.
 
As long as the moderator is not a fanboy and is broadminded enough to see that there are pros and cons to every system, also the moderator should not be too rigid in enforcing rules then its fine.
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